He's finished 4 times in the top 10 in MVP votes, actually, and once in the top 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by barbacoataco
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He's finished 4 times in the top 10 in MVP votes, actually, and once in the top 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by barbacoataco
Parker will be remembered as the best small guard ever inside the paint. Ev. Er.
if tony played for the knicks or fakers he would be considered one of the greatest of all time. Tony healthy equals best in the league.
TP is gonna have a freaking good 2014 season. I think he will peak next year tbh. This summer rest is gonna be great for him.
Nash is the only one who can be legitimately ranked against of him with two MVP's and a revolutionary playing style that was eventually perfected by Pop for the fifth title. He was big-shot-robbed from a title in 2007 as well and we would have remember him very differently.
But everyone else? If you are talking about all time greats, only three things matter, MVP, FMVP, rings.
Jason Kidd won nothing except a retirement ring.
Chris Paul won nothing, period.
John Stockton, same thing.
Isiah Thomas won 1 FMVP and 2 rings, still behind Parker for sure.
Only point guards I can rank ahead of Parker is Magic Johnson and I won't object if someone believe two MVP is better than 1 FMVP and 4 rings from an individual stand point, everyone else clearly behind Parker in accomplishments. He is incredibly efficient and like many said, had he played on an inferior team he would have padded his stats a lot more.
Game 5 Clips/Spurs vs ThunderQuote:
Originally Posted by Perry Mason
Paul 17 pts 14 assists 1 reb 4 stl
Parker 12 pts 4 assists 4 reb 1 stl
So...Tony played an efficient two-way game but not Paul with at least the same Parker numbers?Quote:
We know what Paul did. It didn't work out so well. TP9 played an efficient 2-way game with points, assists, rebounding and a steal and got the Spurs in rhythm for a blowout.
Paul's performance didn't work because the Clips lost that game? Well...maybe the Clippers aren't the Spurs.
Edit 'cause originally posted game 6 stats not 5. My bad.
Nash, Stockton, Paul are worse than Tony because they didn't win a ring?
Who knows but those guys could have won a title playing with Duncan...Nash-Timmy pick and roll would have been the most lethal offense in NBA history.
And for sure...Paul doesn't fit into Spurs system.
This. I remember a few seasons back that he said if the spurs played in New York, LA or Chicago, they'd be treated like gods.Quote:
Originally Posted by 50Bestspurever
Watch the game. Tony touches the ball or is involved in a hockey assist on most trips down the floor. Which is always the case for the Spurs and why TP9's assist numbers are deceiving.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildchild
Chris Paul, as usual, runs the simple "Chris Paul" offense (as VDN used to call it) and at the pivotal moments of the game with a chance to win, he shits himself and turns the ball over. It's fine to do this once. But it's the Chris Paul story every playoffs. He has a regular season game that is easier to control and lock down in the playoffs.
If I hear about Tony and "hockey assist" one more time...I may kill myself :depressed
Tony is the king of hockey assists.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildchild
*crosses fingers*
:lol Parker was absolutely horrible in the playoffs, tbh..Quote:
Originally Posted by barbacoataco
Pretty illogical way to rank players, tbh, only factoring wins and ignoring the circumstances..Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmantb
Since some people don't understand, in the NBA the regular season is a [email protected] affair that ranks barely above your local YMCA afternoon hustle. I mean the players are great, but halftime is a warmup and once one team gets a little ahead, the other team usually gives up. Not to mention that many teams are tanking or kind if tanking. The net result is ghat players can rack up various stats in meaningless games. Someone has to score.
In the playoffs, however, NBA teams play at the intensity that college teams play with all the time. That is, they play defense, contest shots, go for steals, you know trying to win. Playoff basketball is totally different than regular season basketball. Things that work a lot in the regular season don't work in the playoffs. The best finds the way to the top and the best players survive.
Learning to play with your team and executing as a team is a skill just like shooting, passing, dribbling etc. I don't know why some evaluate players on what they perceive as skills, like some of Steve Nash passing skills, as more important than the ability to win games. Steve Nash had a great team with Amare and everyone acts like he had no help. Also in 2007 Spurs won that series in 6 games. Defense wins playoff games.
So much wow for such a short paragraph.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmantb
Steve Nash has two MVP trophies: One that belongs to Shaq and one that belongs to Lebron. There's nothing revolutionary about Steve Nash's game. He was a pick-and-roll point guard with no backup who flopped a lot and never played a fucking lick of defense. He was very lucky that he went to a team that everyone picked to finish dead last so they could give him credit for the huge talent upgrade that came along with him. It's a travesty that he finished in the top ten in MVP voting, let alone ever being awarded the trophy. The Suns had zero chance of winning that series against the Spurs. Congratulations to Nash's flop for pushing the series to six games, however. John Stockton was everything Nash ever was on the offensive end and more, and a thousand times the player he was on defense.
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Originally Posted by will_spurs
Kemba Walker was king of hockey assists last year.
Tony Parker was tenth, behind
Walker, Curry, Paul, Conley, Deron Williams, David Lee, George Hill, Westbrook and DeRozan.
Winning games is a team effort, not an individual effort, and again, Parker was horrible in this year's playoffs..Quote:
Originally Posted by barbacoataco
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malik Hairston
You can keep on saying it, it won't make it any more real, except in your fantasy world.
:lol do you have an actual rebuttal?..Quote:
Originally Posted by will_spurs
My "world" is facts and numbers..Tony was worst or close to worst in every credible metric among Spurs' rotation players in the playoffs, tbh..I don't know why Parker homers keep denying this, he had a down year in the playoffs, just like Duncan and Ginobili had down years before him..
He was just average vs. Miami, and absolutely horrendous vs. OKC, tbh..
2013 Parker was a beast, playing at the highest level of his career and at a superstar-caliber level..if the Spurs hadn't choked and he could have capped it off in games 6/7, his year would have been remembered as one of the 3-5 best seasons in PG history..
2014 Parker was a tired, worn down player that had to sit out stretches of games and was largely ineffective in the playoffs..the Spurs were literally better(statistically) when he was on the bench..
I'm dead but not buried.
I've said before that Tony's a great player and amazing scorer, I'm glad he's on my team.Quote:
Originally Posted by will_spurs
I just react when people say he's better playmaker than Nash, better two-way player/defender than Paul, or those dumb hockey assists comparisons, years and years we've been hearing about those assists...that's why I respond to the crazy interpretations of his game.
But talking about fantasy world, you really think Parker played great/even good? I remember game 7 against Dallas as the best Tony's game in playoffs, then he was injured (hamstring, ankle) and it was ugly to watch him play last series.
Tony was great in game 7 against Dallas (and was really good in that series except game 2 and 4 maybe, contrary to many Spurs players) and then absolutely torched Portland. For whatever reason, probably because that series went only 5 games, it's like round 2 never happened. But if that series lasted only 5 games it's mostly thanks to Parker. Then he was up and down against OKC (let's not forget he was 14 & 12 in game 1 and 22 & 5 in game 2, and lead the Spurs in assists in that series) and very solid against Miami (not extraordinary but still the highest ppg in the Finals, for example).
That's quite far from "horrible", whichever way you look at it.
You cannot possibly be this stupid. You understand that teams have always game-planned to stop Parker, right? That's the way they used to beat the Spurs. When teams put their best defenders on you every second that you're on the court and send a second person to cheat onto you, your stats aren't great. If you're Kobe Bryant, you start putting up bad shots or throw a fit and pout. Parker doesn't even get down about it because the team is winning. At some point you have to be smart enough to admire the work ethic of the defensive lineman who takes double teams for an entire game while his teammates pressure the quarterback and realize what would happen without him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malik Hairston