Is there a more retarded group than the anti-execution group?

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Originally Posted by angrydude

Prosecutors lie, cops lie, juries are clueless. What's not to love about putting your life in the hands of the state?

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star convicted/witnesses, eye witnesses, for the prosecution corrupted, offered deals to testify, etc

forensic crime labs, from FBI on down, have some pretty horrible failures, sloppiness

Add it all into the overall crapification of America.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

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nothing cruel/unusual about the death penalty tbh. its CERTAINLY not unusual, its a practice that has been around forever. and you yourself said its an easy way out, and that life i prison is more likely to be cruel.

and of course, if one cares about original intent, during the time the bill of rights was written, execution was practiced and legal, meaning they certainly didnt consider it cruel and unusual. besides, the fact that it says cruel AND unusual means a punishment would have to fit both to be considered illegal.

the main reason executions are expensive is the legal battle, the countless appeals. they also choose weird expensive techniques instead of a bullet to the temple

eh, still a fan of the death penalty, but understand the fear of killing innocent people. some people simply need to go imo....The fact that California never got rid of the Manson family still boggles the mind.

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

nothing cruel/unusual about the death penalty tbh. its CERTAINLY not unusual, its a practice that has been around forever. and you yourself said its an easy way out, and that life i prison is more likely to be cruel.

and of course, if one cares about original intent, during the time the bill of rights was written, execution was practiced and legal, meaning they certainly didnt consider it cruel and unusual. besides, the fact that it says cruel AND unusual means a punishment would have to fit both to be considered illegal.

the main reason executions are expensive is the legal battle, the countless appeals. they also choose weird expensive techniques instead of a bullet to the temple

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I've never been personally a fan of the death penalty only because the risk of offing innocent people. There's just no going back from that, and frankly, you have to look no further than the Trayvon Martin case to understand how fine is the line sometimes on some of these convictions... The wrong jury can send you straight to hell.

On the cruelty aspect, it's just another avenue to pursue delays. While my personal feeling is that perhaps it's more cruel for them to rot in jail, the reality is that the amendment provides a route to challenge deathrow that's not there in jail for life, and it's unlikely to go away due to the fact that changing the US Constitution is a difficult process. This is reflected in the SCOTUS having to tackle the 8th amendment many times when it comes to the death penalty.

But that is also why States that have the death penalty try to pursue a known, proven, minimally cruel method: it cuts down on arguments on appeal. With all these botched executions, now you have new arguments on appeal, and you can bet every inmate on deathrow is going to be applying for that shit. Now you have more delay, etc.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I've never been personally a fan of the death penalty only because the risk of offing innocent people. There's just no going back from that, and frankly, you have to look no further than the Trayvon Martin case to understand how fine is the line sometimes on some of these convictions... The wrong jury can send you straight to hell.

On the cruelty aspect, it's just another avenue to pursue delays. While my personal feeling is that perhaps it's more cruel for them to rot in jail, the reality is that the amendment provides a route to challenge deathrow that's not there in jail for life, and it's unlikely to go away due to the fact that changing the US Constitution is a difficult process. This is reflected in the SCOTUS having to tackle the 8th amendment many times when it comes to the death penalty.

But that is also why States that have the death penalty try to pursue a known, proven, minimally cruel method: it cuts down on arguments on appeal. With all these botched executions, now you have new arguments on appeal, and you can bet every inmate on deathrow is going to be applying for that shit. Now you have more delay, etc.

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i agree that the death penalty has to be handed out extremely carefully, if at all. not anybody who gets convicted of something should get the death penalty, it should require a separate standard. also, just want to be clear that i dont have some hammurabi-esque eye for an eye view, or have some bloodlust for people to be executed. i just have no problem with handing it out in cases where its deserved. you don't see guys guilty of a standard first degree murder get death penalties and such.

i'm just not a fan of the life in prison thing either, particularly life without parole.

Society: Torturing and then killing is an abominable act. Killing is the worst kind of act.

Solution: So if you torture and kill, we will act in an abominable way.

Besides all the practicalities and law, at its heart, it is a bit strange. Europeans find us odd for our thought process.
Then the range of reasons individual States and Juries deal out the penalty is hugely inconsistent.
So there's that...

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Originally Posted by Thebesteva

an Arizona man smiles at his victims family as he was being executed.

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Is the smiling part in another article? I did not see it in the CNN link.

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Originally Posted by Thebesteva

I was originally going to post this story, an Arizona man smiles at his victims family as he was being executed. The execution went wrong and it took him 2 hours to die as he gasped for air. Now people are outraged and looking to prevent this from ever happening again.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/23/justic...n-controversy/

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/ass...left-tease.jpg


Can someone explain to me how the fuck people are so sensitive to these scum bags not being eaten by lions and instead want them to be loved and hugged for life? Please explain to me the retarded theory behind this?

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For one thing, some of these people really are guilty, and scumbags, and I would happily put a bullet in their brain myself.

That said, let's expand our look a bit beyond the outrage de jour:

DNA evidence has freed a lot of people on death row, very conclusively showing that the legal system is flawed.

Are you comfortable with giving the government power to kill people for crimes they didn't commit? If so, what percent of "innocent" executions are you comfortable with?

Also, the cost studies are such that death sentences cost a LOT of money to carry out, far more than simply locking people up and throwing away the key. I can provide data on that if you wish, it is not hard to find, you can look it up yourself.

I personally don't think the government, especially state and local prosecutors should have that much power, especially given that once you kill someone, you can't take it back.

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Originally Posted by RandomGuy

For one thing, some of these people really are guilty, and scumbags, and I would happily put a bullet in their brain myself.

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Would you obtain your gun through the gun show loophole?

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

Would you obtain your gun through the gun show loophole?

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:rollin

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

Would you obtain your gun through the gun show loophole?

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Well played, sir, well played.