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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
Hedo turkcoglu
Also, did the Spurs do nothing to get better, sure but none of the top West teams did anything either.
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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
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Trainwreck2100
Hedo turkcoglu
Also, did the Spurs do nothing to get better, sure but none of the top West teams did anything either.
Yeah but two of our big 3 will almost certainly endure an age-related decline of some sort whereas KD or Westbrook aged further into their prime.
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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
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DMC
No.
Spurs were never a super team. You don't draft yourself into super team status. That requires combining forces of known superstar talent like Shaq and Robert Horry.
I guess the Bulls weren't a superteam either, since they drafted Jordan & Pippen.
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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
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Jenks
Uh, that's a low bar for a superteam. They didn't win it all.
Also your take on .4 is retarded. Series tied at 2-2, Lakers taking game 5 wasn't the difference in the series? Hurrr
You are the retard. We were supposed to lose that game anyway if it wasn't for Tim's miraculous shot before fisher's. They lead nearly that entire game on our HOME FLOOR. That tells me more than Fisher's shot does tbh.
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Aremid
You are the retard. We were supposed to lose that game anyway if it wasn't for Tim's miraculous shot before fisher's. They lead nearly that entire game on our HOME FLOOR. That tells me more than Fisher's shot does tbh.
Pretty much the most retarded thing I've ever read, thanks.
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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
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james evans
i know they beat us, but if the time keeper does their job, we are up 3-2 after game 5.
I agree on this here, we never should have been down double digits though on our home floor for a game 5 and have to come back only for that to happen TBH. The part that got to me is Devean George is going off and we were down double digits at one point in the second half. .4 was crap but it never should have come to that.
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Aremid
You are the retard. We were supposed to lose that game anyway if it wasn't for Tim's miraculous shot before fisher's. They lead nearly that entire game on our HOME FLOOR. That tells me more than Fisher's shot does tbh.
There is no way we should have been down double digits at home in a pivotal game, I agree on that part.
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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
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jsandiego
I guess the Bulls weren't a superteam either, since they drafted Jordan & Pippen.
Well no, he was traded to the Bulls by Seattle.
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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
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DMC
Compared to their competition they certainly were.
Putting MJ and Pippen together is like putting Lebron and Wade together. They'd be a super team without Bosh.
they had jordan and pippen. who else? grant was there for defense and occasionally to hit an open jumper. perdue and cartwright had 12 fouls to give and cartright hit the open baseline jumper. bj armstrong and paxson hit open 3's and everyone else played their roles. they were no super team. they had jordan and pippen. a superteam isn't 2 future hall of famers/current all stars and a bunch of role players. by that standard, what are the 2008 denver nuggets with iverson and Melo? bad coaching is responsible for a few bulls titles. how the fuk u got dan majerle guarding jordan in the finals. then karl doesn't put payton on jordan in 96 until game 4. sonics win 2 in a row and jordan shoots shiity the rest of the series. Sometimes it makes you question if coaches are involved with throwing games the way they are coached. Sorta like a certain coach we all know putting in a 60% free throw shooter to ice a game in the finals. but i can forgive that now haha.
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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
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TD 21
The only way '00 could not be considered a "great chance for a repeat", would be because of Duncan's injury. '04 was a great chance, too.
We lost DRob after '03. Big change and loss.
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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
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james evans
they had jordan and pippen. who else? grant was there for defense and occasionally to hit an open jumper. perdue and cartwright had 12 fouls to give and cartright hit the open baseline jumper. bj armstrong and paxson hit open 3's and everyone else played their roles. they were no super team. they had jordan and pippen. a superteam isn't 2 future hall of famers/current all stars and a bunch of role players. by that standard, what are the 2008 denver nuggets with iverson and Melo? bad coaching is responsible for a few bulls titles. how the fuk u got dan majerle guarding jordan in the finals. then karl doesn't put payton on jordan in 96 until game 4. sonics win 2 in a row and jordan shoots shiity the rest of the series. Sometimes it makes you question if coaches are involved with throwing games the way they are coached. Sorta like a certain coach we all know putting in a 60% free throw shooter to ice a game in the finals. but i can forgive that now haha.
Jordan=>LeBron
Pippen=Wade
Rodman=>Bosh
Armstrong
Kukoc
Kerr
All of these guys were much better than revisionists seem to imply. The Bulls didn't win 72 games by being lucky or having a system. If Mike is that good, he at least counts for 1.5 superstars.
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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
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DMC
Jordan=>LeBron
Pippen=Wade
Rodman=>Bosh
Armstrong
Kukoc
Kerr
All of these guys were much better than revisionists seem to imply. The Bulls didn't win 72 games by being lucky or having a system. If Mike is that good, he at least counts for 1.5 superstars.
i'll give you the 2nd 3 peat team as being a super team but that wasn't what we were discussing. the 1st 3 peat team was what we were talking about all along. i never mentioned the 2nd team cuz i agree they were a super team, but the 1st 3 peat(91-93) were not. 2nd 3 peat team had best 2g in league, best sf in league, best rebounder/defensive pf, one of the top 3 point shooters(kerr) and 6th man of the year. noone is dumb enough to argue that. but i still don't feel that was the best bulls team. no revisionist here. free agency was coming along and teams just got bad all of a sudden, plus the adding of 2 expansion teams. that 96 bulls team would not have beat the earlier bulls team cuz jordan was older. he was being hid on defense so much it's hilarious. pippen was at his best though. paxson is without a doubt leagues better than kerr. grant would have kept rodman out of the paint because he could consistently hit the open jumper. I give the edge to wennington and Longley over perdue/williams/cartrigh. and u have others that contributed. armstrong never played with the 2nd 3 peat team. they lost him in the expansion draft by leaving him unprotected. He was the first pick by toronto. randy brown took his spot during the 2nd 3 peat
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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
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Originally Posted by
DMC
No.
Spurs were never a super team. You don't draft yourself into super team status. That requires combining forces of known superstar talent like Shaq and Robert Horry.
82 draft 1st pick worthy
79 draft 1st pick magic
traded for kareem
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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
And all of those are from odd years. Thanks.
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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
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james evans
82 draft 1st pick worthy
79 draft 1st pick magic
traded for kareem
What's your point? Traded for Kareem... Do you not think that was an important piece or was Worthy that dominant? So you think Magic and Worthy were a super team but not Michael and Scotty?
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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
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DMC
What's your point? Traded for Kareem... Do you not think that was an important piece or was Worthy that dominant? So you think Magic and Worthy were a super team but not Michael and Scotty?
no magic, kareem and worthy were a super team. and scotty wasn't drafted to the bulls either. so both of us are wrong.
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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
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Aremid
Too late for Marion and Allen (but they would have been perfect here in a limited role). I think okafur is really solid. Blatch or bayless for ayers and joseph
Lmao @ Okafor. A guy who hasn't played a game in what, two years?
Bayless is inMilwaukee.
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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
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exstatic
We lost DRob after '03. Big change and loss.
Yet and still, if Fisher's shot doesn't count (and it shouldn't have, since it's impossible to catch-turn-and-shoot in .4, even in one motion), they most likely win the series in seven, almost certainly beat the Timberwolves and play a tossup series with the Pistons, against whom they had by far the best player and the home court.
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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
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james evans
no magic, kareem and worthy were a super team. and scotty wasn't drafted to the bulls either. so both of us are wrong.
You're an idiot.
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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
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DMC
Well no, he was traded to the Bulls by Seattle.
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Originally Posted by
DMC
Jordan=>LeBron
Pippen=Wade
Rodman=>Bosh
Armstrong
Kukoc
Kerr
All of these guys were much better than revisionists seem to imply. The Bulls didn't win 72 games by being lucky or having a system. If Mike is that good, he at least counts for 1.5 superstars.
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Originally Posted by
james evans
82 draft 1st pick worthy
79 draft 1st pick magic
traded for kareem
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Originally Posted by
DMC
What's your point? Traded for Kareem... Do you not think that was an important piece or was Worthy that dominant? So you think Magic and Worthy were a super team but not Michael and Scotty?
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Originally Posted by
james evans
no magic, kareem and worthy were a super team. and scotty wasn't drafted to the bulls either. so both of us are wrong.
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DMC
You're an idiot.
I see no reason to think you have any idea about this or that you gave it any thought.
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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
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TD 21
Yet and still, if Fisher's shot doesn't count (and it shouldn't have, since it's impossible to catch-turn-and-shoot in .4, even in one motion), they most likely win the series in seven, almost certainly beat the Timberwolves and play a tossup series with the Pistons, against whom they had by far the best player and the home court.
We probably would've lost to the 2004 Pistons in the Finals. We beat them in 2005, but Horry was off the chain in the Finals...we don't ring in 2005 without that performance.
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dmc is pissed. haha. go cry yourself to sleep clown.
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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
Man that Dunk Where Horry just flew and almost looked like he dislocated his shoulder... One the most thrilling momentous plays I ever witnessed.
He Made Big plays at the crucial moments.
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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
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TampaDude
We probably would've lost to the 2004 Pistons in the Finals. We beat them in 2005, but Horry was off the chain in the Finals...we don't ring in 2005 without that performance.
YES! I agree. We had Rasho starting and Hedo, next year we get Barry and Nazr who were a big part of the team, no way we beat Detroit and their frontline with that crap Rasho and Hedo out there playing (Softie if I have seen one mentally). People forget we had a trade to improve to actually match up with Detroit in Nazr, the year before we had Rasho starting. That Detroit team would have beaten us I fully believe, they were clicking and on a flat out mission.
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Yuixafun
Man that Dunk Where Horry just flew and almost looked like he dislocated his shoulder... One the most thrilling momentous plays I ever witnessed.
He Made Big plays at the crucial moments.
I thought there was no way he would land that dunk when he took off from out there but he got it in! I remember saying then he wants this game badly!
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Re: 0-4 at repeating; 2 of the losses bad breaks, 2 against super teams
I still think the Spurs would have had a 60/40 chance against Detroit. With home court advantage, I still would have picked the Spurs. I disagree with all you guys that say Detroit would have won for sure.
Also, Malone's knee injury bothered him quite a bit in that series against the Pistons and he wasn't able to play his best. If he was healthier, the Lakers may have still beaten Detroit even with Kobe playing like a complete twit. Kobe also kept jacking up shots while shooting near 40% from the field. It seemed like he was trying to prove some kind of point against Tayshaun Prince and ended up shooting the Lakers out of the series, all the while Shaq was shooting over 60% from the field and never got the ball. Don't get me wrong, I was going for the Pistons and they were very, very good, but the Lakers didn't do themselves any favours during that series.
