So where are the militias/anti-government/open carry gun advocates in Missouri?

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Originally Posted by Aztecfan03

Listen to 2:00-2:10. Says he was shot and then turned around and the officer fired 7 more shots. SO according to the witness, that is at least one shot in the back.

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IDK what really happened but it's possible that the cop missed. Witness could have also been confused how many shots were fired before and after he turned around.

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Originally Posted by cantthinkofanything

IDK what really happened but it's possible that the cop missed. Witness could have also been confused how many shots were fired before and after he turned around.

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He did say once Brown felt the shot he turned around. It is possible the friend just thought or assumed it hit Brown.

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Originally Posted by pgardn

My question still stands.

Are you taking your wife and kid to protest knowing (from your facts) that the police have lost control?

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well according to reports the protesters have been tweeting "free gaza"

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Originally Posted by Trill Clinton

YES

last night was the 1st time they threw gas before the curfew. noone expected it.

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After all you have written about the bad cops leaving, good cops coming in, and then, chaos...
You are clearly irresponsible, you leave your wife and kids at home during chaotic situations.
You don't know what the police will do, you have indicated this already.

The answer is NO. For anyone who cares anyways.

Sooooo....people are being shot (not by police) but they are still supposed to wait until the official curfew starts to react?

Trill, get real.

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Originally Posted by DisAsTerBot

well according to reports the protesters have been tweeting "free gaza"

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Oh for gosh sakes...

This sounds like they want to be attacked by the police. It's the end of the summer, time to get back to school and refocus.
I think the point has been made. Can we please just let the justice system do its work...
Oh no, they let George and OJ loose, they can't be trusted...

Well heck, time to take up arms. Let's really militia this thing.
Just ridiculous.

It's quite interesting that people who have a real stake in this are being done such a huge disservice by rumor mongers, and the obstinate who already know all there is to know.

Focus on what is important. This side show ruins credibility.

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Originally Posted by Trill Clinton

i'd do the same thing if i saw women and children get bombarded with tear gas...i'm sure most men would..well, except you of course.

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Um....no.

Trill, can you explain to me what the rioting and looting is accomplishing and why you support it?

http://www.lawofficer.com/article/li...ain-ronald-s-j

An open letter to Captain Ronald Johnson

I have to call you out.

I don’t care what the media says. I expect them to get it wrong and they often do. But I expect you as a veteran law enforcement commander—talking about law enforcement—to get it right.

Unfortunately, you blew it. After days of rioting and looting, last Thursday you were given command of all law enforcement operations in Ferguson by Governor Jay Nixon. St. Louis County PD was out, you were in. You played to the cameras, walked with the protestors and promised a kinder, gentler response. You were a media darling. And Thursday night things were better, much better.
But Friday, under significant pressure to do so, the Ferguson Police released the name of the officer involved in the shooting of Michael Brown. At the same time the Ferguson Police Chief released a video showing Brown committing a strong-arm robbery just 10 minutes before he was confronted by Officer Darren Wilson.
Many don’t like the timing of the release of the video. I don’t like that timing either. It should have been released sooner. It should have been released the moment FPD realized that Brown was the suspect.
Captain Johnson, your words during the day on Friday helped to fuel the anger that was still churning just below the surface. St. Louis County Police were told to remain uninvolved and that night the rioting and looting began again. For much too long it went on mostly unchecked. Retired St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch tweeted that your “hug-a-looter” policy had failed.
Boy did it.
And your words contributed to what happened Friday night and on into the wee hours of Saturday. According to the St. Louis Post Dispatch, you said the following regarding the release of the video: “There was no need to release it,” Johnson said calling the reported theft and the killing entirely different events.
Well Captain, this veteran police officer feels the need to respond. What you said is, in common police vernacular—bullshit. The fact that Brown knew he had just committed a robbery before he was stopped by Officer Wilson speaks to Brown’s mindset. And Captain, the mindset of a person being stopped by a police officer means everything, and you know it.
Let’s consider a few examples:
On February 15, 1978 Pensacola Police Officer David Lee conducted a vehicle check. He didn’t know what the sole occupant of the vehicle had recently done, but the occupant did. Who was he? Serial killer Ted Bundy. Bundy attempted to disarm Lee. Lee was able to retain his firearm and eventually took Bundy into custody.
On April 19, 1995 Oklahoma State Trooper Charlie Hangar stopped a vehicle for minor traffic violations. He didn’t know that 90 minutes earlier the traffic violator, Timothy McVeigh, killed 168 people with a truck bomb at the Murrah Federal Building. But McVeigh sure knew it, didn’t he? Fortunately, given his training and experience Hangar was able to take McVeigh into custody for carrying a concealed firearm. It was days later before it was determined that McVeigh was responsible for the bombing.
On May 31, 2003 then-rookie North Carolina police officer, Jeff Postell, arrested a man digging in a trash bin on a grocery store parking lot—an infraction that would rise to about the level of jaywalking. Postell didn’t know that he had just captured Eric Rudolph, the man whom years earlier had killed and injured numerous people with bombs and was on the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted list.
So now, let’s consider Ferguson Officer Darren Wilson’s stop of Michael Brown. Apparently Wilson didn’t know that Brown had just committed a strong-arm robbery. But Brown did! And that Captain, is huge.
Allegedly, Brown pushed Wilson and attempted to take Wilson’s gun. We’re also being told that Officer Wilson has facial injuries suffered during the attempt by Brown to disarm him. Let’s assume for a moment those alleged acts by Brown actually occurred. Would Brown have responded violently to an officer confronting him about jaywalking? Maybe, but probably not.
Is it more likely that he would attack an officer believing that he was about to be taken into custody for a felony strong-arm robbery? Absolutely.
Officer Wilson survived the encounter with Brown as did Lee, Hangar, and Postell. Michael Brown didn’t survive and it’s too soon to say if Officer Wilson’s use of deadly force was justified and legal. You and I both know that not all officers survive such confrontations. Officers die in incidents like this Captain Johnson, including a couple that I remember from your own organization:
On April 15, 1985 Missouri Trooper Jimmie Linegar was shot and killed by a white supremacist he and his partner stopped at a checkpoint; neither Trooper Linegar nor his partner were aware that the man they had stopped had just been indicted by a federal grand jury for involvement in a neo-Nazi group accused of murder. The suspect immediately exited the vehicle and opened fire on him with an automatic weapon.
Just a month before, Missouri Trooper James M. Froemsdorf was shot and killed—with his own gun—after making a traffic stop. When the Trooper made that stop he didn’t know that the driver was wanted on four warrants out of Texas—But again the suspect knew it.
So Captain Johnson, I guess the mindset and recently committed crimes of the suspects that murdered those Missouri Troopers didn’t mean anything. The stops by the Troopers, as you have said, are entirely different events right?
Bullshit.

Just read that Brown could have been in a drug induced fury when he charged the officer.

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Originally Posted by cantthinkofanything

Just read that Brown could have been in a drug induced fury when he charged the officer.

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Where did you read this?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Where did you read this?

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they are discussing it upstairs at the Club.

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Originally Posted by cantthinkofanything

they are discussing it upstairs at the Club.

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Yeah, we know you made it up.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Yeah, we know you made it up.

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ugh...I'm tired of posting. but you should continue to defend Michael Brown at all costs.

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Originally Posted by cantthinkofanything

ugh...I'm tired of posting. but you should continue to defend Michael Brown at all costs.

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Straw man.

Just stop lying.

Anything about Browns drug use or non use would be pure speculation at this point until official autopsy results come back.

Logically, however, it's not that far fetched that a convenience store robbing street punk like Brown would also be a drug user.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Straw man.

Just stop lying.

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:downspin:

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Anything about Browns drug use or non use would be pure speculation at this point until official autopsy results come back.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Logically, however, it's not that far fetched that a convenience store robbing street punk like Brown would also be a drug user.

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Why are people compelled to speculate?

And lie?

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Originally Posted by cantthinkofanything

Just read that Brown could have been in a drug induced fury when he charged the officer.

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yes, the corrupt cops, always criminalizing their victims while LYING about their murdering cops, have leaked that Brown could have been BUI (black under the influence)

White Juries Are Not Kind to Black Defendants

What the authors discover is that all white juries are 16% more likely to convict black defendants than white defendants but the presence of just a single black person in the jury pool equalizes conviction rates by race.

The effect is large and remarkably it occurs even when the black person is not picked for the jury.

The latter may not seem possible but the authors develop an elegant model of voir dire that shows how using up a veto on a black member of the pool shifts the characteristics of remaining pool members from which the lawyers must pick; that is, a diverse jury pool can make for a more “ideologically” balanced jury even when the jury is not racially balanced.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...ack-defendants

"if you haven't done anything wrong (and aren't black), you have nothing to worry about" :lol

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Sooooo....people are being shot (not by police) but they are still supposed to wait until the official curfew starts to react?

Trill, get real.

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http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chor...53575526.0.jpg

A police officer watches over protesters in Ferguson, Missouri. (Scott Olson / Getty Images News)

Look at his shoulder patch. He isn't in the army.

While I don't condone looting, one has to wonder if the ham-handed response isn't contributing to the chaos.

dang, that's a nice rig.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/...UST_11_Pol.JPG

Not helping.

(edit--jeez... look closely at the mail box, esp. the blur)