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I think he goes in under the international category, but it sure would be nice if he gets in under the "normal" category( what's it called anyway?). With that being said, I do have question about HOF inductions. Is it possible for a player who's inducted under the international category to ALSO get in under the "normal" category?
This isn't a debate. This isn't the NBA HOF, it's the basketball HOF. Manu is easily going to make it due to his entire body of work. I would bet everything on it.
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As everybody knows Manu is a lock for the HoF because of his entire body of work but even without his international accomplishments he would make it anyway, imho. Aside from his 4 rings, 6th men award, all-stars and all-NBA's Manu is an iconic player that was ahead of his time, as this Grantland article explains it:
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Although no one knew it at the time, “Emanuel” Ginobili would go down as one of the best second-round picks ever. Emanuel quickly became Manu and won over the hearts and minds of Spurs fans with his brand of play, which foreshadowed the future of NBA play; he was James Harden before James Harden. Ginobili is an attack-minded slasher who loves 3s, rim attacks, and free throws; he hated midrange shots before it was cool to hate them. Oh, and he brought the NBA the Eurostep, which early on in his career was often called a travel by NBA officials who didn’t know what to make of Ginobili’s signature move.
He popularized "flopping" too and is part of the winningest trio in the history of the game. We all know Manu is the "anti-stat padder" but on every relevent advanced metric he is way up-there (and by "way up-there" I mean top 10/20 of all-time. Just look it up) which kinda makes up for his lack of raw stats on NBA games.
"Weighing candidacies of Vince Carter, Joe Johnson, others on the Hall bubble"
Do we think Vince Carter is a hall of fame player?
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Not Lithuanian, 7"2 French center Fred Weis, in arguably the best dunk in the history of Basketball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMrPjl-927Q
:lol that article links to my youtube account :tuQuote:
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2 subscribers? Moving on up!Quote:
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don't expect many vids, tbh... wish I had more time to screw around with Final CutQuote:
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Big Shot ROB.
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Vince Carter - Yes
Joe Johnson - No, at least not yet. If he could win at least a ring then yes.
This is the kind of bullshit that exemplifies why Manu Ginobili will go down as THE MOST underrated player of all time. To debate Manu's HOF induction is straight up blasphemy. Manu Ginobili is THE hardest working self-sacrificing, and most dedicated player the NBA has EVER seen. Without him, the Spurs wouldn't have won 4 Championships from 2003-2014 or had the tremendous amount of success they enjoyed throughout those years.
This is why Spurs fan get so upset with the National Media. We have the best PG in the game in Tony Parker, and the best 2 guard in the game in Manu Ginobili and Tim Duncan gets ALL the credit. Tim is great but for the love of GOD can Manu and Tony get a little RESPECT? They're ALL-TIME GREATS FOR GOD'S SAKE.
I just saw someone named Sarunas Marciulionis get inducted to the HOF and be deemed "The greatest foreign player to ever play in the NBA" and I've never even heard of him. I checked and he's won exactly ZERO championships, possesses a grand total of 3 playoff appearances (only made it to the 2nd round ONCE) and his teams enjoyed limited, if any, success over the course of his ENTIRE career. And yet THIS guy made the Hall of Fame and ESPN wants to debate Manu Ginobili's induction. At this point it's just plain sickening and I never want to hear about how the Spurs get their fair amount of respect from the media when Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili are top 20 all-time players and yet won't even be recognized as top 50 all-time players when their careers are over.
agree with nono I expect the entire argentina team to get in, though manu will get in invidually too.
something that people dont mention in these discussions, which IMO is worth noting, is how unorthodox manu is. How many players in the past 20 years go around the back in the middle of an NBA game like manu does? add the between the legs dribbles and passes, the behind the backs and the crazy passing, and manu has a maravich like quality of playing a very unique style.
Does it matter if Manu and tony had a PED.....performance enhancing Duncan :rollin
US media seem to always forget that the HOF isn't the NBA HOF.
He preferred to be called Big Shot BOB. Horry said it many times and that's what they call him in the article.Quote:
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He corrected people when it first started and specifically said, "Rob, not Bob."
You're right. I just looked it up. I had it backwards must be getting old...:lolQuote:
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For players that are up for the Hall in most cases 99% of their careers occur in the NBA. Manu has played almost 1000 games in the NBA.. The media is judging them based on their largest sample size..Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
Manu is a lock. This 25% BS is just that Bullshit. Manu has Euro championships, Italian league championships, 4 NBA titles, a World Championship, an Olympic championship, Euro league MVP, Italian league MVP, NBA all-star. NBA 6th man, etc etc.
Throw out the Argentine play, he'd still make it in base on his Euro/Italian league and NBA play. The guy is a winner. Anyone who watches basketball knows the reason he has not scored a lot of points is because of Parker. That is why Manu's player rating blows Parker's out of the water. One for years was a ballhog until very recently, and the other was the consummate team player his whole career.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvydas_SabonisQuote:
Originally Posted by DMC
If Sabonis got in as a 1st ballot HOF, there is no doubt Manu is going to get in the same way.
Of course this was going to turn into a Manu vs Tony thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
Look, they're both getting into the HoF. First ballot each.
He needs to be in there just for the amount of huge shots he's hit. I know that's not usually a qualification but in his case it needs to be.Quote:
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I agree both deserve to go. But it is undeniable that Parker took a lot of touches away from Manu. I remember many of time Parker would completely ignore Manu when he was wide open. It just has been the past 3 years that Parker has been playing more team ball and lo and behold, 3 straight WCF and 2 Final appearances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seventyniner
There is no doubt that if Manu was the 1st or 2nd team option, he would have avg. numbers close to Chris Mullins back in his prime. Notice Parker wasn't out there in this game in the 4th or OT and the Spurs came back and Manu poured in 48 points against the Suns. I remember watching this game. Parker was a Spurs killer at time with his ball hogging.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uoGnzDLDAU