Obama on Immigration live

Does this guy ever take responsibility for anything? All he's done is blame blame blame. And surprise surprise....he'll side step congress again. His term could not end soon enough.

Pay fucking attention, Insanity

the Repugs failed all imm reform from 2001 to 2006, while in full control of govt

the Repugs have BLOCKED all imm reform since Jan 2009

Obama is to blame for Repugs blocking imm reform? GFY

You're just like your dear leader blame blame blame.

Any immigration policy is pointless if you don't have a secure border and don't enforce the policy.

Agree or disagree?

Step 1: secure the border
Step 2 Start a work visa program (not a citizenship program) for South American countries you have to go to your home country's US embassy to get

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Any immigration policy is pointless if you don't have a secure border and don't enforce the policy.

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Correct.

The only reform necessary is to kick all the illegals OUT, no questions asked, end of story....

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Any immigration policy is pointless if you don't have a secure border and don't enforce the policy.

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Why didn't you and Repugs WHINE and PISS about closing the border, why didn't y'all ACTUALLY DO IT, from 2001 to 2008?

How many $10Bs are you willing to spend to close the border that meets your requirements?

and how many $100Bs are you ready to spend it maintain such closure indefinitely?

The Repugs KNOW the border can't be sealed perfectly, so by delaying all imm reform until the unachievable is achieved, they're FUCKING LYING

Boutons, why the surge of illegals now? What is your plan? Try to not play the blame game with this next response, try to be different than your dear leader for once.

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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation

The only reform necessary is to kick all the illegals OUT, no questions asked, end of story....

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Notice how Boutons couldn't even respond to this truthbomb, tbh....

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

Boutons, why the surge of illegals now? What is your plan? Try to not play the blame game with this next response, try to be different than your dear leader for once.

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you're just ASKING to be bitch slapped. You man enough for it?

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

you're just ASKING to be bitch slapped. You man enough for it?

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still waiting....

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Any immigration policy is pointless if you don't have a secure border and don't enforce the policy.

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I think it is just the opposite. Get a sensible immigration policy that allows the migrant workers we need to come over legally first. Otherwise we'll spend lot's of resources trying to stop people who should be allowed to come over.

Didn't Obama have a Democratic Congress in 2009?

one of the things i noticed when i went to kickapoo casin were all the border patrol. i noticed all the trucks on the border were all f350. all of them. i understand u need those types of vehicles for heavy duty towing but damn. thats a 50-60K vehicle when a f140 4x4 would do just as fine.

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one of the things i noticed when i went to kickapoo casin were all the border patrol. i noticed all the trucks on the border were all f350. all of them. i understand u need those types of vehicles for heavy duty towing but damn. thats a 50-60K vehicle when a f140 4x4 would do just as fine.

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Some of them Mexicans are pretty damn heavy.

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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation

The only reform necessary is to kick all the illegals OUT, no questions asked, end of story....

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No, you also need to put people in jail for hiring them too.

Obama is always going to blame because he's never been a leader before his current gig and he's got a lot of daddy issues. Plus politicians in general hate accountability.

both parties have been terrible with immigration. I despised Bush's handling of it but Obama is even worse. This mass arrival of illegals seems planned and manipulated by the higher ups though. definitely something rotten in Denver.

I don't trust either party, especially with this issue. It will be interesting what unconstitutional shit Obama will pull, because I'm sensing serious frustration from the legit citizens. Cantor getting his shit pushed in is proof of this.

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both parties have been terrible with immigration. I despised Bush's handling of it but Obama is even worse. This mass arrival of illegals seems planned and manipulated by the higher ups though. definitely something rotten in Denver.

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Wacky conspiracy theories are always right....fact remains, Obama has repatriated more illegals than any President, Republican or Democrat, before him...if Government really wanted to get serious about immigration reform it would get tough on employers who hire the illegals and make sure there are enough visas to cover the agricultural seasonal workers....GOP likes the way things are now....it's CEO's get the fruit of cheap labor and they can manipulate their loyal FAUX News crowd into believing that this is an Obama/Democrat conspiracy theory...

Gheen: Immigrants 'May Smile At You As They Hand You Your Cheeseburger' But They Really Want 'You And Your Whole Family To Die'

Submitted by Miranda Blue on Monday, 6/30/2014 4:47 pm

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In an interview with the Tea Party News Network on Saturday, William Gheen of Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC) claimed that Mexican American immigrants “may smile at you as they serve you your cheeseburger or peruse across your law with a weed eater” but in reality they want “for you and your whole family to die.” Gheen claimed that Mexican schools teach students to hate America, so those who immigrate to the U.S. show “no type of mercy” to “anyone out there that’s not a flaming socialist, communist or liberal” and will vote Democratic, based on “racial identity” and “what they consider to be reparations.”

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- See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conten....PVFEPd6M.dpuf

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

Gheen: Immigrants 'May Smile At You As They Hand You Your Cheeseburger' But They Really Want 'You And Your Whole Family To Die'

Submitted by Miranda Blue on Monday, 6/30/2014 4:47 pm



- See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conten....PVFEPd6M.dpuf

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:lmao

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Originally Posted by HI-FI

Obama is always going to blame because he's never been a leader before his current gig and he's got a lot of daddy issues.

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:lol you right-wingers are reliably, amazingly stupid

daddy issues? psychobabble! :lol

Misassigning Blame for Immigration Crisis


What has been markedly different about the current surge is that it is coming from three Central American countries, not Mexico, and it largely involves unaccompanied children, not adult men looking for jobs.

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/2014/06/UAC-.jpg

At first, the administration blamed “rising levels of violence in Central America,” as it did in aJune 9 press release announcing that Fort Sill will be the third military base to house unaccompanied children who crossed the border illegally. There is evidence that supports that claim, based on interviews the New York Times did with those who illegally crossed the border. But the Times’ article showed the surge has been fueled by rumors about “permits.”

New York Times, June 16: While most men are held and processed quickly for deportation, border authorities struggling to manage the influx have been releasing pregnant women and parents with young children, allowing them to join family members living here and issuing them a deportation hearing notice. Migrants have sent word back home they received a “permit” to remain at least temporarily in the United States, feeding rumors along migrant routes and spurring others to embark on the long journey.

During the June 20 conference call with reporters, administration officials acknowledged that false rumors of “permits” were fueling the crisis, and they vowed to take action to counter the misinformation. The Times wrote:

New York Times, June 20: Until now, White House officials have insisted that extreme poverty and an epidemic of gang violence in those Central American countries were the main causes of the unanticipated spike in illegal migration.

But many migrants also told Border Patrol agents they decided to set out for the United States after hearing that it was offering some kind of entry permit. Many other migrants who asked for asylum after being apprehended have been allowed to stay temporarily, further fueling hopes that Central American women and children were receiving special treatment.

On a conference call with reporters, Cecilia Muñoz, director of the White House Domestic Policy Council, said the administration was moving to “push back” on “misinformation that is being deliberately planted by criminal organizations, by smuggling networks, about what people can expect if they come to the United States.”

The DACA policy was an executive action taken without congressional approval. It was implemented by the Department of Homeland Security on June 15, 2012 — about one yearbefore the Senate vote on amnesty. In a precursor to the DACA, the director of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement a year earlier — on June 17, 2011 — issued a memothat said immigration agents should use “prosecutorial discretion” when deciding whom to detain and deport. That policy — again taken without congressional approval — urged the deportation of those with criminal records before students, military veterans and others deemed to be low risk.

We don’t know how the rumors got started and whether the president’s actions or inactions are to blame.

But, even if you accept the Republican premise, it still does not follow that the president “created this crisis only after Lamar Alexander voted for amnesty.” There is no evidence of a causal relationship between a Senate immigration bill that never became law and a current surge of Central Americans crossing the Southwest border.

Correction, June 30: The original article misstated who would have been eligible to apply for provisional legal status and, ultimately, citizenship under the Border Security, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Modernization Act. The act would apply only to those who were living illegally in the U.S. before 2012.

http://www.factcheck.org/2014/06/mis...ration-crisis/

iow, if ANYTHING (bad) HAPPENS, Repugs' automatic tactic is to BLAME OBAMA, in parallel with OBSTRUCTING EVERYTHING THE DEMS PROPOSE.

This means that even if Obama/Dems do screw up (CC, etc can provide specifics! :lol ), the Little-Boy Repugs who have been Crying Wolf are 100% unbelievable (except for you stupid, duped right-wingers)

What’s the Reality?
In fact, desperate Central American parents are exploiting separate legal loopholes in American border security passed before Obama took office.

Unaccompanied minors fall under the bipartisan law, William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, which passed the House and Senate unanimously and was signed into law by President George W. Bush.

That law says the children cannot be sent back. They must instead be held humanely by the Department of Health and Human Services until the courts release them to a “suitable family member” in this country.

The child “shall be promptly placed in the least restrictive setting that is in the best interest of the child,” the law stipulates. “Placement of child trafficking victims may include placement in an Unaccompanied Refugee Minor program … if a suitable family member is not available to provide care.”

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) sources say more than 80 percent of these children will find permanent homes in the U.S., with either family or foster homes and not be sent back to Central America.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...-wave-u-s-law/

Why the surge in migrant children at border?

Why are so many children crossing now?

Gang violence in El Salvador and in urban areas of Guatemala has escalated dramatically in recent months since a weak truce among rival gangs has evaporated, said Elizabeth G. Kennedy, a Fulbright scholar reached Monday in San Salvador, the capital of El Salvador.

"Half of them are fleeing for their lives," she said.

Kennedy, investigating the causes of child migration, has interviewed more than 400 child migrants. For many, Kennedy said, "their decision is: Do I face possible death in migrating or sure death in staying?"

The gang violence "particularly affects youths," said Alison Ramirez, who works on a U.S.-funded violence-prevention project in El Salvador and who frequently visits Honduras and Guatemala.

"The gangs are in schools, neighborhoods. They're everywhere," she said. "Even if the kids don't want to be a part of it, they get caught up in the crossfire, extorted, threatened."

"The violence is one of the drivers in Honduras," said David Scott FitzGerald, associate director of the Center for Comparative Immigration Studies in California. "Just looking at the homicide rate, it has tripled in the last decade. It's the highest in the world for a country not at war."

Children from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador aren't just fleeing to the United States. Increasing numbers have been seeking asylum in Mexico, Costa Rica, Panama, Nicaragua and Belize, according to the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees. Kennedy and Ramirez agreed that most children who flee to the United States do so because they have family members here.

Can't the Border Patrol just stop them?

The short answer: No. While the U.S. government has spent more than $126 billion over the past nine years on border security and enforcement, much of the fencing and infrastructure was built in California, Arizona and western Texas, which were the major crossing areas over the past decade.

The Border Patrol has been moving increasing numbers of agents into the Rio Grande Valley Sector, but vast stretches of the river are easy to cross, and there is extensive vegetation along the banks that makes it easy to hide both before and after crossing.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...wers/10246771/

Agent Orange was mentioned to kill the riparian vegetation, like Carrizo cane (arundo donax).

Dramatic Surge in the Arrival of Unaccompanied Children Has Deep Roots and No Simple Solutions

, it is painfully clear that there are no simple solutions, whether in the short or medium term, to address the complex set of push and pull factors driving the rise in arrivals of unaccompanied alien children (UACs).

Ninety-eight percent of unaccompanied minors currently arriving at the border are from Honduras (28 percent), Mexico (25 percent), Guatemala (24 percent), and El Salvador (21 percent). This breakdown represents a significant shift: prior to 2012, more than 75 percent of UACs were from Mexico.

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites...e2014-Fig1.JPG

Why Is This Happening?

There are deep root causes for this child migration, and for the recent surge in arrivals. While there is consensus that there are significant push and pull factors at work, there is not agreement as to which are more important. And inevitably, the issue of unaccompanied child migration has become ensnared in the broader political fight over immigration reform.

In reality, there is no single cause. Instead, a confluence of different pull and push factors has contributed to the upsurge. Recent U.S. policies toward unaccompanied children, faltering economies and rising crime and gang activity in Central American countries, the desire for family reunification, and changing operations of smuggling networks have all converged.

There is some evidence of a growing perception among Central Americans that the U.S. government’s treatment of minors, as well as minors traveling in family units, has softened in recent years. These child-friendly policies in many ways directly flow from TVPRA. In addition to the screening and ORR transfer requirements described above, the law also requires the United States to ensure safe repatriation of minors and established standards for custody, created more child-friendly asylum procedures, and relaxed eligibility for SIJ visa status. Some also contend that minors are spurred to migrate by the false idea that they could benefit under the Obama administration’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, which offers a reprieve from deportation for certain young unauthorized immigrants who have lived in the United States since 2007.

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/artic...mple-solutions

If Obama deports these unaccompanied minors back, he will be breaking the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 law, and will be impeached by the Repugs! :lol

Yep.

Rumors about permits and amnesty open the flood gates.

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Yep.

Rumors about permits and amnesty open the flood gates.

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so why are ALL Y'ALL right-wingers blaming Obama personally for attracting "diseased" kids into USA?

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Wacky conspiracy theories are always right....fact remains, Obama has repatriated more illegals than any President, Republican or Democrat, before him...if Government really wanted to get serious about immigration reform it would get tough on employers who hire the illegals and make sure there are enough visas to cover the agricultural seasonal workers....GOP likes the way things are now....it's CEO's get the fruit of cheap labor and they can manipulate their loyal FAUX News crowd into believing that this is an Obama/Democrat conspiracy theory...

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Only on paper. He directed that they now count all illegals put back across the border. In the past those that were returned at the border were not counted.

About normal for Obama, skew the numbers.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...ore-immigrants

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so why are ALL Y'ALL right-wingers blaming Obama personally for attracting "diseased" kids into USA?

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It's democrats in general. they keep talking about amnesty, so people wand to get here before any deadlines are in place.

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It's democrats in general. they keep talking about amnesty, so people wand to get here before any deadlines are in place.

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no, the Dems talk about DREAM act, about imm reform, which the Repugs, racists, xenophobes, and "you people" slander as amnesty.

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still waiting....

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and waiting...

Has there ever been a President who's blamed the opposing party as much as Obama? Not once yesterday did he actually speak of any sort of plan to fix the immigration policy, not once. Blame, blame, blame.

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Has there ever been a President who's blamed the opposing party as much as Obama? Not once yesterday did he actually speak of any sort of plan to fix the immigration policy, not once. Blame, blame, blame.

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has there ever been a President who's been left with such a huge pile of shit by the previous administration?

(candidate: FDR )

Non-answer I see.


And I'm still waiting for your bitchslap solution to the immigration problem.

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Non-answer I see.


And I'm still waiting for your bitchslap solution to the immigration problem.

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was the PERFECT answer

the bitch slap is above

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was the PERFECT answer

the bitch slap is above

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You didn't answer what your solution to the immigration problem is. Spamming articles doesn't count, no one reads your bullshit. In your own words this time, your solution please...

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You didn't answer what your solution to the immigration problem is. Spamming articles doesn't count, no one reads your bullshit. In your own words this time, your solution please...

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The imm reform bill passed by the Senate, but REFUSED by the House Repugs, is an excellent starting point.

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no, the Dems talk about DREAM act, about imm reform, which the Repugs, racists, xenophobes, and "you people" slander as amnesty.

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I see you haven't read the legislation.

Keep letting Mother Earth, Common Dreams, etc. keep shoving more shit in your mouth. I don't really care. i do however find it amazing how ignorant you are.

Key provisions of the Senate bipartisan immigration bill


Path to Citizenship

The estimated 11 million people living in the U.S. illegally could obtain “registered provisional immigrant status” six months after enactment of the bill as long as certain requirements are met:

The Homeland Security Department must develop border security and fencing plans, per the specifications set out in the bill. (See Border Control, below.)

Undocumented immigrants must have arrived in the U.S. prior to Dec. 31, 2011, and maintained continuous physical presence since then.

Undocumented immigrants must have not had a felony conviction or three or more misdemeanors.

Upon payment of a $500 fine, the provisional legal status lasts six years and is renewable for another six years for $500.

People in provisional legal status could work and travel in the U.S. but would not be eligible for most federal benefits, including health care and welfare.

People deported for noncriminal reasons can apply to re-enter in provisional status if they have a spouse or child who is a U.S. citizen or permanent resident, or if they had been brought to the U.S. as a child.

After 10 years in provisional status, immigrants can seek a green card and lawful permanent resident status if they are current on their taxes and pay a $1,000 fine, have maintained continuous physical presence in the U.S., meet work requirements and learn English. Also the border triggers must have been met, and all people waiting to immigrate through the legal system as of the date of enactment of the legislation must have been dealt with.

People brought to the country as youths would be able to get green cards in five years, and citizenship immediately thereafter.

Border Control

Certain border security requirements must be achieved within 10 years before any undocumented immigrant can obtain a permanent resident green card. These include:

The number of Border Patrol agents stationed along the U.S.-Mexico border will be roughly doubled to at least 38,405.

Seven hundred miles of pedestrian fencing along the border must be completed, which will require approximately 350 new miles of fencing.

A host of new security measures and technologies in specified locations along the border will be installed. These include specific numbers of surveillance towers, camera systems, ground sensors, radiation detectors, mobile surveillance systems, drones, helicopters, airborne radar systems, planes and ships.

A system for all employers to verify electronically their workers’ legal status will be implemented.

A new electronic system to track people leaving the nation’s airports and seaports must be set up.

The border security improvements are designed to achieve 100 percent surveillance of the border with Mexico and ensure that 90 percent of would-be crossers are caught or turned back. If the goals of a 90 percent effectiveness rate and continuous surveillance on the border are not met within five years, a Southern Border Security Commission made up of border-state governors and others would determine how to achieve them.

Border security spending in the bill totals around $46 billion.

H-1B high-skilled visas

The cap on the H-1B visa program for high-skilled workers would be immediately raised from 65,000 a year to 110,000 a year, with 25,000 more set aside for people with advanced degrees in science, technology, engineering or math from a U.S. school. The cap could go as high as 180,000 a year depending on demand.

New protections would crack down on companies that use H-1B visas to train workers in the U.S. only to ship them back overseas.

Immigrants with certain extraordinary abilities, such as professors, researchers, multinational executives and athletes, would be exempted from existing green-card limits. So would graduates of U.S. universities with job offers and degrees in science, technology, engineering or math.

A startup visa would be made available to foreign entrepreneurs seeking to come to the U.S. to start a company.

A new merit visa, for a maximum of 250,000 people a year, would award points to prospective immigrants based on their education, employment, length of residence in the U.S. and other considerations. Those with the most points would earn the visas.

The bill would eliminate the government’s Diversity Visa Lottery Program, which randomly awards 55,000 visas to immigrants from countries with historically low rates of immigration to the United States, so that more visas can be awarded for employment and merit ties.

Guest worker “W-visa” program

A new W visa would allow up to 200,000 low-skilled workers a year into the country for jobs in construction, long-term care, hospitality and other industries.

A new agriculture worker visa program would be established to replace the existing program. Agriculture workers already here illegally, who’ve worked in the industry at least two years, could qualify in another five years for green cards if they stay in the industry.

Changes to family visa program

Under current law, U.S. citizens can sponsor spouses, children and siblings to come to the U.S., with limits on some categories. The bill would bar citizens from sponsoring their siblings and would allow them to sponsor married sons and daughters only if those children are under age 31.

Legal permanent residents can currently sponsor spouses and children, but the numbers are limited. The bill eliminates that limit.

Employment verification

Within four years, all employers must implement E-Verify, a program to verify electronically their workers’ legal status. As part of that, noncitizens would be required to show photo ID that must match with a photo in the E-Verify system. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...-bill-revised/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/provisions-in-senate-bipartisan-immigration-bill-revised/

unlike WC, I don't pretend to be lawyer, so the above summary is Good Enough. Of course, House tea baggin xenophobic Repugs won't even bring it up (really, they are simply permitting their Repug benefactors want: allow Repug employers to keep exploiting low wage labor, underpaying, not paying, stealing wages, etc, etc.)

We don't any new laws. Just enforcement of the laws we have on the books. Send the little brats back to their home countries and let them sort out who they belong to.

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no, the Dems talk about DREAM act, about imm reform, which the Repugs, racists, xenophobes, and "you people" slander as amnesty.

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How is letting 11+ million ILLEGAL aliens not a form of amnesty?

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We don't any new laws. Just enforcement of the laws we have on the books. Send the little brats back to their home countries and let them sort out who they belong to.

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Typical Democratic move. More laws!

Anyone who thinks anything is going to get done while this batshit stupid congress is in power are kidding themselves. The message on the wall has been loud and clear since Day 1 of the black guy taking office. The Republicans weren't going to do shit but play games and stonewall everything in attempt to take back power. A bunch of old dumbass white guys fucked the country and had it sinking like the Titanic right before they left office. Do you really think they were going to let a black guy or a woman like Hillary come in and get cooperation to fix this country and let a minority go down in history as the "hero" who saved the country? :lol Get the fuck outta here. Nothing was going to get done about jobs, healthcare, and especially immigration because the GOP knows the amnestied illegals wouldn't vote for a dumbass party that's been demagoguing them from the start. That's just giving a massive voting bloc to the Democrats.

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Anyone who thinks anything is going to get done while this batshit stupid congress is in power are kidding themselves. The message on the wall has been loud and clear since Day 1 of the black guy taking office. The Republicans weren't going to do shit but play games and stonewall everything in attempt to take back power. A bunch of old dumbass white guys fucked the country and had it sinking like the Titanic right before they left office. Do you really think they were going to let a black guy or a woman like Hillary come in and get cooperation to fix this country and let a minority go down in history as the "hero" who saved the country? :lol Get the fuck outta here. Nothing was going to get done about jobs, healthcare, and especially immigration because the GOP knows the amnestied illegals wouldn't vote for a dumbass party that's been demagoguing them from the start. That's just giving a massive voting bloc to the Democrats.

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You sound mad faggot. I support neither party but rather the third position and I can't wait to see the traitors on both sides executed mercilessly for their crimes.

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How is letting 11+ million ILLEGAL aliens not a form of amnesty?

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amnesty is a pardon, excused from all penalty, but all y'all xenophobic rednecks aint' very book smart about words.

Y'all fellers swallow the Repug/Fox propaganda like it was the Bible truth :lol And we all know the Bible is unchallengeable accurate scientific and history tome of truth, just like Repug politicians and Fox.

under the Senate bill, there are financial penalties, 10 years of waiting, and more penalties if unpaid income/SS taxes are discovered. iow, it's ain't "amnesty" except in your white-man's xenophobic imagination.

waiting? they're already right here

what's your race boutons? you like to operate out of the shadows, but i see you for what you are

nothing but a little shill BITCH

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amnesty is a pardon, excused from all penalty, but all y'all xenophobic rednecks aint' very book smart about words.

Y'all fellers swallow the Repug/Fox propaganda like it was the Bible truth :lol And we all know the Bible is unchallengeable accurate scientific and history tome of truth, just like Repug politicians and Fox.

under the Senate bill, there are financial penalties, 10 years of waiting, and more penalties if unpaid income/SS taxes are discovered. iow, it's ain't "amnesty" except in your white-man's xenophobic imagination.

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Then after those penalties, citizenship. Call them what they are, citizenship purchase fees, amnesty fees, etc. Just guaranteed democratic votes. I don't watch Fox. I'm not a Republican. My wife is from Central America. And, I'm educated and agnostic. A lot of your stereotypes are just deflection from the facts of the case.

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amnesty is a pardon, excused from all penalty, but all y'all xenophobic rednecks aint' very book smart about words.

Y'all fellers swallow the Repug/Fox propaganda like it was the Bible truth :lol And we all know the Bible is unchallengeable accurate scientific and history tome of truth, just like Repug politicians and Fox.

under the Senate bill, there are financial penalties, 10 years of waiting, and more penalties if unpaid income/SS taxes are discovered. iow, it's ain't "amnesty" except in your white-man's xenophobic imagination.

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so now I'm racist because I don't think people who came to this country ILLEGALLY should get citizenship for $500? A fucking littering fine costs more. And LOL at more penalties, they didn't enforce the current immigration laws on the books why in the fuck would they enforce more laws? It's amnesty and 11+ million more democratic votes. It's a fucking scam. Ship the ILLEGAL aliens back to where they're from. Secure the border like the Senate laid out, and tell them to to get in line like all other immigrants have done for years.

:lmao Wait, Boutons literally wants to reward criminals by selling them citizenship? How is that fair to the legal immigrants who busted their ass to do it the right way?

Stick to spamming articles, son, your own takes are retarded....

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:lmao Wait, Boutons literally wants to reward criminals by selling them citizenship? How is that fair to the legal immigrants who busted their ass to do it the right way?

Stick to spamming articles, son, your own takes are retarded....

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CN, the undoc adults go to the end of the line, behind the visa applicants.

legal immigrants don't bust their ass, they pay many $1000s to visa gatekeepers, called lawyers.

btw, the House-constipating tea bagging turds killing imm reform also killed H1B, etc visa quota expansion.

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so now I'm racist because I don't think people who came to this country ILLEGALLY should get citizenship for $500? A fucking littering fine costs more. And LOL at more penalties, they didn't enforce the current immigration laws on the books why in the fuck would they enforce more laws? It's amnesty and 11+ million more democratic votes. It's a fucking scam. Ship the ILLEGAL aliens back to where they're from. Secure the border like the Senate laid out, and tell them to to get in line like all other immigrants have done for years.

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they don't get citizenship, they get green cards, just like normal immigrants. it's all on this web page, go fucking read it.

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they don't get citizenship, they get green cards, just like normal immigrants. it's all on this web page, go fucking read it.

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Normal immigrants didn't commit crimes. It's clear you approve of rewarding criminals.

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unlike WC, I don't pretend to be lawyer, so the above summary is Good Enough. Of course, House tea baggin xenophobic Repugs won't even bring it up (really, they are simply permitting their Repug benefactors want: allow Repug employers to keep exploiting low wage labor, underpaying, not paying, stealing wages, etc, etc.)

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Like always, you allows others to tell you what to believe.

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

Typical Democratic move. More laws!

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No shit.

Just how many different laws do we need to cover the same thing?

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

Why didn't you and Repugs WHINE and PISS about closing the border, why didn't y'all ACTUALLY DO IT, from 2001 to 2008?

How many $10Bs are you willing to spend to close the border that meets your requirements?
and how many $100Bs are you ready to spend it maintain such closure indefinitely?

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what has this to do with 2014
fix the issue now quite blaming others and try to solve issue at hand
that is the problem with demacrats and republicans

secure the borders with guns that are loaded and shot to kill not injure and the boarders will be more secure but
this so called president watches nba every day and thinks borders are secure because they are in Washington dc but not on the borders

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Why the surge in migrant children at border?

Why are so many children crossing now?

Gang violence in El Salvador and in urban areas of Guatemala has escalated dramatically in recent months since a weak truce among rival gangs has evaporated, said Elizabeth G. Kennedy, a Fulbright scholar reached Monday in San Salvador, the capital of El Salvador.

"Half of them are fleeing for their lives," she said.

Kennedy, investigating the causes of child migration, has interviewed more than 400 child migrants. For many, Kennedy said, "their decision is: Do I face possible death in migrating or sure death in staying?"

The gang violence "particularly affects youths," said Alison Ramirez, who works on a U.S.-funded violence-prevention project in El Salvador and who frequently visits Honduras and Guatemala.

"The gangs are in schools, neighborhoods. They're everywhere," she said. "Even if the kids don't want to be a part of it, they get caught up in the crossfire, extorted, threatened."

"The violence is one of the drivers in Honduras," said David Scott FitzGerald, associate director of the Center for Comparative Immigration Studies in California. "Just looking at the homicide rate, it has tripled in the last decade. It's the highest in the world for a country not at war."

Children from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador aren't just fleeing to the United States. Increasing numbers have been seeking asylum in Mexico, Costa Rica, Panama, Nicaragua and Belize, according to the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees. Kennedy and Ramirez agreed that most children who flee to the United States do so because they have family members here.

Can't the Border Patrol just stop them?

The short answer: No. While the U.S. government has spent more than $126 billion over the past nine years on border security and enforcement, much of the fencing and infrastructure was built in California, Arizona and western Texas, which were the major crossing areas over the past decade.

The Border Patrol has been moving increasing numbers of agents into the Rio Grande Valley Sector, but vast stretches of the river are easy to cross, and there is extensive vegetation along the banks that makes it easy to hide both before and after crossing.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...wers/10246771/

Agent Orange was mentioned to kill the riparian vegetation, like Carrizo cane (arundo donax).

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sorry the children in other countries are not the usa problems
the usa children have enough problems already

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That is a lot of typing in a short amount of time. Has to be difficult to type all that while getting your shit pushed in by Toby. You must be inbetween appointments.

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More litera.com/cuck copypasta

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Normal immigrants didn't commit crimes. It's clear you approve of rewarding criminals.

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Pretty clear that Boutons just wants to incentivize everyone to flood the border illegally, get citizenship the cheap and easy way, and then vote Democrat.... meanwhile, he whines and complains that the "Repugs" are guilty of voter fraud :lol

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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation

Pretty clear that Boutons just wants to incentivize everyone to flood the border illegally, get citizenship the cheap and easy way, and then vote Democrat.... meanwhile, he whines and complains that the "Repugs" are guilty of voter fraud :lol

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You Lie

Repugs don't do voter fraud, but voter suppression and insane gerrrymandering.

What's "incentivizing" many of these kids and juveniles to flee from the country to USA and OTHER COUNTRIES are the drug gangs financed by THE USA'S WAR ON DRUGS, in parallel with Ms of subsistence farmers being put of work by BigAg's NAFTA shipping cheap corn, etc to south of the US Border, which caused Ms to flee to US looking for work.

NAFTA also forced, eg MX, to stop subsidizing the subsistence farmers so they couldn't compete with US BigAg, while the US govt heavily subsidizes US BigAg and its exports.

That's right, the US War on Drugs and NAFTA have been and still are HUGE causes of the undoc immigrant invasion.

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Pretty clear that Boutons just wants to incentivize everyone to flood the border illegally, get citizenship the cheap and easy way, and then vote Democrat.... meanwhile, he whines and complains that the "Repugs" are guilty of voter fraud :lol

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Yep.

Easy to peg his sorry ass.

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You Lie

Repugs don't do voter fraud, but voter suppression and insane gerrrymandering.

What's "incentivizing" many of these kids and juveniles to flee from the country to USA and OTHER COUNTRIES are the drug gangs financed by THE USA'S WAR ON DRUGS, in parallel with Ms of subsistence farmers being put of work by BigAg's NAFTA shipping cheap corn, etc to south of the US Border, which caused Ms to flee to US looking for work.

NAFTA also forced, eg MX, to stop subsidizing the subsistence farmers so they couldn't compete with US BigAg, while the US govt heavily subsidizes US BigAg and its exports.

That's right, the US War on Drugs and NAFTA have been and still are HUGE causes of the undoc immigrant invasion.

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I agree that the War on Drugs is a major problem, but the solution is not to hand out citizenship to anyone who crosses the border illegally....

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hand out citizenship to anyone who crosses the border illegally....

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who proposes, supports your straw man?

Even the Senate bill talks ONLY about Green card/legal residence after a VERY LONG period, NOT citizenship

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Texas has no valid plan or purpose for its recently announced $1.3 million per week commitment to expanding state trooper patrols along the border, judging from statements by Attorney General and GOP gubernatorial nominee Greg Abbott. From the Houston Chronicle (June 29):

Asked what a secure border might look like, Abbott said Sunday he didn't have a ready-made definition, but that achieving one was possible.


"If we can land people on the moon, if we can create iPhones and iPads," he said, "I think we can measure meaningful border security."

In other words, Greg Abbott doesn't know any more about how to secure the border than he knows about how to construct an iPhone or put a man on the moon.


So here we are: For the foreseeable future, Texas will spend $1.3 million more per week on border security than we did a month ago. But state leaders cannot identify an operational goal beyond meaningless platitudes (the goal is a "secure border" but Abbott can't define the term). And they cannot identify metrics to tell if the mission is a success or a failure (Abbott "thinks" it can be meaningfully measured but can't say how).


It's impossible to solve a problem one can neither define nor measure. Texas has spent hundreds of millions of dollars in recent years on similar border surges and by the state's own (often dubious) account, problems worsened. So why throw good money after bad? Any project where the government a) cannot define its goal, b) cannot measure success, and c) has pledged tens of millions of tax dollars ($67.6 million per year) with no end in sight, by definition qualifies as a big-league boondoggle in my book.

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http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/

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who proposes, supports your straw man?

Even the Senate bill talks ONLY about Green card/legal residence after a VERY LONG period, NOT citizenship

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So where do you think these ILLEGAL ALIENS will be staying during this VERY LONG period? Surely not in the country they legally belong in but right here in the United States. Why are you excusing the ILLEGAL actions by 11+ million people?

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http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/

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"If we can land people on the moon, if we can create iPhones and iPads," he said, "I think we can measure meaningful border security."

:lol :lol This asshole is nothing but your typical ignorant redneck.

so he's just going to MEASURE "meaningful" border security? Not ENFORCE it? :lol

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So where do you think these ILLEGAL ALIENS will be staying during this VERY LONG period? Surely not in the country they legally belong in but right here in the United States. Why are you excusing the ILLEGAL actions by 11+ million people?

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Why do you keep shifting the argument? Maybe you should read the senate bill. It might prevent you from having to flop around like a dying fish. Boutons has pretty much rebutted every assumption you made and now your argue net has been reduced to "why do you want to reward illegal activity".

What's your solution for finding and deporting all of the illegals currently in the country and how do you suggest that massive effort is paid for?

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Why do you keep shifting the argument? Maybe you should read the senate bill. It might prevent you from having to flop around like a dying fish. Boutons has pretty much rebutted every assumption you made and now your argue net has been reduced to "why do you want to reward illegal activity".

What's your solution for finding and deporting all of the illegals currently in the country and how do you suggest that massive effort is paid for?

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Do tell how my argument has shifted? Boutons supports the activity of these ILLEGAL aliens and wants to reward them with a $500 green card. It's an easy 11+ million votes for his party, he'd be stupid not too. His is also too cowardly to admit this.

"Boutons supports the activity of these ILLEGAL aliens"

You Lie (not sure what "activity" is, but You Lie)

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

"Boutons supports the activity of these ILLEGAL aliens"

You Lie (not sure what "activity" is, but You Lie)

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Do you believe they should be deported?

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Do you believe they should be deported?

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no, they contribute to the economy by doing jobs Americans won't touch anymore. And they often have the hungary energy immigrants arrive with.

USA is long-time, fabricated country of immigrants and mongrels.

The Senate bill is an excellent start.

However, the border must be secured against further illegal entrants (it ain't possible, but whatever)

So you do support their illegal activity and also see it as beneficial to the United States.

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So you do support their illegal activity and also see it as beneficial to the United States.

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goddam, you're stupid.

obviously, a main reason Repugs DID NOTHING about illegals from 2001 to 2008 was that Repug businessmen loved hard working, low-paid/no-paid illegals.

So now it's 100% on Obama to fix a decades-old undoc immigrant problem when House Repugs won't even allow the Senate bill on the floor.

I bet McLiar and Bishop Gecko would have done nothing about it, either.

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"Boutons supports the activity of these ILLEGAL aliens"

You Lie (not sure what "activity" is, but You Lie)
No, it's obvious. You support illegal activities by the fact that you want to reward illegal immigration.

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goddam, you're stupid.

obviously, a main reason Repugs DID NOTHING about illegals from 2001 to 2008 was that Repug businessmen loved hard working, low-paid/no-paid illegals.

So now it's 100% on Obama to fix a decades-old undoc immigrant problem when House Repugs won't even allow the Senate bill on the floor.

I bet McLiar and Bishop Gecko would have done nothing about it, either.

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how hard is it to answer my question? I asked if I was correctly understanding your position on the ILLEGAL aliens that are presently here ILLEGALLY, you dodged the question and in typical boutons fashion blamed repugs. And in blaming the repugs for wanting the ILLEGALS here for their labor you've basically sided with them as you yourself just said they were beneficial for their cheap labor.

Offering green cards for committing illegal acts against the United States for less than a littering ticket is not a solution, unless of course you are trying to buy votes.

I'm glad to see my fellow Californians are protesting and refusing passage of the bus loads of your Texas transferred ILLEGALS. You want them you can have them.

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So you do support their illegal activity and also see it as beneficial to the United States.

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what illegal activity, specifically?

coming in illegally?

working the underground/black/for-cash economy (just like Ms of Americans do)

what?

yes, MANY studies have shown legalizing undoc immigrants would be a huge, long-term boost to the economy (and tax revenues)

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how hard is it to answer my question? I asked if I was correctly understanding your position on the ILLEGAL aliens that are presently here ILLEGALLY, you dodged the question and in typical boutons fashion blamed repugs. And in blaming the repugs for wanting the ILLEGALS here for their labor you've basically sided with them as you yourself just said they were beneficial for their cheap labor.

Offering green cards for committing illegal acts against the United States for less than a littering ticket is not a solution, unless of course you are trying to buy votes.

I'm glad to see my fellow Californians are protesting and refusing passage of the bus loads of your Texas transferred ILLEGALS. You want them you can have them.

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So what's your "Final Solution" to undoc immigrants?

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So what's your "Final Solution" to undoc immigrants?

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He/they don't have one. They whine, "no amnesty", "enforce the existing laws". How do you find these 11million undocumented immigrants? Who pays for the effort to round these people up? Why can't the states do it?

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Does this guy ever take responsibility for anything? All he's done is blame blame blame.

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[First] Black President. Did you expect different?

In other news, thanks to these hard working, kind-hearted brown people who just want a chance at a better life, child slavery/prostitution and human trafficking across the border is at an all-time high. It's just part of their beautiful culture, tbh. Welcome to bouton's dream of America. A brown child prostitute on every corner, drugs as far as the eyes can see, rampant poverty, even more social programs, and a far left liberal in the White House. USA USA USmexico...

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A brown child prostitute on every corner, drugs as far as the eyes can see, rampant poverty, even more social programs, and a far left liberal in the White House. USA USA USmexico...

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Now I understand.

Boutons is their pimp!

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He/they don't have one. They whine, "no amnesty", "enforce the existing laws". How do you find these 11million undocumented immigrants? Who pays for the effort to round these people up? Why can't the states do it?

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They're not allowed to by the Feds. Any time they try to crack down it goes to court and gets shot down.

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They're not allowed to by the Feds. Any time they try to crack down it goes to court and gets shot down.

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That's why we need to step up cracking down on those who employ them.

If they can't find work, they will self deport.

So what's your "Final Solution" to undoc immigrants?

Pusher said what we all know.

Undoc immigrants are exclusively a wedge/political/campaign/rabble-rousing "problem" the Repgus have absolutely no interest in solving, or even addressing (no vote in the House, NO alternatives to Senate bill), appealing to the racism, xenophobia, and all the nasty shit that rouses the right wing.

why not shoot them?

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why not shoot them?

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If any of these clowns had a patriotic bone in their body that's what they would do to an invader

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why not shoot them?

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You put high powered rifles in a mounted area, with fixed areas of coverage. You have a bullet dispenser credit card driven. I'm sure someone could make a killing!

as we expected, right-wingers have NO suggestions to fix the undoc immigrant problem.

Keep pissing and moaning, it's very useful.

As expected, Boutons has nothing but excuses and coddling for criminals in the hope of more Dem votes :lol

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As expected, Boutons has nothing but excuses and coddling for criminals in the hope of more Dem votes :lol

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excellent, I'll tell Barry to get right on your Final Solution.

good to know Boutons and Murdoch/corporations are on the same page. I'd support the illegal bean3rs if they can take Bouton's astroturfing job for less pay. there are lots of shills on here, let's give these bean3rs the opportunity they can't get in their own country. do it MitchSoros.:hungry:

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good to know Boutons and Murdoch/corporations are on the same page. I'd support the illegal bean3rs if they can take Bouton's astroturfing job for less pay. there are lots of shills on here, let's give these bean3rs the opportunity they can't get in their own country. do it MitchSoros.:hungry:

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another EXCELLENT Final Solution.