Pat Robertson Calls For Assassination Of Hugo Chavez

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

I think his apology was a more thought out response after he realized how his words sounded yesterday. The thing is, the more thought out response isn't what he really felt. No, what is really in his head was pretty much uttered in an unadulterated way yesterday.

He reconsidered what he said based on the consequences.

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He wouldn't have recanted that statement of his own voilition because he's too much of a horses ass...I think he got piled on by his own constituency...His comments are totally unacceptable for a religious leader.


He loses any credibility he might have in being critical of the stance of Hate preaching Mullahs that call for Bush's head.

And even worse...he made Chavez come off like the good guy.


The guy is an idiot and he did no one any favors with those comments....

Suppose some idiot Christian kills Chavez now...How is that going to look for his faith, America...etc?


If someone does kill Chavez because of Robertson's incitement, Robertson needs to be deported or imprisoned....just like the Mullahs.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

I think his apology was a more thought out response after he realized how his words sounded yesterday. The thing is, the more thought out response isn't what he really felt. No, what is really in his head was pretty much uttered in an unadulterated way yesterday.

He reconsidered what he said based on the consequences.

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So you've never made a statement in your life that you've had to retract or modify? Well let me tell you that if you've ever retracted or modified anything, you actually meant what you originally said and lied after that. :rolleyes

You won't give him the benefit of the doubt why?




I learned tough lessons many years ago and that was not to put too much trust in anyone. People I love and looked up to with great admiration said or did things that were crushing, some time and time again.

I learned the hard way, like most of us do, that human love for one another isn't a perfect thing so I no longer trust or mistrust the ones I love. Maybe instead of mistrust I just lowered expectations. I take what each day brings and if it's a day of trustworthiness great, if not, no big deal, we're human and susceptible to failure and tomorrow's another day.

Most people have something positive to add to the lives of others. Glean and learn from the good in people, and don't make a big deal of their weaknesses or failures.

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Originally Posted by jochhejaam

So you've never made a statement in your life that you've had to retract or modify? Well let me tell you that if you've ever retracted or modified anything, you actually meant what you originally said and lied after that. :rolleyes

You won't give him the benefit of the doubt why?

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chode
1. he said it on HIS TAPED tv show
2. he's crazy this isnt the first crazy thing he's said
CBN is total bullshit, have you ever watched it?

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Originally Posted by mookie2001

dam even TRO doesnt go the cbn.com

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I don't go there often but I'm betting his the hits on his website have doubled or so recently.

Who's tro

Jocche...will you forgive Usama if he says he made a mistake?

He didn't actually kill anyone...he just incited it.


It's funny because I know I've heard Pat Robertson ripping on Charles Manson and saying he should be put to death...

Charles Manson didn't kill anyone either...he just incited it...just like Robertson.


Pat Robertson is a fucking tool.


This guy showed his ass and he needs to take it like a man...he gets no excuses for his comments.

i could see if he said it a bar while drinking beer with his friends and didnt know he was being taped

the ressurrected one
havent seen him in a while
he makes whottt look like howard dean

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Originally Posted by flash gordon

thats 2 broken commandments he has advocated in 2 days.....'ol pat is on a roll.

tomorrow he's gonna say lets sleep with chavez' wife and steal his oil.

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Have to throw this in flash. The problem is not in breaking the Commandments, the problem is in breaking them and not caring that you broke them

Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?"Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times. Matthew 18:21-22
That's not numerically specific, that's just to say as often as needed.

He made a mistake and admitted it, that's all he can do.

ive said some pretty wild, stupid, bullshit shit

but if i had a tv show that was pretaped i would watch it before hand and see if it contained anything as stupid as what he said

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Originally Posted by whottt

Jocche...will you forgive Usama if he says he made a mistake?

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Hypothetical and won't happen whottt so I can't honestly answer that.

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He didn't actually kill anyone...he just incited it.
It's funny because I know I've heard Pat Robertson ripping on Charles Manson and saying he should be put to death...
Charles Manson didn't kill anyone either...he just incited it...just like Robertson.

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Robertson incited dialogue, Manson incited murder. Bad parallel

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This guy showed his ass and he needs to take it like a man...he gets no excuses for his comments.

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I agree, if you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. I haven't defended his statement. I'm glad he retracted it.

I think people are overreacting to this. Obviously, Christian televangelists shouldn't say such things...but come on guys...if you look deep in your heart, aren't there at least one or two people you'd plug if you had the chance. I would personally have taken out Hitler, Stalin, Edie Amin, and Pol Pot. And I'd have no moral qualms about it whatsoever, so don't try to appeal to my inner Christian.

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Originally Posted by mookie2001

chode
1. he said it on HIS TAPED tv show
2. he's crazy this isnt the first crazy thing he's said
CBN is total bullshit, have you ever watched it?

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It's been a long time since I've watched it with any regularity, maybe 15 or so years. Back in the day when he had some man named Ben something on the show with him.
I enjoyed it back then.

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American Wealth? No...American Weath is gained by being an entrepreneur...

Was Manu Ginobili born into wealth?

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You're talking extremely rare instances.

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He made the bulk of his money by leading investment groups where others supplied the capital and he got the group together...

He made most of his money of the Texas Rangers...and the group he put together didn't have a lot to do with his father...

The rest of his money he made in the Government...You should applaud that...that's the Socialist way of doing it.

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And you're saying that being the presidents/vice presidents(depends at which point in time) had nothing to do with his success. Don't you think the investors loved being in bed with the presidents son. I don't believe he would have survived all his youthful indescretions politically, if not for his daddy's name.

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And I am starting to get a clearer picture here....

It's not the concept of the Rich you have a problem with...it's that you don't think you can be one of them...

Tough shit...

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I am fine with my place in the world, but not everyone is, and that is my problem. The rich horde all the money at the expense of the poor. I have no desire to be rich, and if it happened, I would certainly use it to cause a big change in the lives of as many as possible. Some of you people try to argue jealousy when someone disagrees with your POV.

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So in reality it's not that I raise the level of height a human can be...I lower it.

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So all the wealth being in the hands of the few doesn't in any way make the masses more poor, I think otherwise. It's like some people think that there is a limitless supply of money and everyone in the world could all be filthy rich at the same time, and that is just wrong.

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Who was it that went and bailed out the fucking Tsunami victims while the rest of the world was sitting there witht heir thumbs up their asses?

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The kind people of several countries including this one, and including myself.

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Who has pioneered pharmaceutical and scientiffic development ushering in a technological century in which we advanced more than in all other the other centuries combined...ditto for quality of living?

The Capitalists.

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Good point. A benefit of capatilism is medical progress. Money tends to be a better motivating factor than goodwill. I don't dislike capatilism in theory, but I would prefer a modified capatilism with more social programs.

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It damn sure doesn't say Socialism is the solution. It just say money isn't the most important thing...a good message...but not one that proclaims Socialism as the guiding light...and Socialism damn sure doesn't embrace religion either.

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Don't believe it says anything about socialism, but it seems to me that by the teachings of Jesus would lean more towards socialism then capatilism. Again I'm not religious, so I am no authority on the matter.

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Originally Posted by cecil collins

You're talking extremely rare instances.

And you're saying that being the presidents/vice presidents(depends at which point in time) had nothing to do with his success. Don't you think the investors loved being in bed with the presidents son. I don't believe he would have survived all his youthful indescretions politically, if not for his daddy's name.

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Bill Gates is the wealthiest man in the World...he was a college dropout.

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The rich horde all the money at the expense of the poor. I have no desire to be rich, and if it happened, I would certainly use it to cause a big change in the lives of as many as possible. Some of you people try to argue jealousy when someone disagrees with your POV.

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Ahh I see...so you advocate stealing what you lack the capability to earn...

That's criminal.

In Socialist countries the government holds all the wealth...the wealth lies in the hands of even fewer people.

And there is zero chance of altering that...and you don't even get the opportunity.

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So all the wealth being in the hands of the few doesn't in any way make the masses more poor, I think otherwise. It's like some people think that there is a limitless supply of money and everyone in the world could all be filthy rich at the same time, and that is just wrong.

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Hey motherfucker...you just said you don't mind being poor...


You lack to the motivation to become wealthy...so your solution is to steal from those who don't?

What if someone wants to be fucking homeless...you advocate punishing those that don't?

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Good point. A benefit of capatilism is medical progress. Money tends to be a better motivating factor than goodwill. I don't dislike capatilism in theory, but I would prefer a modified capatilism with more social programs.

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And I'll give this coup Socialism...the emphasis it places on education is a huge positive...but it's nothing that can't be incorporated into a Capitalist system.

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Don't believe it says anything about socialism, but it seems to me that by the teachings of Jesus would lean more towards socialism then capatilism. Again I'm not religious, so I am no authority on the matter.

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Well a lot of people seem to think the bible advocates being destitute...it most certainly does not...

What it says is god helps those that help themselves....

Socialism punishes those that help themselves and it helps those that have no desire to help themselves.

It's not a good system...we aren't fucking ants.


Like I said...if you are so in love with Socialism...I seriously reccomend you going to a Socialist Country...


If you want to give up your freedom then do so...but why do you want to steal the freedom, the property, and the intellect of others?

You see...you can't be a Capitalist in a Socialist Society...but you can be a Socialist in a Capitalist Society...you'll just be miserable one.

I'm not miserable, just not entirely satisfied. I don't care about being poor, and I don't know where your confusion with that lies, explain. Also, I never said anything about stealing, please explain how you read that. I was saying that people think that capatilism means that either you are rich or lazy, and that is untrue. I don't have the want to be rich, and I am not lazy. I don't work terribly hard to earn someone else a buck, but that's my perrogative.

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He's the leader of the Democratic Party...

He has more political pull and voter backing in that party than any other person.

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:lol

Anyone who thinks that Michael Moore runs the Democratic Party is deranged and needs to quit listening to right-wing radio for awhile.

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Originally Posted by whottt

Republicandestino makes a good point...

I'd be willing to bet that most of the liberal wealth is silver spoon/married wealth. And the conservative wealth is entrepreneureal.

Bush earned his wealth more legitimately than Kerry....who married it.

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Let's examine some of W's business deals before becoming TX Governor:

:lol

Arbusto.....bankrupt...W's company, set up by Dad, specialized in digging dry holes.

Harken....bankrupt...another business deal set up by Dad that went wrong, but this time W was able to cash out hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of stock options a few days before the Harken fall, no SEC investigation was ever launched thanks to daddy.

Texas Rangers...turned a $400,000 investment into a $5+million dollar investment in a matter of months due in large part to the owner of Clear Channel Communications over-paying for the team. No favors involved there, right?

Yes, W was a hard working entrepreneur who turned flailing companies like, well, none, around. In fact, prior to becoming TX Governor, W managed to bankrupt every company he ever worked for and every business deal his Dad set up for him. Yeah, that's not being born with a silver spoon in your mouth though

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

Let's examine some of W's business deals before becoming TX Governor:

:lol

Arbusto.....bankrupt...W's company, set up by Dad, specialized in digging dry holes.

Harken....bankrupt...another business deal set up by Dad that went wrong, but this time W was able to cash out hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of stock options a few days before the Harken fall, no SEC investigation was ever launched thanks to daddy.

Texas Rangers...turned a $400,000 investment into a $5+million dollar investment in a matter of months due in large part to the owner of Clear Channel Communications over-paying for the team. No favors involved there, right?

Yes, W was a hard working entrepreneur who turned flailing companies like, well, none, around. In fact, prior to becoming TX Governor, W managed to bankrupt every company he ever worked for and every business deal his Dad set up for him. Yeah, that's not being born with a silver spoon in your mouth though

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Hey...I already said he was a failed Oil man...

But what he did with the Rangers was legitimate....he took them from being a defacto minor league team to being a legitimate franchise... laid the foundation for the best era in team history and the only era they were truly a winner.



He hired the right people, resigned the big name FA's for the first time in team history, and he marketed the team well. He turned them into a winner and then used fan support to get the taxpayers to build a new stadium and supercharge the value of the franchise.

It's just ignorant to claim his Dad had anything to do with that success story. He pulled that one off on his own. And believe it or not...the Rangers are better off for W having owned them...that still stands as the highmark in team history.

The rest of it he got out of politics....like other politicians.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

:lol

Anyone who thinks that Michael Moore runs the Democratic Party is deranged and needs to quit listening to right-wing radio for awhile.

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I don't listen to right wing radio and to the best of my knowledge the right generally regards him as an extremist...but the fact is that he isn't percieved as an extreme lefty by America...he represents the loudest voice of the Democratic party.


Now maybe he's not saying much anymore...but most of the Democrats I see are saying the exact same things he says....

Dan...you are a fucking extremist under most definitions...but you aren't extreme for a Democrat nowdays...you are no longer even the most extreme lefty on this forum. boutons has kicked your ass in the crazy lefty department.

You can say Michael Moore isn't the face of the Democratic Party...but the fact is he took a big piss on your party in this past election and marked it as his territory, and it's up to the Crats to extricate themselves from that perception...I don't think ya'll can do it because I think most of ya'll share his views. And as long as that perception exists, the moderates, which represent most of America, are going to tilt to the right. Then again...Pat Robertson may end up giving the crats a lot of help...but it's ultimately going to be up to who your candidate is.


Look...the American people are not Oil hungry intentionally...they aren't fascists...but they also aren't wacked out lefties either...they'll embrace a good candidate from either party...but the left has to show something better on terrorism than appeasing it, sympathizing with it...and seeing America as the bad guy. No one is going to vote for a candiate that sees America as the bad guy. Figure it out.

"he represents the loudest voice of the Democratic party. "

BS. He made a couple of HUMOUROUS films, so he and his films are famous.

Although it's clear you wish he'd shut the fuck up with his dissent so America would have fewer voices and points of view different from your extreme right, xenophobic, chauvinist radicalism, he's in no way "loud" or in any way officially representing Dem party.

The funniest thing about Micheal Moore is that conservatives care so much more about him than liberals do.

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Originally Posted by jochhejaam

So you've never made a statement in your life that you've had to retract or modify? Well let me tell you that if you've ever retracted or modified anything, you actually meant what you originally said and lied after that. :rolleyes

You won't give him the benefit of the doubt why?

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It goes way beyond that. I won't give Robertson the benefit of the doubt for two reasons: (1) his retraction was insincere; and (2) this is not the first time he's said something stupid.

I don't think Robertson's retraction was sincere. I deduce that primarily because the retraction you cite was his second shot at it. Initially, rather than own up to the stupidity of his statement, he contended that the media had misinterpreted his comments. Only after the media reported the precise context of Robertson's initial statements, and showed that he was full of crap in trying to pass the buck, did Robertson finally retract the statement and acknowledge that it was both asinine and immoral. And at that, his retraction was far from unconditional. I seriously doubt that Robertson thinks there was anything wrong with what he initially said.

More than that, Robertson repeatedly puts his foot in his mouth by openly advocating for harm to others. The one that strikes closest to home for me is the story about his 2003 "prayer offensive," which essentially prayed for worsening health of three Supreme Court justices (one who is old, one who has cancer, and one who has a heart condition), in the hope that it would cause them to retire from the Bench. Robertson was given sufficient rope to hang himself in that instance, and did it. I truly believe that Robertson is quite cool with harm befalling humans who disagree with his vision of a theocratic American state.

Maybe it's just me, but I find most of what Robertson says and preaches to be repugnant to the basic tenets of Christian religion . . . .

exacty. Grand Mullah Roberston has used his pulpit to spew so much inflammatory, outrageous bile that he way past excusing.

I put him in the same boat at Jean-Marie Le Pen, a right-wing rabble-rouser in France who, among many such comments, belittled the Nazi/Jewish Holocaust as a "small detail of history". Denying the Holocaust France is actually explicitly illegal.


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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

The funniest thing about Micheal Moore is that conservatives care so much more about him than liberals do.

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Translation: The funniest thing about Michael Moore is that conservatives care so much more about getting elected than liberals do.




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You and Nbadan are full of shit...the Democrats tried to ride that film and it's rhetoric into the whitehouse and they failed at it...and now they have to deal with the reprecussions....


Don't even say that the Democrats weren't trying to ride this guy for everything he is worth in the last election...it's just a flat out lie to deny it.


And don't say the Republicans are the reason for this perception...sitting the guy next to an Ex-President at your convention is what is responsible for that appearance...

And not only was it a stupid thing to do imagewise...

But since the Carter era was just about the worst of the last 50 years...it wasn't like Carter conjured up fond memories for Joe Public.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

The funniest thing about Micheal Moore is that conservatives care so much more about him than liberals do.

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exactly
nobody would ever mention his ass if it wasnt for whottt

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Originally Posted by mookie2001

exactly
nobody would ever mention his ass if it wasnt for whottt

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I don't blame the Democrats for trying to distance themselves from their mistakes, in fact I think it's the right thing to do...they just aren't doing a very good job of it. Why? Because the good Democrats are the minority...or gone.


And the majority of them now are people that got their knowledge of history from googling left wing blogs.


It's Michael Moore's party now...and you are his peasantry.

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Uh, I think comparing Hugo Chavez to Jesus Christ is a bit of a stretch....

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

Uh, I think comparing Hugo Chavez to Jesus Christ is a bit of a stretch....

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no kidding :lmao :lmao :lmao

If you want to debate Hugo Chavez go ahead, but fair warning that much of the news we hear coming out of Venzuela these days has about the same level of credibility of the intelligence we were getting from Iraq after 911.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

If you want to debate Hugo Chavez go ahead, but fair warning that much of the news we hear coming out of Venzuela these days has about the same level of credibility of the intelligence we were getting from Iraq after 911.

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That's awfully non-commital on you Dan....


There are a lot of Democratic positives about Chavez...why aren't you on the Chavez bandwagon?

1.Hates America
2.Is Pro-Terrorist
3.Socialism is the only way
4.Celebrated the 911 attacks.
5.Helping Radical Muslims get passports.

Sounds like a good Democratic Presidential Candidate if you ask me.

And there's even some lesser reasons for a Democrat to like him...

6.Is taxing the crap out of big oil.
7.Breaking contracts with them.


And even some reasons you could be touting him to Republicans:

7.Pouring a ton of money into the educational system of Venezuela.
8.Rebuilding Venzuela's infrastructure.


I really don't understand why you aren't embracing him more fully...

Afraid of what the future holds in store for the Venzuelan People and the rest of South America, perhaps?


Commit Dan...let's see you lay your political acumen on the line here...


"Socialism is the only way"(to pave the way for a communist dictatorship)

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Chavez to seek legal action against Pat Robertson and may even seek legal extradition. Wouldn't it be something to see Robertson wheeled to Venezuela if he was found guilty.

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CARACAS, Venezuela, Aug 28 (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said on Sunday his government would take legal action against Pat Robertson and potentially seek his extradition after the U.S. evangelist called for Washington to assassinate the South American leader.

Robertson, who later apologized for the remark, said he was expressing his frustration with Chavez's constant accusations against the administration of President George W. Bush.

"I announce that my government is going to take legal action in the United States ... to call for the assassination of a head of state is an act of terrorism." Chavez said in a televised speech.

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"We could offer him free psychiatric treatment ... but he could be a lost case" Chavez said sarcastically of Robertson and controversial statements the conservative commentator has made in the past.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

Chavez to seek legal action against Pat Robertson and may even seek legal extradition. Wouldn't it be something to see Robertson wheeled to Venezuela if he was found guilty.



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"We could offer him free psychiatric treatment ... but he could be a lost case" Chavez said sarcastically of Robertson and controversial statements the conservative commentator has made in the past.

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extradite Roberts? :lmao :lmao Is this Chavez guy a clown or what? I guess he doesn't realize that the United States is not a dictatorship. The whole 'free speech thing' must be lost on poor Hugo. (and maybe even you Dan)

I'm all for free speech, just not threatening people while millions of people are watching and then later issueing a less than sincere apology for having done so.

Chavez has huge huevos.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

Chavez has huge huevos.

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Yeah sure, Chavez is the man! :depressed

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6.Is taxing the crap out of big oil.
7.Breaking contracts with them.

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Fuck Yeah. I'm sure the contracts were much to the favor of big oil. These multinational corporations make a killing off the resources of the poorer countries, and sometimes you need someone to step up and put a stop to it. How are these countries going to thrive when the resources are all being exploited by the big bullies.

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And even some reasons you could be touting him to Republicans:

7.Pouring a ton of money into the educational system of Venezuela.
8.Rebuilding Venzuela's infrastructure.

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Actually, as far as I know, Bush's administration gives less funding(more BS jibber jabber) to public education. If Bush had his way, charter schools would be predominant: what a douche.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

I'm all for free speech, just not threatening people while millions of people are watching and then later issueing a less than sincere apology for having done so.

Chavez has huge huevos.

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eggs?
:lol

If Chavez isn't careful, he's gonna make himself look like the bad guy again.

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Originally Posted by smeagol

Yeah sure, Chavez is the man! :depressed

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On again, we didn't vote for him. Venezuela did.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

On again, we didn't vote for him. Venezuela did.

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What does the Venezuelans voting for Chavez have to do with anything?

You keep giving this idiot props and I keep telling you he is an ignorant guy who happens to be lucky enough to run a country full of oil with oil at $70.

I still want to know what Dan means when he says Chavez has huge "huevos".
Dan, did you mean to say "cahones"?

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Originally Posted by Jelly

I still want to know what Dan means when he says Chavez has huge "huevos".
Dan, did you mean to say "cahones"?

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Huge balls, or guts (according to Dan...)

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Originally Posted by Jelly

I still want to know what Dan means when he says Chavez has huge "huevos".
Dan, did you mean to say "cahones"?

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Same difference.

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Originally Posted by Bandit2981

Same difference.

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No man. One means eggs and the other means balls. Big difference. Does Chavez have huge eggs or huge balls? Attention to detail people.

Balls are called huevos in Spanish too...I am not sure if that is the way the word is spelled though. It's pronounced wevos...

Wow, if this is attention to detail, I'd rather not. You know what he means, so can we stop this slippage into to shit river.

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Originally Posted by cecil collins

Wow, if this is attention to detail, I'd rather not. You know what he means, so can we stop this slippage into to shit river.

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Please. This whole thread is nothing but shit river. I'm just having some fun with Dan (who by the way, takes himself way too seriously.) Who gives a rat's ass what Pat Robertson says? Is there one person on this forum who defends Pat Robertson. Was this thread ever meant to be thought inspiring or provocative in any way? Give me a break.
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I think conservatives are just trying to distance themselves with him. Someones gotta like him, or why the hell is he on TV 3 times a day with a show.

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Originally Posted by cecil collins

I think conservatives are just trying to distance themselves with him. Someones gotta like him, or why the hell is he on TV 3 times a day with a show.

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Because you, Dan and others are tuning into him so you can use him to bash others that don't agree with you through guilt by association. I can't believe this thread is still going. Has anyone defended what he said? Does anyone like him here? No? Then STFU about him. You only fuel people like him by constantly bringing up such a dead issue.

Huevos=balls=cojones=pelotas=nuts=bolas=testiculos =saco de huevas

Everybody clear now?

Like I said before, Hugo Chavez has huge huevos.

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CARACAS (AFP) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez offered to send food and fuel to the United States after the powerful Hurricane Katrina pummeled the US south, ravaging US crude production.

The leftist leader, a frequent critic of the United States and a target himself of US disapproval, said Venezuela could send aid workers with drinking water, food and fuel to US communities hit by the hurricane.

"We place at the disposition of the people of the United States in the event of shortages -- we have drinking water, food, we can provide fuel," Chavez told reporters.

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The US should take him up on his offer. Lets start with cheap gas at all Citgo stores in the area.

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Originally Posted by Useruser666

Because you, Dan and others are tuning into him so you can use him to bash others that don't agree with you through guilt by association. I can't believe this thread is still going. Has anyone defended what he said? Does anyone like him here? No? Then STFU about him. You only fuel people like him by constantly bringing up such a dead issue.

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Conservatives continue to say that he is irrelevant, but that is hooey. Just admit he holds some influence, and you will be right that there is no debate. People are not fueled by being bashed unless someone likes them. Name one time that a guy who nobody supported or liked, and was consistently made fun of and bashed, had his own show, on TV 3 times a day.

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Originally Posted by cecil collins

Conservatives continue to say that he is irrelevant, but that is hooey. Just admit he holds some influence, and you will be right that there is no debate. People are not fueled by being bashed unless someone likes them. Name one time that a guy who nobody supported or liked, and was consistently made fun of and bashed, had his own show, on TV 3 times a day.

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Uh, who said I'm a conservative? How about Jerry Springer? You are promoting him in the same ways. Why talk about people who's opinions mean jack shit, and whose soul source of power is grown from media exposure.

Jerry Springer does have a following, sad but true.

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Originally Posted by cecil collins

Jerry Springer does have a following, sad but true.

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Exactly, and I take the things he says with the same grain of salt.

User...just in case you aren't familiar with Cecil's posts...

This is guy is an admitted pinko commie motherfucker...who thinks the world would be a better place if Castro ruled us all...

Basically, if you make money he resents you...he thinks that since he isn't able to figure out how to use the opportunities afforded to him by this country, that you shouldn't be able too either.....

So you might as well save your breath...unless you want to go and nationalize all the industry in this country, thus stealing it from the those who built it and slaughtering them in the process...You two are probably not going to find much common ground.

He's an unabashed commie...

And also an American, who has differing opinions, and you don't sound too respectful...unless being a motherfucker is a good thing where you come from. Why so angry Whott, are you still scared of the big bad commies?

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Originally Posted by cecil collins

Why so angry Whott, are you still scared of the big bad commies?

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Not scared of individual commies like yourself....only when there are a bunch of them....

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.

Hence the danger of the US government.

Okay...you do scare me...