WOJ: Cleveland has agreement to acquire Kevin Love

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

Bennett was terrible last year and may only ever be serviceable. If Wiggins is better than Thompson then this was the better deal, but really GSW should stick with Klay - he's great for them.

Cleveland looks good but are no better than Miami was last year, if a bit worse. But they aren't expecting to win it this year, I hope. They'll need to grow into it.

Also, Love is a good piece but I'd rather have a strong defender down low. They'll have to find one.

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I think Bennett will be better, but more along the lines of a D Gooden type of player overall (I couldn't think of any other good comparisons.... M Williams maybe?).
I do think Wiggins will eventually be better than Klay. Wiggins already seems more multi faceted then Klay who suffers from being satisfied with just shooting 3s.

And I would have to say I think Cle this year will be a lot closer to Mia last year then not. And if Irving and Love get in a groove with Lebron, their ceiling will be a lot higher than last years Miami team. I wouldn't necessarily say Bosh was a good defender down low. An occasional block isn't saying much. So Verajo, Thompson, and Love (when he feels like it) would be serviceable with weak centers throughout the East playoff contenders. For now, I think Cavs will play the defense of scoring more to exhaust other teams on defense and making them too tired to score as effectively.

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Originally Posted by Bill_Brasky

:lol letting Lebron be the GM


Stupid fucks didnt learn the first time.

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It's not like it's a bad move. Love is no proven playoff player but he ain't Mo Williams or Delonte West either.

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Originally Posted by 100%duncan

It's not like it's a bad move. Love is no proven playoff player but he ain't Mo Williams or Delonte West either.

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No one knows if he will be a playoff performer till he actually gets there. I think he will be fine in playoffs and do well (i.e. Garnett w/o his defense) once he gets there, but his knock will always be lack of defense. With so many options (Irving, Waiters, Thompson, Lebron, Miller), he won't need to put up similar numbers as last year (26pt, 12bds, 4asst) to be effective for the Cavs. And he will already have a max contract to complain if he doesn't get his numbers. Either way, Lebron and company can put up some nice distractions to open him up on the 3pt line all day long. Its going to be interesting how it all works together, but their egos should be out the door w/max deals for most part with the big 3.

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Originally Posted by montgod

No one knows if he will be a playoff performer till he actually gets there. I think he will be fine in playoffs and do well (i.e. Garnett w/o his defense) once he gets there, but his knock will always be lack of defense. With so many options (Irving, Waiters, Thompson, Lebron, Miller), he won't need to put up similar numbers as last year (26pt, 12bds, 4asst) to be effective for the Cavs. And he will already have a max contract to complain if he doesn't get his numbers. Either way, Lebron and company can put up some nice distractions to open him up on the 3pt line all day long. Its going to be interesting how it all works together, but their egos should be out the door w/max deals for most part with the big 3.

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No one knows how Wiggins will end up too. One thing's for sure he won't be half-as good as Love is in 3 years which is the Cavs' championship window imho.

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Originally Posted by 100%duncan

No one knows how Wiggins will end up too. One thing's for sure he won't be half-as good as Love is in 3 years which is the Cavs' championship window imho.

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I agree... but I think the Cavs would have been good either way. I think he is going to be a really good player especially on the defensive end which would have worked will since Irving is allergic to defense to some degree. With them keeping him, he would have definitely helped on the perimeter defense if anything and developed into a very good scorer from the outside. Kevin Love is in his prime, but is mainly an offensive threat w/benefits on the boards. Pros and Cons each way...

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Originally Posted by montgod

I agree... but I think the Cavs would have been good either way. I think he is going to be a really good player especially on the defensive end which would have worked will since Irving is allergic to defense to some degree. With them keeping him, he would have definitely helped on the perimeter defense if anything and developed into a very good scorer from the outside. Kevin Love is in his prime, but is mainly an offensive threat w/benefits on the boards. Pros and Cons each way...

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Yup. They were winning the East either way so whatever imho.

Squad is kind of like the Heat. Great starting 3 with no bench..

And with Georges injury they win the east pretty easy.. But may have a showdown with the Heat oh won't that be fun?

I don't think there can be a "firm agreement" that Love has to opt out and re-sign. There certainly can't be anything binding. That would be VERY against the CBA.

I'm keen to see if Philly is going to be involved as well. Will Bennett be enough for Young? He should be. But if Minny gives up a pick as well, it would be bananas.

Just do Parker/Manu & Splitter/Duncan pick n roll against Kyrie & Love all game long

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Originally Posted by dbreiden83080

Squad is kind of like the Heat. Great starting 3 with no bench..

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I don't agree. I actually like their bench of Waiters, Thompson, Miller and Marion and Lucas is a decent backup at pg... haven't looked at who else is on it but that's decent.

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Originally Posted by montgod

I don't agree. I actually like their bench of Waiters, Thompson, Miller and Marion and Lucas is a decent backup at pg... haven't looked at who else is on it but that's decent.

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Did they get Marion already? They still have that unknown commodity - new coach. Most everything is new with the Cavs ...

Love it! I had concernes about Cavs getting Love without giving up on Wiggins. Also had concernes about a clicking LeBron/Wiggins lineup...Irvin/Bron/Love is good, but no threat to the Spurs, if they meet in the Finals.

Also like it for the Wolves.

Crazy how a such moronic franchise can still be good after screwing up several picks in a row.

Reaching for Tristan Thompson and passing on Valanciunas, Leonard, Klay Thompson
Reaching for Dion Waiters and passing on Lillard and Drummond
Reaching for Anthony Bennett and passing on Oladipo, MCW, Nerlens Noel

Pathetic. I wanna see Cleveland getting their butts kicked badly and I think that the Bulls will do it.

42pts, 14reb, 8-9 3PT

Sure as hell beats his old broken down big 3

The East is still the JV in the NBA.

Cavs have to throw in a 2015 first rounder too? As if two #1 picks wasn't enough? :lol Cavs just didn't learn anything from last time they lost Lebron did they? They are so insecure about Lebron leaving that they are willing to sacrifice their entire future to bring back short term gains. Trading away two #1 picks and another first rounder for a 6'8 PF who doesn't play defense when the Cavs had all the leverage? I still think the Cavs should probably have made some trade for Love that involved some of their young players but to give up so many young assets, they could have made a far better deal. But they are just too scared of Lebron being unhappy for one year that they negotiated terribly. Should have played hardball and offered Waiters, Bennett, and 1 or 2 first round picks. That's still a comparable package that the Magic got for Howard... and Howard was the best center in the league at that time.

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Originally Posted by dbreiden83080

Squad is kind of like the Heat. Great starting 3 with no bench..

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They really do look similar to LeBron's Heat teams. Irving/Love is probably a slight upgrade over Wade/Bosh at this point especially if they show they can perform in the playoffs. One of the big things the Cavs lack though is experience.

I don't get what people are saying, both teams did well. Everyone knows what Klay is for the most part and he literally does no good for Minny. Minny has to take swings for stars (and cheap ones) and it's hard to argue (based on what was offered/reported) that they could have done any better than what they did.

CLE does this for obvious reasons and it makes their ceiling incredibly high. Anyone saying that MIA last year was better is foolish IMO. Wade continued to struggle with health/defense and that alone lowered their ceiling. CLE should at least in theory be so much better offensively than the Heat were. They literally upgraded offensively at almost every position. They still have an ok bench (that has some youth) so they are ahead of the Heat there.

Their big concern is AV's health and overall wing defense. Their defense should be quite bad as it stands now with no improvement from Love/Kyrie and they need some wing defenders with Wiggins gone. But I think both teams did well for the most part.

If Love re-signing is true, their payroll is going to be bananas!

its insane what teams have to do to beat the spurs.......for the last 10 years they have been doing this......funny.

Lol 200 mil to two statpadders without any success.

Boris gonna put Love in the spin cycle if we meet in the Finals :lol

I think this is a BIG mistake.

Wiggins, IMO, is better than Love right now. Everyone talks about his "potential", but what I see is a freakish athlete whose overall game is vastly underrated. He's a good shooter, an elite defender, and an overall behemoth on the court. Love is no behemoth. Nobody respects him on D.

Look, somebody had to score all those points and get all those rebounds on a BAD Minnesota team. Stats are overrated. How many points did Monta Ellis average with Golden State and Milwaukee? How many points/assists did/do Chris Paul and Steve Nash average year in and year out in comparison to Tony Parker? I think people look at Love's career average way too much and not Kevin Love the basketball player enough. Wiggins would smoke him 1 on 1.

Bad choice, Lebron. Can't believe you passed up on the opportunity to play alongside the next you. The next behemoth in the NBA. What a shame. 5 years from now we'll all look back, everyone will see what a terrible mistake this was for the Cavs.

Great move by Minnesota!