Greg Oden and Spurs Karma

It seems like whenever a FA passes on the Spurs, two things happen:

1. The Spurs prosper (and look great as it turned out); and

2. The FA who rejected the Spurs tailspins.

Look at Grant Hill in 2000.

Kidd in '03 (granted, he eventually gravytrained a title with Dallas late in the game).

The list goes on.

Now, Greg Oden.

I, for one, really wanted the Spurs to get Oden last year even though I knew he dogged it during rehab in Portland.

How wrong I was and how lucky the Spurs were.

Oden is not only a dog, he's apparently a bum. See the article below.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...sted/13712409/

:lol what a faggot

Damn.

At least he beats up a woman his own size

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:lol

:lol people wanting to cut Baynes for him.

Jason Kidd had a successful NBA career and is probably going to make the hall of fame. Grant Hill didn't do too bad for himself either despite the injuries. Greg Oden had already flamed out before we were interested in signing him.

Greg Oden was a bust worse than Sam Bowie. Now it turns out he's a dirtbag too.

I don't think it was possible for Grant Hill to come to the Spurs in 2000, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there?

Norris Cole. :lol

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Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!

Jason Kidd had a successful NBA career and is probably going to make the hall of fame. Grant Hill didn't do too bad for himself either despite the injuries. Greg Oden had already flamed out before we were interested in signing him.

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Yeah, but . . .

The Spurs were going to sign and trade Tony Parker for Kidd in '03 -- that would have been a bad move. And Kidd was in charge of whether it happened.

Grant Hill in 2000 would have severely hampered the Spurs ability to make the moves that got them titles in '05 and '07. Hill may have done okay for himself, but any team that gave him max money for several years starting in 2000 was screwed, pure and simple.

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:lmao the fuck is Wade doing in the background?? Thats some napoleon dynamite shit.

I figured he was signaling for Birdman, tbh..

Dwade part of the happy hands club lol

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Originally Posted by Russ

Yeah, but . . .

The Spurs were going to sign and trade Tony Parker for Kidd in '03 -- that would have been a bad move. And Kidd was in charge of whether it happened.

Grant Hill in 2000 would have severely hampered the Spurs ability to make the moves that got them titles in '05 and '07. Hill may have done okay for himself, but any team that gave him max money for several years starting in 2000 was screwed, pure and simple.

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point is, they didn't "tailspin" after passing on the Spurs

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Originally Posted by Bill_Brasky

:lmao the fuck is Wade doing in the background?? Thats some napoleon dynamite shit.

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isn't that napoleon dynamite behind wade?

The list goes on? We've only got one on the list so far, considering Grant and Kidd ended up doing pretty well for themselves.

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The list goes on? We've only got one on the list so far, considering Grant and Kidd ended up doing pretty well for themselves.

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and that one, Greg oden, was already a bust long before the Spurs showed any interest in him.

Yep. Stupid thread is stupid.

Class act.

Blazers tbh

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I really never understand players like him who literally had NOTHING to do with the Heat winning that East, yet always seems to be the one being the biggest jackass with the trophy.

So something bad happens to Pau Gasol?

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Mark Madsen thinks he's got this old timer beat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDZkS5dBu6c

:lmao

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Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!

Jason Kidd had a successful NBA career and is probably going to make the hall of fame. Grant Hill didn't do too bad for himself either despite the injuries. Greg Oden had already flamed out before we were interested in signing him.

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Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!

point is, they didn't "tailspin" after passing on the Spurs

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Originally Posted by TimDunkem

The list goes on? We've only got one on the list so far, considering Grant and Kidd ended up doing pretty well for themselves.

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Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!

and that one, Greg oden, was already a bust long before the Spurs showed any interest in him.

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Originally Posted by TimDunkem

Yep. Stupid thread is stupid.

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Ouch. Perhaps I should mount a defense . . .

Did Grant Hill "tailspin" after signing a max FA deal with Orlando (rejecting the Spurs)?

"Tailspin" may be a harsh word.

On the other hand, after signing his max long-term deal with Orlando, Hill played in exactly four games the next year.

The next year, Hill upped it to fourteen games played. (The six years before, Hill averaged 72.5 games played/year.)

Before rejecting the Spurs' max offer, Hill had made the All-NBA 1st or 2d team 5 years straight. After, nothing. Not even so much as a 3rd team mention the rest of his career.

The year before Hill rejected the Spurs, he averaged 25.8 ppg. After, Hill never averaged as much as 20 again in any year.

So, to summarize, Hill played a total of 18 games in the first two years of his max deal.

Perhaps we should ask the Orlando GM whether he thinks Hill "tailspinned" after he signed Hill to that long-term max deal. (Although it might be tough to find him, he no longer works in basketball.)

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Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!

point is, they didn't "tailspin" after passing on the Spurs

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Okay, what about Kidd, a tougher "tailspin" case to be sure.

Question -- how many NBA players can you name whose scoring average went down each year for seven years straight? Kidd's did starting the year after he rejected the Spurs FA offer. A remarkable feat really.

Each of the two years before Kidd rejected the Spurs, his Nets went to the NBA Finals. After Kidd signed that max deal with NJ? Kidd's Nets never went to the Finals again.

But the real Kidd "tailspin" happened off the court. His perfect marriage to TV "broadcaster" Joumana ended in a divorce that was messy and humiliating even by celebrity standards. Joumana rolled her eyes at the thought of living in homely SA with no major media gigs, but the end of that romance (in the badlands of Jersey) was no thing of beauty.

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The list goes on? We've only got one on the list so far, considering Grant and Kidd ended up doing pretty well for themselves.

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Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!

and that one, Greg oden, was already a bust long before the Spurs showed any interest in him.

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Okay, Greg Oden --

Yes, he was a bust before the Spurs went after him, no doubt.

But last summer both NBA Finalists (no less) wanted to sign him -- he had his pick.

Now he's looks done, with no offers from anyone.

Like Kidd, however, Oden's real tailspin came off the court. Although a bust, Oden was considered something of a victim of unfortunate circumstances -- injuries beyond his control.

Now, he's looked upon more like a villain -- perhaps facing felony battery charges for punching a woman.

Maybe not a tailspin, but certainly no inspiring comeback story.

So now we come to . . .

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Originally Posted by Ice009

I don't think it was possible for Grant Hill to come to the Spurs in 2000, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there?

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You may be right, but if so, both the New York Times and Los Angeles Times (articles linked below) are wrong.

According to both those papers (and my less than perfect memory), Pop flew to Detroit in the summer of 2000 in a desperate mission sign Hill as FA. In fact, Pop sat outside a hotel room, hat in hand, waiting for an audience with the great Mr. Hill.

Why was the normally self-assured Pop so desperate? Could it be he loved Hill's crossover move that much?

Nope -- Pop thought Hill was headed to Orlando as a FA and might lure Tim Duncan there with him.

Pop was only half right as it turned out.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/07/07/sp...land-hill.html

http://articles.latimes.com/2000/jul/16/sports/sp-53908

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Originally Posted by TimDunkem

Yep. Stupid thread is stupid.

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Well, I tried.

Did the Spurs really have a max contract to offer anyone in 2000? I remember them having one for Duncan, but I don't know that they have another, especially since Robinson was probably on a max deal back then.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Did the Spurs really have a max contract to offer anyone in 2000? I remember them having one for Duncan, but I don't know that they have another, especially since Robinson was probably on a max deal back then.

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Kewpie doll for you.

The Spurs had a max for Duncan.

And then a "what's left over" max for someone else (Hill).

The Spurs offered Hill the $2.25 million exception for the 2001 season and then a six-year contract worth at least $90 million for the next season.

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Kewpie doll for you.

The Spurs had a max for Duncan.

And then a "what's left over" max for someone else (Hill).

The Spurs offered Hill the $2.25 million exception for the 2001 season and then a six-year contract worth at least $90 million for the next season.

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I doubt they would have done that. That's crazy against the CBA. The Wolves got ruined when they got caught trying to do that. Still haven't recovered.

Well, Grant Hill 3 did lead to Hill's breakdown in LAC. Caron Butler has pretty much had a career to forget since his rejection of the team.