Judge orders DOJ to release fast and furious documents

The courts have been slapping around this administration lately. Eric Holder is a piece of shit.


http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/katie...claim-n1873165

BREAKING: Judge Orders DOJ to Release Fast and Furious Documents Withheld From Congress Under Obama Executive Privilege Claim
Jul. 31, 2014
Thanks to a Freedom of Information Act Lawsuit pursued against the Department of Justice by government watchdog Judicial Watch, the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia has ruled documents being withheld from Congress under President Obama's claim of executive privilege must be turned over. Obama made the claim on the same day Attorney General Eric Holder was voted in criminal and civil contempt of Congress in June 2012.


"This order forces the Obama DOJ, for the first time, to provide a detailed listing of all documents that it has withheld from Congress and the American people for years about the deadly Fast and Furious gun running scandal," Judicial Watch released in a statement.


The FOIA lawsuit has been ongoing for 16-months and is now proceeding after a lengthy delay. The Justice Department originally asked the court for an indefinite hold on a FOIA request from Judicial Watch, citing executive privilege and an ongoing investigation. That indefinite hold request was shot down more than a year ago.


The documentation DOJ is required to now turn over is a "Vaughn index" of "all requested Fast and Furious materials from a June 2012 Judicial Watch FOIA request."


A Vaughn index must: (1) identify each document withheld; (2) state the statutory exemption claimed; and (3) explain how disclosure would damage the interests protected by the claimed exemption." In ordering the DOJ to provide Judicial Watch the Vaughn index, the Court ruled, “In this circuit, when an agency is withholding documents under exemption claims, courts require that the agency provide a Vaughn index so that the FOIA requester – at a distinct informational disadvantage – may test the agency’s claims.”
“Once again, Judicial Watch has beat Congress to the punch in getting key information about another Obama scandal – this time, the Fast and Furious outrage,” Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said in a statement. “A federal court has ordered the Obama administration to produce information that could, for the first time, provide specific details who in the administration is responsible for Fast and Furious lies to Congress and the American people. This is a battle that put Eric Holder in contempt of Congress, saw Nixonian assertions of executive privilege by Barack Obama, and a hapless Congress in face of all this lawlessness. Finally, we may get some accountability for Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and the countless others murdered as a result of the insanely reckless Obama administration program.”


This is a huge step forward.

Still with this? Nothing is going to happen. Executive privilege extends to the judiciary too.

still worth looking into, especially since HNIC is exploiting children for the sequel.

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Still with this? Nothing is going to happen. Executive privilege extends to the judiciary too.

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did you get a law degree for the sports agency business or computer stuff?

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still worth looking into, especially since HNIC is exploiting children for the sequel.

did you get a law degree for the sports agency business or computer stuff?

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both, tbh... plus I figured some posters here might eventually need representation :lol

j/k don't have a law degree

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both, tbh... plus I figured some posters here might eventually need representation :lol

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good stuff. i always wanted to work towards one simply to know my way around the law and contracts better. maybe I would be better off studying legalese since I'm really not very argumentative :lol. if i ever have any law questions I might send you a PM, don't worry I won't overdo it.

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good stuff. i always wanted to work towards one simply to know my way around the law and contracts better. maybe I would be better off studying legalese since I'm really not very argumentative :lol. if i ever have any law questions I might send you a PM, don't worry I won't overdo it.

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I actually grew up in a family of lawyers and even a judge. I always had a good amount of curiosity over the legal system and law in general. It's not rare to find myself reading court opinions from time to time. http://www.scotusblog.com is actually pretty cool when looking at SCOTUS transcripts and opinions.

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I actually grew up in a family of lawyers and even a judge. I always had a good amount of curiosity over the legal system and law in general. It's not rare to find myself reading court opinions from time to time. http://www.scotusblog.com is actually pretty cool when looking at SCOTUS transcripts and opinions.

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thanks. i'll try to check it out. i figure the better I can understand the law, legalese etc....the better I can avoid bs fine print that screws you over, or to have a better idea of how the politicians are screwing us over.

republicans dont even care about the events of fast and furious, they just want to throw shit on the Oblamo administration :lol

same with benghazi, with the fake butthurt. i just love the show

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republicans dont even care about the events of fast and furious, they just want to throw shit on the Oblamo administration :lol

same with benghazi, with the fake butthurt. i just love the show

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Agreed 100%. Especially when you have political groups behind these suits.

That's doesn't mean both incidents are not despicable and reprehensible though.

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Agreed 100%. Especially when you have political groups behind these suits.

That's doesn't mean both incidents are not despicable and reprehensible though.

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yep, think we're on the same page on this one. i probably came off more insensitive about the benghazi incident than i intended :lol

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republicans dont even care about the events of fast and furious, they just want to throw shit on the Oblamo administration :lol

same with benghazi, with the fake butthurt. i just love the show

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That is an incredibly ignorant over generalization.

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That is an incredibly ignorant over generalization.

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You Lie

The Repugs don't give shit about subjects of their faked outrage, their bogus scandals.

They don't give a shit about governing, since their "philosophy" is that all government (that doesn't enrich themselves and their paymasters) is illegitimate.

Starting from the fundamental concept that all opposition to, differences with Repugs is simply illegitimate, they deny the Dems any legitimacy, they reflexively block EVERYTHING from the Dems, even when it originated with the Repugs/conservatives (eg, health insurance mandate).

And you Repug right-wing bubba redneck redstate assholes elect these Repug assholes repeatedly.

Some of us actually care that the US Government was intentionally arming the Mexican drug cartels with thousands of assault rifles with no control or tracking on the Mexican side. It really IS a big thing.

I want the idiots that authorized that fired at the very least.

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Some of us actually care that the US Government was intentionally arming the Mexican drug cartels with thousands of assault rifles with no control or tracking on the Mexican side. It really IS a big thing.

I want the idiots that authorized that fired at the very least.

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you didn't give shit when dubya and the Repugs did it.

Benghazi? There were a lot more attacks on and murders of US diplomats under dubya, but Repugs said absolutely nothing.

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you didn't give shit when dubya and the Repugs did it.

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You fucking idiot.

The operation you refer to was done IN CONJUNCTION with the Mexican military/authorities and the guns were TRACKED on the other side of the border.

Fast and Furious was just sending them in with no tracking and without the knowledge/cooperation of the Mexican government.

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That is an incredibly ignorant over generalization.

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Well of course I'm generalizing

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you didn't give shit when dubya and the Repugs did it.

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Assuming your premise is accurate, that makes it ok for Obama to do it then?

It's better to be a hypocrite than to proudly wear your immorality on your sleeve.

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Assuming your premise is accurate, that makes it ok for Obama to do it then?

It's better to be a hypocrite than to proudly wear your immorality on your sleeve.

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No sense assuming. His premise is not accurate. He is trying to equate Fast and Furious with a Bush era sting where the US and Mexican authorities worked together and the Mexicans tracked the guns to their destination after they crossed the border and actually made arrests. There is no comparison.

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No sense assuming. His premise is not accurate. He is trying to equate Fast and Furious with a Bush era sting where the US and Mexican authorities worked together and the Mexicans tracked the guns to their destination after they crossed the border and actually made arrests. There is no comparison.

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but the Americans figured out the MX police/govt were penetrated and corrupted by the drug cartels, so were no longer a partner.

btw, until proven otherwise, I'm sure US gun mfrs and dealers sell, with "plausible deniability" and well-covered traceability of course, Ms of guns and ammo that end up in the bad "folks" hands. The entire 2nd Amendment :lol scam is a cover for selling everything to everybody. When it comes to death merchants, there never was, is not morality or ethics. It's all and only about the Benjamins.

If fast and furious was clearly a huge violation of any laws, who thinks Eric Holder would actually take notice?

Attorney General extraordinaire...

NRA Falsely Claims That Obama Gave “El Chapo” A Sniper Rifle

A National Rifle Association video falsely claims that President Obama gave Mexican drug trafficker “El Chapo” a .50-caliber sniper rifle in order to claim that the president may be on the “side” of drug cartels.

But the NRA video never mentioned that the gun in question was manufactured by an NRA board member or that the NRA has strongly opposed efforts to ban the sale of .50-caliber sniper rifles.

The class of firearm is “among the most destructive weapons legally available to civilians” and has been linked by law enforcement to “terrorism, outlaw motorcycle gangs, international and domestic drug trafficking, and violent crime.”

In an April 15 video, NRA News commentator Dana Loesch criticized President Obama over news reportsthat a .50-caliber sniper rifle associated with Operation Fast and Furious was recovered at the hideout of Joaquín Guzmán Loera, who is widely known as “El Chapo,” following the narcotrafficker’s January arrest.

Fast and Furious was a failed Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) operation to track firearms sold to traffickers at retail stores in the United States to high-level drug cartel figures in Mexico. The ATF lost track of many of the guns after they crossed the border, and the operation, which was terminated in 2011, became public knowledge after one of the guns was used to kill a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

Fast and Furious was spun off of the botched Bush administration Operation Wide Receiver, which also failed to track trafficked guns to high-level targets.

While an independent investigation found that the failure of Fast and Furious was due to “flawed” tactical decisions on the ground,

the NRA has long conspiratorially claimed that Obama and former Attorney General Eric Holder hatched the operation as a secret plot to cause violence in Mexico and thus justify more restrictive gun laws in the United States.
In NRA video, Loesch claimed, “El Chapo did not get that .50-cal from a [concealed handgun license] holder in Texas; he got it from Barack Obama and Eric Holder,” before asking, “Who's side are they on?”

It is well-established that Obama and Holder were not aware of Fast and Furious while the operation was underway. While the NRA continues to push conspiracies about the operation, even Rep.

Darrell Issa (R-CA), the primary congressional investigator into the failed sting, has said it is “important” to acknowledge that an independent investigation found that Holder was unaware of the program during its existence.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/04...rica+-+Blog%29

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/depar...ious-documents

woohoo!

Probably won't be massive at all.

Unless you're saying Horowitz is incompetent or corrupt.

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Probably won't be massive at all.

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What's going to happen?

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What's going to happen?

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A few blogs will be written. You'll post some tweets.

Otherwise, nothing.

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A few blogs will be written. You'll post some tweets.

Otherwise, nothing.

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aka, "The djohn".

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aka, "The djohn".

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Maybe. Mueller just keeps plugging along.

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A few blogs will be written. You'll post some tweets.

Otherwise, nothing.

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Way to go out on a ledge there. Pathetic.

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Way to go out on a ledge there. Pathetic.

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Why? It's what I believe.


What do you think will happen?

Obama ‘Fast and Furious’ documents to be released: Brian Terry's family reacts

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/57500...#sp=show-clips

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Kent Terry, brother of slain border agent Brian Terry, discusses why he wants the Department of Justice to go after drug cartels and the release of documents related to the Obama-era program “Fast and Furious.”
After six years of litigation, the Department of Justice (DOJ) has agreed to release documents related to the botched Obama-era Fast and Furious “gun walking” scandal.

Kent Terry, the brother of murdered Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, is calling on the DOJ to reopen its investigation and says he is encouraged by President Donald Trump’s Justice Department.

“I want accountability for those that orchestrated it. That, make sure that these cartel members that are highly known criminals [do not] get weapons in their hands and I think that Sessions should go after these guys so it doesn’t happen again,” Terry said on FOX Business’ “Lou Dobbs Tonight.”

Operation Fast and Furious was a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) operation in which weapons from the U.S. were allowed to pass along to suspected criminals in order to track them as they were transported into Mexico and possibly to drug cartel members.

It was discovered that nearly 2,000 firearms were illegally purchased for $1.5 million, according to a DOJ Inspector General report. Two weapons linked to Fast and Furious turned up near the scene where Brian was gunned down in the Arizona dessert.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...-family-reacts

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