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total joke! :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
NRA/gun industry propaganda
no b/g checks, private sellers, gun shows, straw buyers, etc, etc, etc
100M with locks? are they locked? 300M+ guns in USA :lol
Speaking of propaganda...more lies from Everytown for gun safetyQuote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
http://www.nssfblog.com/for-gun-cont...dard-practice/
Recently, we wrote a letter to the editor of USA Today to correct inaccuracies in an article about a new Everytown for Gun Safety “study”. In that study, the team at the Bloomberg-funded Everytown was following in the footsteps of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence in willfully misconstruing key facts.
At a June Brady Campaign Washington state rally, complete with props for television coverage intended to tug at heartstrings, the organization asserted that nine children die every day across the U.S. from gunshot wounds. While we agree that any accidental death is a genuine tragedy, the figure seemed high – and not just to us. And so our tale begins.
When asked about the number, the Brady Campaign said it was sourced from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) database, 2007-2011, at the same time revising the number downward by one.
It turns out, however, that an even more telling attempt to mislead was in play.
As Politifact reported, what the Brady Campaign neglected to mention is that the CDC’s data includes “children” aged 0-19. Important, but unnoted by the campaign, over half the accidental deaths were among 18 and 19 year olds. Additionally, approximately half the cases of unintentional injuries were also from 18 and 19 year olds. Politifact found that if this age group is removed from the calculation, the number of accidental deaths drops by 50 percent to 4 and the number of intentional injuries decreases to 5.
This discrepancy is significant. After all, those who are 18 can vote and join the military, which is hardly the province of “children” as most people define the term.
However, if one had attended the Brady Campaign rally, one would have no idea that the bulk of the data it was touting relied on including “children” who are legally young adults. And this is beside the fact that the CDC acknowledges its own data is inconsistent because the sample sizes are so small.
This misrepresentation is not a new development. The Clinton Administration made a habit of skewing the figures in the 1990s when it was campaigning to pass the Brady law, which mandated background checks and waiting periods for gun buyers. Celebrating the six-year anniversary of the law’s passage in 1999, President Clinton said ”over 32,000 Americans still lose their lives in gunfire every year, including 12 children every day,” a number unsupported by the CDC’s database http://www.nssf.org/images/external_link_icon.png
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The Brady Campaign’s recent rally is but one of the latest examples of an anti-gun organization misinterpreting the truth and misleading the public to advance its agenda. It marked the third time in a month that a gun control group has been caught doing this. The NSSF and the industry we represent are accustomed to witnessing such misleading exaggeration. It’s standard practice.
Project ChildSafe in partnership with NSSF, announces the second annual S.A.F.E Summer campaign, a part of Project ChildSafe’s ongoing program to emphasize the importance of responsible firearm storage — particularly while children are home from school and more likely to be unattended.
Each month, Project ChildSafe will recognize and spotlight local leaders nationwide who are promoting safety and making a difference in their community as the program turns its national message into local action. The firearm industry is promoting safe and responsible ownership through its network — reinforcing Project ChildSafe’s overarching message, “Own it? Respect It. Secure it,” — so that programs such as S.A.F.E. Summer serve as a reminder that proper firearm storage is the #1 way to prevent firearm accidents, theft and misuse.Our mission is to make the mantra “Own it? Respect it. Secure it.” second nature when talking about firearm safety. The S.A.F.E Summer initiative aims to emphasize the importance of safe and responsible storage in communities across the country.“S.A.F.E.” serves as an acronym for Store your firearms responsibly when not in use; Be Aware of those around you who should not have unauthorized access to guns; Focus on your responsibility as a firearm owner and Educate yourself and others about safe firearm handling and storage. The effort is focused on providing education and tools that helps gun owners take responsible action to keep their families and communities safer.NSSF launched Project ChildSafe in 1999 (prior to 2003 the program was called Project HomeSafe) as a nationwide initiative to promote firearms responsibility and provide safety education to all gun owners. Through partnerships with more than 15,000 law enforcement agencies, the program has provided more than 36 million free firearm safety kits to gun owners in all 50 states and five U.S. territories. That’s in addition to the more than 70 million free locking devices manufacturers have included with new firearms sold since 1998 and continue to do today.Project ChildSafe was originally supported by federal grants provided by the U.S. Department of Justice. Since 2008, when this funding was cut, the firearms manufacturing industry has solely funded the Project ChildSafe program through the members of NSSF.
"Project ChildSafe"
a HUGE success. kids don't kill kids, guns do! :lol
I'd say less than 1.5% of accidental fatalities of children under 14 by firearm is pretty good actually. Considering there 100's of millions firearms in circulation. When are going to start railing against bathtubs? You know, for the children of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
With all the accidental deaths by guns, and libtards wanting to outlaw them, I wonder when they will start wanting to outlaw cars? Aren't there far more accidental deaths by car, than by guns?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
That's a terrible argument. Please delete from my thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
LMAO. Yeah...get back in the car faggot. Even I'm not going to intrude on this ass whippin'.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
I trust the safe gun owner much more than I trust sleepy, old, young, drunk drivers.
Yet we are fine with very limited checks on drivers. Drivers with massive amounts of momentum at their "control".
I don't like guns in my house. But if most gun owners are like Sanity, I'm much more comfortable.
Again, we take the most deadly vehicle accidents and treat them as ok because we as a nation have decided transportation trumps the loss of life. This is very curious. And yes, I almost got hit by an 18 wheeler today. I implore folks to be way ahead or behind these idiots now driving killer momentum. It's a serious problem. Pull these idiots over for sobriety tests often. I will wait in that line.
Bend over boutons, time for another bitch slap.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
The National Shooting Sports Foundation®, NSSF®, the trade association for the firearms and ammunition industry, represents federally licensed firearms manufacturers, distributors and retail dealers. Proponents of gun control have perpetuated the myth that there is a “gun show loophole” in current law.
Licensed retailers must follow the same regulations and procedures, including conducting criminal background checks, when conducting business at gun shows just as they would if at their store or other place of business.
Claim: There is a gun show “loophole.”
Fact: There is no gun show loophole.
Most of the vendors at gun shows — up to 75 percent — are licensed dealers.i If you are a licensed firearms dealer, you are allowed to sell at gun shows in your own state. However, all the same rules apply. You must run a federal background check on any individual you sell a firearm to through the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). The same paperwork, recordkeeping, age restrictions, and other rules also apply, as if the sale occurred in the dealer’s place of business.
Further, only a small percentage of tables at gun shows, about 20 to 25 percent, actually sell firearms. The others sell books, accessories or other items.
Claim: The law allows unlicensed dealers to sell guns at gun shows.
Fact: Unlicensed dealers are criminals.
It is true that a background check and other regulations do not apply if you are an individual that wishes to occasionally sell a firearm from your personal collection in a private transaction. This bright line is clearly delineated in current law. If an individual is “engaged in the business” of selling firearms, they must be licensed. This is defined as, “a person who devotes time, attention and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms.”ii Under existing law, unlicensed dealers that fit this description and sell firearms at gun shows (or anywhere else) are breaking the law.
In practice, federal law is just the floor of restrictions on gun shows. Many gun show promoters require that all vendors leasing space at a show, including private parties, must agree to run background checks, regardless of whether they hold federal licenses or not. The vast majority of guns sold at gun shows go through federal background checks.
Further, in several states there is another layer of regulation as some states require background checks as part of all private firearms transactions. Background checks for private firearm sales are required in seventeen states.
Claim: Criminals get their guns at gun shows.
Fact: According to a November 2001 study by the U.S. Department of Justice of state and prison inmates, less than one percent (0.7) of criminals that possessed a firearm during their current offense acquired their guns from gun shows.iii By contrast, nearly 40 percent reported acquiring their guns illegally, such as by theft.
This is unsurprising when considering that other research suggests that while imposing additional gun show regulations does reduce the number of gun shows in a state, there is no evidence these laws reduce violent crime. In fact, there is some evidence that it is associated with an increase in murder and robbery rates.iv
More recently, a University of Maryland and National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) study in 2008 found that there is “no evidence that gun shows lead to increases in either gun homicides or suicides.” The study also found that “tighter regulation of gun shows does not appear to reduce the number of firearms-related deaths.”v
Gun control advocates often point to a 1999 study by the U.S. Justice and Treasury departments as evidence of widespread purchases of guns at gun shows by felons.vi This study, and other similar research, has been deliberately misused by gun control proponents to imply that criminals get their guns at gun shows. This is misleading, as the study only considers cases of criminal behavior related to gun shows that were already under investigation by the ATF. This is analogous to finding higher rates of food poisoning from restaurants that are being investigated for poor food safety practices, and saying the results are true for all restaurants in the country.
What this study does show is that criminals are illegally selling to criminals. More than half of the investigations reviewed involved individuals engaging in the business without a license – a clear violation of existing law. It also found that felons were buying or selling firearms in more than 46 percent of the investigations, also against the law.vii
Claim: The firearms industry doesn’t support background checks at gun shows.
Fact: While there is nothing you can do inside a gun show that you can’t do outside a gun show, the firearms industry has never opposed instant background checks at these events. The reason why this has not come to pass is that anti-gun legislators do not support an instant check.
They, along with the gun-ban lobby, have tried to incorporate waiting periods for all buyers at gun shows. Such an action is not only unnecessary, as the FBI National Instant Check System would require only seconds to conduct a federal background check, but must be considered a de facto ban of all gun shows, as implementing a five-day waiting period for a two-day gun show is impossible.
i U.S. Department of Justice, U.S. Department of the Treasury, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, “Gun Shows: Brady Checks and Crime Gun Traces,” January 1999. p.4 http://www.atf.gov/publications/ download/treas/treas-gun-shows-brady-checks-and- crime-gun-traces.pdf
ii 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(11)(A) iii Caroline Wolf Harlow, Department of Justice, Bureau
of Justice Statistics Special Report, “Firearm Use by Offenders: Survey of Inmates in State and Federal Correctional Facilities,” NCJ 189369, November 2001. http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf
iv John R. Lott, Jr., More Guns Less Crime: Under- standing Crime and Gun Control Laws, Third Edition. Chicago and London: The University of Chicago Press, 2010. pp.329-330
v Mark Duggan, Randi Hjalmarsson, Brian A. Jacob, ”The Effect of Gun Shows on Gun-Related Deaths: Evidence from California and Texas,” September 2008. p. 1 http://closup.umich.edu/research/work- ingpapers/oldpapers/gunshows-sept08-final.pdf
vi U.S. Department of Justice, U.S. Department of the Treasury, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, “Gun Shows: Brady Checks and Crime Gun Traces,”
11 Mile Hill Road Newtown, CT 06470-2359 T: 203.426.1320 F: 203.426.1087 nssf.org © 2013 National Shooting Sports Foundation, Inc. All Rights Reserved
January 1999. p.7 http://www.atf.gov/publications/ download/treas/treas-gun-shows-brady-checks-and- crime-gun-traces.pdf
vii U.S. Department of Justice, U.S. Department of the Treasury, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, “Gun Shows: Brady Checks and Crime Gun Traces,” January 1999. p.7-8 http://www.atf.gov/publications/ download/treas/treas-gun-shows-brady-checks-and- crime-gun-traces.pdf
"Most of the vendors at gun shows — up to 75 percent" :lol, and 25% and above? :lol
"anti-gun legislators do not support an instant check." ??? :lol and who FINANCES "anti-gun legislators"
and quoting the DoJ documents as if DoJ (and all of govt) weren't:
prevented from having a computerized gun tracking system,
prevented from EVEN JUST studying gun violence.
(AZ) prevent amnestied/surrendered guns from being destroyed?
so since gun regs are so restrictive and so religiously respected and enforced, how did all the "bad guys" get Ms of guns? :lol
The entire NRA/gun-industry strategy is SELL GUNS AND AMMO without EFFECTIVE limit.
Allow guns for ALL bad guys so the paranoid, suckered good guys will buys multiple guns to defend themselves.
Has Sanity ever been to a gunshow where arms and ammunition were being sold outside the show?
If so did he inform anyone?
The whole safe/bedside/safe/bedside shtick is weird to me. I just wouldn't want to incorporate paranoia into my daily routine.
Different strokes.
Never seen that outside a gun show but I've only been to a few, not really my crowd. Have you been to one and seen what you are asking?Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
its called being responsible.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
But that was a while back. I went with a friend. Asked what we should do, he said leave it.
Strange group, never went back. Way too many survivalist types. Still have no idea how that is
dealt with. My friend has a bunch of guns but he really goes to see the people.
i am not talking about the safety aspect. I am talking about having those thoughts as part of one's daily routine. It could just as easily be called living in fear.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
Only show I've been to is in Del Mar, CA. Really nice part of San Diego and its still an "interesting" crowd. I can only imagine the crowd gets more interesting in the Midwest/Southern gun shows.Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
I get in my car and put my seatbelt on every day. I do not live in fear of dying in a car accident, do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
That's the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
And I don't think about shooting someone every day. You have to. You make yourself. I will never live that way.
You could say the same about locking your doors, having an alarm system. If someone fastens their seatbelt are they driving in fear?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Not to the point of planning on shooting to kill someone, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
The seat belt comparison is almost as bad as WC's car argument. No one in the history of humankind could ever reasonably make the statement "I feel less safe with a seat belt on me." People don't accidentally kill people with seat belts.
If you feel more protected with a gun, that's fine. Plenty of people don't feel safer with a gun in the home, and that's fine too.
The End.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
I've been around guns a long time, you obviously haven't. We view them quite differently. You are provably afraid to even touch one for fear of it shooting you on it's own. I don't look at my gun and think about having to kill someone. You're projecting quite a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Don't think you quite followed Chump and I. But yes, agree with the last part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
Sure I have. Used guns a fair amount when I was younger. Received them as gifts. Never felt the need to keep them by my bedside ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
Wrong. You and I view the world quite differently. You go to bed every night preparing yourself for an attack. I just go to bed.Quote:
We view them quite differently. You are provably afraid to even touch one for fear of it shooting you on it's own.
Nope. That's the only reason you keep moving it in and out of your safe. There is no other possible reason other than readying yourself to kill someone every time you do it.Quote:
I don't look at my gun and think about having to kill someone. You're projecting quite a bit.
Do you lock your doors when you go to bed?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Do you think the analogy will fail less if you try it five times?Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
I think you'll never answer for obvious reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Yes. I lock doors.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
My locks aren't designed to kill people.
Guns are.
Therefore your analogy fails.
Five times.
We've been over this.
Oine who takes a gun out of a safe and put it in his nightstand every night is preparing to kill someone every night.
A person who merely locks a door every night is not preparing to kill someone every night.
You will never admit this for obvious reasons.
I'm sure you lock your doors and set your alarm system if you have one no? You prepare yourself for an attack every night as well, I'm just better prepared.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I put it in a safe before I leave so if my house is broken into while I'm gone my guns are not stolen and in the hands of criminals.Quote:
Nope. That's the only reason you keep moving it in and out of your safe. There is no other possible reason other than readying yourself to kill someone every time you do it.
Prepared to kill someone. Every night.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
And you take it out every night to prepare to kill someone.Quote:
I put it in a safe before I leave so if my house is broken into while I'm gone my guns are not stolen and in the hands of criminals.
Why are you trying to deny this? Pretty weak of you.
Pretty weak that you lock your doors thereby acknowledging the threat but you're not willing to acknowledge anything happening past the locked door.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Of course something could happen past the door. I just don't obsess over it to the point I prepare to kill someone every night before going to bed.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantthinkofanything
Why is this so difficult for the gun sleepers to admit?
Keep trying det analogy.
I've never denied that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Why do you lock your doors at night?
So why do you keep trying to equate it to locking doors?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
Obviously to kill anyone who tries to get in, genius.Quote:
Why do you lock your doors at night?
I think you're obsessing over it more than most gun owners.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I own smoke detectors AND a fire extinguisher. But I don't prepare to put out a fire every night.
Nope. Just driving a point home. If they accepted it and didn't try deflecting with failed analogies, I wouldn't repeat myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantthinkofanything
If you took out the fire extinguisher and kept it by your bedside every night, you would be.Quote:
I own smoke detectors AND a fire extinguisher. But I don't prepare to put out a fire every night.
Nice try though. At least you moved on from door locks.
You lock your doors for the same reason I lock my doors. I just have a plan for if the locks don't stop them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I lock the doors more to keep stuff from getting stolen when i'm gone. I often leave the door unlocked when I'm here. I would never kill someone over some stuff. You prepare to kill someone every night.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
Good for you.
I don't feel the need.
If I get murdered in my apartment, I'll put it in my will to have someone post lol me here. Then you can claim scoreboard.
You lock your doors every night to be prepared for a break in. Would you say you prepare every night to have your home invaded?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I have a gun but don't pull it out and have it by my bed. So, if someone did break it, I acknowledge that I wouldn't be as prepared as Sanity.
But being more prepared does not equate with preparing to kill someone. But you know that. You're trying to turn this into a semantic argument
which you always tend to do.
See above.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantthinkofanything
Great. You are less prepared to kill someone.Quote:
I have a gun but don't pull it out and have it by my bed. So, if someone did break it, I acknowledge that I wouldn't be as prepared as Sanity.
Sure, it means actively preparing to kill someone. For some reason gun owners are uncomfortable with calling it what it is and go out of their way to deflect with lock and alarm and fire extinguisher analogiesQuote:
But being more prepared does not equate with preparing to kill someone. But you know that. You're trying to turn this into a semantic argument
which you always tend to do.
It's not a big deal. You're making it a big deal by trying to deny it. Which gun owners always tend to do.
Gun owners are usually on the defensive because gun control advocates paint with a broad brush.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Gotta put this on hold so I can go prepare not to starve to death.
Kind of emo there.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantthinkofanything
When did I ever say I'd kill someone over some "stuff"? My firearm is to protect me from a threat. A guy stealing stuff from my house is not a threat unless he comes after me. I assume most would be burglars would likely flee when there is a flashlight with a gun attached to it pointing at them. If they do come at me though, dead burglar.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I never said you did, but thank you for clearly stating your reasons for preparing to kill someone every night.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
So defensive.
Thanks for acknowledging that you do incorporate paranoia into your daily routine. Must suck preparing to be killed every night.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
In what way am I actively preparing to be killed?Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
Be specific.
Yes, I am prepared to kill someone who is trying to harm or kill me in my home, without a doubt. Being prepared does not mean I live in fear, I sleep well at night. Are you not prepared to kill someone if they are trying to kill you?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
You may not be actively doing anything but you are locking your doors so obviously you are afraid of intruders. You brought up being murdered in your home so obviously it is something you think about and fear. I just don't understand why you are living in fear of being murdered and yet even more afraid of having the means to defend yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
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“It's a good feeling, you know, to shoot a bad guy. Something you Democrats would never understand. Americans... we're homesteaders, we want a safe home, keep the money we make, and shoot bad guys.”
~ Denny Crane
:lol
You might as well have quoted Stephen Colbert.
I just watched that episode last night. Couldn't help but post it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0530522/?ref_=ttep_ep10
By definition it's living in an amount of fears if you actively prepare to kill someone every night.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
It's not a big deal.
I never said I was afraid to have a gun, and the fact I don't lock my door when I'm at home half the time must mean I am less fearful than those who are arming themselves every night.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
Why are gun folk afraid to admit they are afraid?
Because you keep repeating it doesn't make it true, I don't live in fear, I am prepared to deal with a threat against me if it ever happens. It's funny how you keep saying gun owners all live in fear when I can guarantee you're the guy who crosses the street when a group of black guys is walking on the side as you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
And I'll ask you again since you dodged the question earlier, are you willing to kill someone if they are trying to kill you?
Nah. Why would I? We're just walking down the street.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
Of course you live in fear. There is no reason to arm yourself every night if you aren't living in fear.
sure. I just don't live in fear of that every day of my life like you demonstrably do.Quote:
And I'll ask you again since you dodged the question earlier, are you willing to kill someone if they are trying to kill you?
No one believes you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Recognizing that crime is a reality and having a gun handy does not mean one is living in fear no matter how many times you say it. This brings me back to seat belts. I don't wear one because it's the law, I wear one because accidents happen. I don't drive in fear for my life.Quote:
Of course you live in fear. There is no reason to arm yourself every night if you aren't living in fear.
sure. I just don't live in fear of that every day of my life like you demonstrably do.
Do you have a first aid kit at your house?
Do you have a surge protector for your electronics?
Do you have bottled water/canned foods/flashlight in case of natural disaster?
Comparing Snapping on a seatbelt with moving a gun from a safe to a bedside table then back to the safe every single day isn't really a fair comparison. You're routine reeks of fear. The behavior you've described is irrational IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
so now securing a gun when I am not home is irrational? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Th'Pusher
It's wildly excessive. As opposed to comparing it to wearing a seatbelt, a better comparison would be wearing a dental dam to sleep at night so that you don't swallow a spider :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...e-they-sleep1/
How do the majority of criminals acquire their guns?Quote:
Originally Posted by Th'Pusher
It's not irrational to keep your gun in a safe. As you should have noted by my apt comparison, what's irrational is moving it from your safe to your bedside table every night when you go to sleep. You've already bragged in this thread that you live In a low crime area. Do you really need to sleep with a loaded gun next to you? The whole scenario reeks of fear, if in fact you actually exercise that ridiculous routine...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
lol speaking for others.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
lol another failed analogy.Quote:
Recognizing that crime is a reality and having a gun handy does not mean one is living in fear no matter how many times you say it. This brings me back to seat belts. I don't wear one because it's the law, I wear one because accidents happen. I don't drive in fear for my life.
Tell me, what are the odds of being murdered in a home invasion compared to those of being in a car accident of any kind?
Don't dodge this question.
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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
What are the odds of cutting my finger compared to being murdered in a home invasion?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
What are the odds of a power surge compared to being murdered in a home invasion?Quote:
Do you have a surge protector for your electronics?
What are the odds of may power being knocked out compared to being murdered in a home invasion?Quote:
Do you have bottled water/canned foods/flashlight in case of natural disaster?
You have a specific fear of being murdered in your home, and that fear causes you to prepare to kill someone every night.
I have no fear of being murdered in a home invasion and I won't live in that fear. Violent crime peaked in the early 90s. I lived through that, so I'll just keep doing what I do. If someone really wants to murder me, they'll find a way -- but considering the percentage of homicides committed in the course of a home burglary (look it up, it is laughably small), chances are better it will be in the parking lot of a Buffalo Wild Wings for something I posted here.
What is irrational about moving a gun from a safe to a drawer at night and how exactly is a five second process ridiculous? Aren't you all about keeping guns out of the hands of criminals? And do I need to sleep with one next to me? I'll answer that when I can see in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Th'Pusher
keep telling yourself thatQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Dying in a car accident would have been a better comparison than a general accident imoQuote:
Tell me, what are the odds of being murdered in a home invasion compared to those of being in a car accident of any kind?
Don't dodge this question.
I will, and it's exactly right because you are trying to do just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
Nope. they protect against injury in any kind of accident. And I have been in car wrecks of all types, including one that led to a fatality. Have you been involved in a home invasion murder lately?Quote:
Dying in a car accident would have been a better comparison than a general accident imo
But sure -- move that goalpost to help yourself out -- what are the odds of dying in a car wreck compared to being murdered in a home invasion?
Dude, you tried to equate being murdered in your home to a power surge to your computer -- then you try to limit seat belts to only preventing death.
Try to decide which extreme of preparedness you are going to argue here.
The odds mean nothing to medo you fear cutting your finger?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
do you fear a power surge?Quote:
What are the odds of a power surge compared to being murdered in a home invasion?
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What are the odds of may power being knocked out compared to being murdered in a home invasion?
do you fear a natural disaster?Quote:
You have a specific fear of being murdered in your home, and that fear causes you to prepare to kill someone every night.
I have no fear of being murdered in a home invasion and I won't live in that fear. Violent crime peaked in the early 90s. I lived through that, so I'll just keep doing what I do. If someone really wants to murder me, they'll find a way -- but considering the percentage of homicides committed in the course of a home burglary (look it up, it is laughably small), chances are better it will be in the parking lot of a Buffalo Wild Wings for something I posted here.[/Quote]nope. No fear. Sorry. Some just make different preparations for possible situations.
Obvious fear.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
If you have no fear of being murdered at home you wouldn't sleep with a gun by you.
I have a very real fear of dying in a car wreck and I'm not afraid to admit it. My experience and the statistics justify that fea. Why are you afraid to admit your fear of being murdered in a home invasion?
Do your experience and the statistics justify your fear?
Again we just see things differently. You go through life telling yourself it could never happen to me, it's rather naive.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
What are the odds it can happen to me?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
You've obviously studied this and have all the hard data to lead you to a rational decision to sleep next to your gun every night.
What are the odds I will be murdered during a home invasion?
Please do not dodge this question again.
You can't seem to grasp the difference between fear and shit happens. Your projecting is quite telling.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
You are the one who is equating human life to a modem.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
If I have the means to give myself an advantage in any situation I'll incorporate them, probability means little to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Another dodge.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
What are the odds I will be murdered in a home invasion?
Please do not dodge this question again.
Not having the means to protect one's self is irrational. Your pink pepper spray stun gun combo don't count.
Look it up if you're so curious. I've said numerous times I do not care how slim the chance. It does me no harm to be prepared to protect my own life. You obviously don't value your own life as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I'm out for the night chump. We can resume tomorrow. Make sure you lock your doors tonight and turn on your security alarm.
I bet you a million dollars I will not be murdered tonight.
Thanks for dodging the same question six times.
Don't ever accuse anyone of dodging again.
Basically the definition of irrational. If you had the means to wear a dental dam to bed every night so that you don't accidentally swallow a spider, would you do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
what about living in a bubble like the bubble boy in an effort to reduce being infected by an airborne disease?
I've never once said the chances are high and have repeatedly said the probability of it happening means little to me. I value my life, along with that of my girlfriend who sleeps next to me every night. Being prepared for the slim chance of it happening is not fear. I place an inanimate object next to me at night, forget about it, and go to sleep. It is no different than locking your doors or arming a security system before you sleep. Is it irrational to lock doors and have a security system?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
do you lock your doors at night? Do you have a security system installed at your home?Quote:
Originally Posted by Th'Pusher
It's very different. You are actively preparing to kill someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
You have tried denying and tapdancing around and deflecting from that fact, but the fact remains.
It made you equate your life with the circuits in your modem.
And it made you dodge the same question six times.
I'm playing the odds. I'm not going to be murdered in my home tonight. No gun necessary.
sounds like a fear to me, since you randomly mentioned it specificallyQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
but i wouldn't worry too much, being in that much fear you've gone to great lengths to hide your identity and avoid being photographed at your faggy little spurs get togethers. if my post didn't soothe you and you're still worried, you could always get a gun.
I have an alarm, but never set it when I'm home. Just when I leave. One time I used it as a placebo for my seven year old. She was scared someone was going to kidnap her, so I walked her over to the alarm, armed "stay" mode and sent her to bed. She fell fast asleep. The funny thing is she didn't ask me to set it again the next night. She understood her fear was irrational.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
It's a joke, Chachi.Quote:
Originally Posted by m>s
lol you checked all the GTG pics looking for me?Quote:
but i wouldn't worry too much, being in that much fear you've gone to great lengths to hide your identity and avoid being photographed at your faggy little spurs get togethers
That's gay, dude.
I only attended one GTG that I actually organized. It was fun but no one bothered to take any pictures to my knowledge.
Sorry to break your heart.
She's obviously packing heat now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Th'Pusher
i heard you and whottt got caught alone together in a closet no pun intended and that's why he and you were always afraid to have your pictures taken or somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Yet you still lock your door before you go to sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Wow, you are really on a roll making shit up today. You have the fantasies of a twelve year old girl.Quote:
Originally Posted by m>s
your feelings started showing there at the end, relax dude always in so much fearQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Seems pretty stupid to purchase an alarm system and not set it before you go to sleep, especially if you have a child. That's like putting a bark collar on your dog at night. Bet you don't lock your doors either right, chances are slim to nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Th'Pusher
50-50 I do that. Don't get all OCD to check. And I never actively prepare to kill anyone every night as you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
It's a safe neighborhood as far as that stuff is concerned. I looked it up.
i feel sorry for your kid, just becuase she's black doesn't mean she deserves to die..what a shitty fatherQuote:
Originally Posted by Th'Pusher
You fantasize about dudes. Relax, it's normal for homosexuals such as yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by m>s