Manu is 1st ballot HoF and doesn't care about his stats. Why do you?
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Manu is 1st ballot HoF and doesn't care about his stats. Why do you?
This basically says it all.
Many would say Bosh is going to be a HOF. But if you look at his 36 mpg stats once he became the 3rd fiddle on a championship team, they are worse than Manu's. Problem with Manu is that he played Int'l BB every year he was with the Spurs until last year and this year. This imo led to a lot of injuries throughout his career that effected his seasonal play with the Spurs and why Pop rested him so much throughout the season. But come playoff time, Manu was the mano for the Spurs.
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Joe Johnson is not a hall of famer. I mean seriously.
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Originally Posted by BillMc
Don't feel bad. They called him BOB in the 22 Jump Street NBA commercials and he let it slide.
Manu is a 1st ballot HoF for sure, there is no reason for him not to be one, considering both his NBA and international accomplishments.
Parker has a stronger case with NBA accomplishments, but his international accomplishments doesn't compare to Manu's.
Bowen had the same role as Cooper, and Cooper didn't get in, so Bowen is not in there for me (and he shouldn't be).
Horry is about one of the most unique players in the history of the league, but he has never been a 1st, 2nd, 3rd or even 4th option on a championship winning team. He freelances, picks his spots, and nail huge shots throughout his career, like a John Paxon or a Steve Kerr on steroids who can defend and rebound, but he is a role player through and through, and no role players ever made the HoF (except those Celtics payers). He had no stats, no all star games, no all-nba teams, doesn't crack top 50 all time in anything, and the only individual accolade he ever had was making the All-Rookie 2nd team, so no, he shouldn't make it.
Manu also has the highest regular season winning percentage of all time, in games he played the Spurs won 578, lost only 217. That projects to an AVERAGE season of 60 wins over 10 seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
His playoff W/L is also among the best 117 wins, 63 losses. To compare, Jordan was 119 wins, 60 losses in playoffs.
* Manu also received 5 of 12 votes for 2005 NBA Finals MVP.
I'd put Horry in the hall before Bruce. i think what got what he deserved. Retired his jersey in San Antonio, but no HOF
Manu will be in the hall for this game alone. (And I haven't watched this in 10 years. Interesting to see the American rotations, etc. RJ getting more time than Lebron. Of course LBJ was like 19. Manu and D-wade going at it when they were young, just like how they've gone at it as old men the last 2 years.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV3xGflsz2o
Fuck b-r.com, they have Shawn Marion, Westbrook and Amare ahead of Manu when it comes to HoF probability. Wtf.
IIRC, they calculate it based on NBA stats... international accolades are not included, thus the discrepancy...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ginobili3
Ah I see. All-Star appearances mean that much though? Hard to believeQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I have a hard time believing Marion is even really a contender to the HOF. That said, I haven't read the article.
If NBA HOF had MLB HOF standards, I would say no, he doesn't make it. But. . .it's the NBA HOF. The standards are definitely a lot lower, so pretty much any well-known player is going to get in. Maybe not first shot, but they're getting in.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
NBA HOF almost needs tiers to it so they stop mentioning people like Vince Carter with Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbreiden83080
What carter did in his career to claim the HOF?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Rook of the year, 8x All Star, 1 Olympic gold medal... that's about it. He hold several franchise records on the Nets. He also scored 51 points twice in his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by polandprzem
Not a lot to go on, but he was a very marketable 'star' in a league that has always been desperate to hype individual talent.
I think that's what the 'first ballot' distinction is. It's also the Basketball HOF, not the NBA HOF. That's why it's not just NBA accolades that count.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kidd K
If they could just enshrine that Dunk Contest performance, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
It is the Hall of Fame after all, and Vince was one of the most famous players in the world for a good amount of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dex