So we already know that Kyle ceiling is at least to replace Manu...
but can he better than that and replace Tim Duncan ? Imagine Duncan with a 3 pt shoot and the intangibles and passings skill of Manu... Spurs are set for a new dynasty
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So we already know that Kyle ceiling is at least to replace Manu...
but can he better than that and replace Tim Duncan ? Imagine Duncan with a 3 pt shoot and the intangibles and passings skill of Manu... Spurs are set for a new dynasty
:lol
The baits:lmao
Man wtf? Let him play the season yet... WTF NO ONE CAN REPLACE MY BELOVED MANU AND NOW YOU THINK HE CAN REPLACE THE GOD OF SPURS? WTF GNSF
Magic Johnson without the AIDS, IMO
BNSF...
You're gonna end up changing your handle to "100%anderson" in a couple of years. Just watch. This kid's gonna be good.Quote:
Originally Posted by 100%duncan
MYGOD DIDNT U READ MY POST? NO ONE WILL REPLACE TIMMY. OR MANU. OR TONY. OR KAWHI. OR MENGKE. No one!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
If no one replaces them, then who is playing for the spurs after they retire?Quote:
Originally Posted by 100%duncan
So trolling is like group wanking among BNSF
I doubt anyone has the talent to replace either one of them, but I think Kyle will be a really good player for the Spurs in his own right.
Somebody please put my mind at ease. I know the Summer League isn't the best sample size, but he seemed tremendously bad on the defensive end, and I didn't see much from him that made up for it. I'd like to know why you believe he will be a good contributor.
I think him and Kawhi can become the Jordan/Pippen duo of the 2k10s.
Maybe.
You know what everyone likes? Fromage Blanc.
He wasn't bad on defense, and he looked good on offense. I don't think he fits the Spurs as much as people think, however. The team needs players who are smart and unselfish, not 6-8 guys who dominate the ball. Kyle's gonna have to learn to be a non-PG. He can do that, but we don't know how that will look.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Freemason Jr.
i think Anderson played some especially good d in that overtime sl game with the wizards. He's gonna have some growing pains. But if he does a good job of becoming the Diaw clone, he's going to be great. Diancan, Splitterson, Daynes.
Don't mean to hijack your thread but does anyone know if KA is in town yet? I could have sworn I saw him last night at Huebner Oaks shopping center.
Oh look, birds dancing!
http://media3.giphy.com/media/7n4VV6UzznxyE/giphy.gif
Best case: Manu
Worst case: MJ
http://zagsblog.com/articles/tyson-c...pro-prospects/
Tyson Chandler, Steve Alford, Jabari Parker Talk Kyle Anderson’s Pro Prospects
December 20th, 2013 10:28 am
NEW YORK — Much has been made about Kyle Anderson’s pro potential, with ESPN’s Chad Ford telling SNY.tv that the 6-foot-9 Anderson is “the most confusing player to project.”
But count Knicks center Tyson Chandler among those who think Anderson has a place in the NBA.
“He’s a big guy and I’m not for sure what position he would be in the league, I’m not sure he could play the point,” Chandler told SNY.tv exclusively after Anderson went for 15 points, 10 rebounds and 7 assists in UCLA’s 80-63 loss to Duke at Madison Square Garden.
“But just like the kid out of Syracuse is showing, Michael Carter-Williams, showing that big guys can still play the point and still have a place in this league….It just depends on how [Anderson] continues to develop. He has a little time to develop.”
The 6-foot-5 Carter Williams is averaging 17.7 points, 7.3 assists and 5.8 rebounds for the Philadelphia 76ers.
For his part, Anderson is averaging close to a triple-double at UCLA — 13.9 points, 8.8 rebounds and 6.7 assists against 3.1 turnovers per game. Playing in his first game at Madison Square Garden as a collegian, Anderson was very impressive, going for 15 points, 10 rebounds and 7 assists, with 6 turnovers.
Opinions are mixed on where he will be drafted and what his role in the NBA will be. NBADraft.net projects Anderson as the No. 29 pick in the 2014 Draft, while DraftExpress.com has him at No. 55.
Kyle Anderson Sr. told SNY.tv his son is definitely coming out after this season.
“He’s unique because there just aren’t a lot of guys that size who can play the point,” UCLA coach Steve Alford told SNY.tv. “For instance, his turnovers today I didn’t think had anything to do with fullcourt pressure. Most of his turnovers were in transition where he just had a loose handle and got tired and that could’ve been on me.
“You look at his numbers, as far as how much he has the ball in his hands, his assists, his turnovers and he’s shooting the ball much better. I just think he’s a unique player that you don’t see very often. To have a 6-9 point guard, I know it’s helped us because you make people think about how they’re going to match up to you right away having a guy like that.”
Who is Anderson in the NBA?
Chad Ford said Boris Diaw is the closest comparison he could come up with.
Hall of Fame St. Anthony coach Bob Hurley — who went 65-0 with two New Jersey Tournament of Champions titles and one mythical national championship with Anderson running the point — once told SNY.tv Anderson is a “modern-day Magic Johnson.”
“If you look at over history, there haven’t been a lot of guys over 6-8 running the point,” Alford said. “I do think he’s a point guard. He may not defend the point guard, but there’s a lot of guys that can play one position and defend another position, but from an offensive standpoint I think he’s definitely a point guard.”
He added: “I don’t know if he’ll end up being a guy that guards the point guard, but he can definitely do it offensively.”
Duke’s Jabari Parker, the potential No. 1 pick in the NBA Draft, also came away impressed with Anderson.
“Oh yeah, he’s an exceptional player, especially his 6-9 frame and being able to handle the ball,” Parker said. “That’s something that I look up to as a basketball player that’s very fundamentally sound.”
I feel much better. Chinook, I pretty much view everything you post as sound and valid.
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB
xmas will be devastated if kyle anderson sucks and the raiders dont move to san antonio. we'd have to bump the prayer group thread
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Not really, you haven't read my personal posts if that is what you think.
No one can replace 8.
Who is Kyle Anderson?
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB
Love that dude, but if the Spurs thought he could be anything better than a 6th/7th man, they would have traded up (probably with Charlotte/Jazz to jump ahead of Clipnation and OKC).
If he ends up beeing the guy that backs up Kawhi for the rest of his career (meaning he gets the 13-18 minutes that Kawhi leaves on the floor), while delivering some bench playmaking (like Manu/Diaw do now) to give us freedom to play shoot first PG's alongside him (PATTY!!!!), I'm one happy camper. I think that is what his ceiling is.
Guy looks like garbage. I haven't seen him score but I've missed a couple of games...has he even scored a single basket yet? :lol
he's a project right now, tbh... we'll know more next season or two...
He will end up where Malik Hairston and a few others ended up IMO! Late pick in the first or so and a project and probably won't ever get any major PT or turn into a player in this league. James Anderson comes to mind as well. We had some hopes for those guys but they never panned out, few ever do that late in the draft TBH.
I could be wrong though, guys like Danny Green were not supposed to be that good and even got released before but found a home on a team and fit a role well and became a key to a title team and a major player in the rotation! You find those one out of every 100 to be honest and it is rare, but they come every once in a while. I hope Kyle can turn into a player, if he has the right work ethic and drive while listening to the coach he might just make it? I doubt it but hey it can happen.
hes shooting 8% from the field and 0% from 3pt range throughout his career :lol
the rebounds and low turnovers are the only thing that doesn't look god awful :lol
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-kyle-anderson
^ :lol best case: Jalen Rose worst case: Boris Diaw :lol :lol
James Anderson broke his fifth metatarsal. That can be a career killer. Roddy Beaubois of Dallas had the same injury and is also no longer in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
This year's draft was supposedly the best in a decade, and yet the Spurs only graded 20 players as first round talent. Kyle was one of them. I think I'll roll with RC on this one.
so far props to O_V for the good takes about KA tbh :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Spurs always have to draft a unique player, but this time it was too much smartass pick, they could have draft an american athletic wing like McDaniels or Early...
Sigh.... K.J. McDaniels was on still on the board when Anderson was picked.
Pretty raw but clearly a lot of defensive talent.
Anyway, I still think he has more upside than CoJo.
Not worried here. KA is a baller, once his shot is fine tuned he's gonna be a problem.
The credited him with 1 block on the boxscore when he had 2 on the same play :depressed
Too early to tell...Spurs first rounders always get their chances on the team the whole duration of their rookie contract...George Hill, Mahinmi, James Anderson etc...KA will get his chance and hopefully develop as a rotation player.��
You're shitting me? McDaniels was still on the board? He could have been a great defensive prospect for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Im still convinced the player we really missed out on was Damien Inglis. The kid is huge for his age, good lateral quickness and can shoot the 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
McDaniels is putting up decent numbers on decent shooting but he's on the worst team in history, somebody has to be taking those shots AND he's playing for a contract. I'll leave my judgements until next season when he's actually on an NBA calibre team
As for Kyle Anderson, his ceiling is the Spurs Boris Diaw, as opposed to the unagressive player Diaw has been throughout his career until 2013.
I'm not even sure I'd consider Anderson a 'small ball' power forward, he's an inch taller and an inch longer than Millsap for example. He actually has pretty good measurements for a power forward, he just needs to add 30lbs
That doesn't mean he will turn out to be a player, even the good eye for talent is wrong every once in a while. They had a later pick in the draft, most don't turn out to be players in this league for very long when you think of it so it's a gamble. I do trust RC but honestly I don't know about Anderson but I could be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
His ceiling isn't close to McDaniels. Before the draft I had ofsted how o wanted McDaniels over any player who didn't have the athleticism for the NBA, and they're both showing why.
I'm sure Anderson could put up some stats on the 76ers, but he wouldn't be doing what McDaniels is. And it's not just stats on a bad team, McDaniels is doing historic things.
http://www.nba.com/sixers/news/141201-mcdaniels-impact
Anderson is still someone I'd rather see on the court than Daye, but it was a big screwup, potentially as bad as passing on jimmy Butler for Corey Joseph's 'leadership'.
Boris was a great athlete in his younger years and is still is a decent one by NBA standards. KA just isn't. His slowness and lack of a shot reminds me of Nando, who other than a nice pass here or there, always looked like he had no business being on an NBA court.
plus Boris always had body strength, this toothpick KA makes Durant look like Mr TQuote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Boris is better than jalenQuote:
Originally Posted by hater
Bill Walton "He's a comet shooting across the universe in the Pacific Northwest."
Dick Vitale “Should be a lock top 15 – Kyle is a mini version of Magic Johnson & that is high praise.”
Bob Hurley Sr "Modern-day Magic Johnson"
Bobby Hurley "If you think about what his potential is and his upside is, I think it's as high as any player who has stepped in the door,”
Lebron James "One of the next big things in basketball."
Kevin Durant "The best player in the country."
Tbh, I'm sickened by the lack of trust and faith in KA. "It's his rookie season." "He has to learn the system." He needs to spend time in Austin so he can gain experience." 'Rome wasn't built in a day." KA's going to surprise a lot of you. He has great court vision, makes smart plays with the ball, is very physical without the ball, is an absolute thief, and is an aggressive and smart rebounder.
His ceiling is a slightly better Luke Walton due to his much longer wingspan, tbh..
Question, why didnt he go higher if he has all this potential?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
Answer.... Because the Spurs are the smartest organization in professional sports. Their loss is the Spurs gain, tbfh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs 4 The Win
Yeah. I noticed that, too. Cheated him out of a block.Quote:
Originally Posted by urunobili
^Quote:
Originally Posted by Prose
Best: Diaw
Worst: Manu
Boris Diaw is a very very high ceiling for this kid imho.
I've been hopeful for him but he just hasnt shown anything good yet except a monster game in the little league.
Teams are stupid? There are a lot of very badly run front offices that would easily draft an athlete over a basketball player. They do it every year, and then wonder why they have a bust on their hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs 4 The Win
Honestly, so far, he fails in comparison with Nando. Nando was able to make some very good assists on occasion.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
KA hasn't done much since the regular season started.
This isn't good because his confidence seems to be dropping like a rock.
There a lot of rookies that have been drafted before KA that also haven't done a single thing. Heck, the entire Sixers team is full of high draft pick rookies and sophomore players. Guess what.... that bunch hasn't won a game yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Draft picks in general are over rated. It takes like 4-6 years for a player to become serviceable in the NBA.
If a team is relying on a rookie for big numbers then that team is not very good, that simple...KA needs time to refine his game for when SA actually needs some production from him maybe as early as next season.
cory joseph was very unpolished 2 years ago. Hes our future pg guy could start on half the teams in the nba. Give him 2 years or so to develop a little.
His head is too big for him to be of any use to an NBA team.
He could start on the 76ers...I'd rather have Raymond Felton starting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Empty
And if he's our future, it's a rather shitty, bleak future.
Basketball reference lists him at 6'9" and 230 and Boris at 6'8" and 215. I was surprised he was that big because he looks a little skinny to me. Boris is listed as a PF and SG which seems a little strange but we are in an era where position designations aren't following the old standards.
But if he really is that big, let's think of Anderson as a PF. At that position his lack of footspeed doesn't matter as much since very few PF are real quick. Pop should try him out at the PF more and forget about him as a guard or SF. There isn't much point in playing him outside the arc right now as his shooting isn't good enough to make him a threat right now. If I'm guarding him, then I'm gonna play way off and help out my teammates.
His stats are virtually non-existent so he will reveal himself as the season progresses.
Dang he does look epically slow like nando
Boris is definitely NOT 215
:lol
Spurs official site lists Anderson at 6-9 230 lbs and Boris the Diaw at 6-8 250 lbs.
So if Kyle could get 15 lbs that would be great for him to play PF.
Tiago for example is 6-11 245lbs
Baynes is 6-10 260lbs
Ayres is 6-9 250lbs.
Othe players i think Kyle Anderson can be compared in terms of body are.
Scola 6-9 250lbs
West 6-9 250lbs
Get the fuck outta here with that shit. Anderson is a role player at best. He has zero aggressive bone in his body, so the comments about rebounding can go. To put it in perspective he was 6'7 as a sr in high school 215 lbs averaged 6 rpg. I was 6 foot and averaged 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
He's smart, and will add more to the team than just numbers, but in reality SA will have to have a big three, or a really good inside outside tandem for him to come anywhere near a ceiling.
By the time he gets meaningful minutes the current big 3 will be gone. He was an overhyped project coming out of college, hence the drop in draft. Pull up the old thread on the pick, watch 90 percent of ST bust a nut for a Toro...
So many debbie downers on this site. How do you guys live with yourselves? Holy shit the negativity is too strong with yall i wonder if its any fun to actually be around you guys in real life. You people are horrible. To cast Anderson as some scrub this early... I wonder what yall thought of Cory? Hes doing well now and he sucked before.
Since he was drafted he has lost some of that soft chub rock and is starting to put on lean mass. You can see it in his neck and soldiers. As college athletes go he was a pretty bad body coming out. For better or worse it seem Pop is more inclined to give Daye minutes over Anderson this season so my expectations are quite low. If he continues to reshape his body then I'm not sure what he might be able to do.
HATER!!!! You'll see!!! You'll be sorry the day you didn't believe in Santa Cla, I mean Kyle "Magic" Anderson!!!! "He just needs to get some confidence." "He fits the Spurs system to a tee". "Besides, he was the best passer in the draft. "Of course, he'll never reach his full potential if Pop doesn't run plays through him." Speaking of passes and I hate to ask, can you make a gif of Anderson's pass to Diaw? It was sweeeeeeeet!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Lol, what? Nando runs like an Olympic sprinter compared to Anderson. Anderson's like that tall dude at the Y who just wants to shoot 3's and never post up - even though he's one of the tallest guys on the court. You know, he's the guy with the knee brace who just methodically runs up and down the court between the 3 pt lines. Makes a few slick passes and a couple of shots but just isn't scrappy or tough. -- That's what Anderson looks like against NBA talent thus far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prose
H8trs gone h8. But if he was smart, and live his lyfe based on rap lyrics he wouldn't have no worriesQuote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
What are your early thoughts on Kyle Anderson and his NBA prospects?
Erler: I think he's too limited athletically to ever be more than a 7th or 8th man. Just too slow laterally and not explosive at all. Plus, he basically projects to a small-forward and the Spurs have that position covered for the next decade. I don't really see Anderson ever being a stretch-four. He'd get eaten alive by the PFs around the league. Right now he's just really tentative and sees to have no idea how to get his shot off in the pros.
Gomez: There's one reason why I think he can be a good rotation player in the league: he hasn't improved his body yet. His pre-draft measurements showed he had a bigger percentage of body fat than DeJuan Blair and Kevin Love, for example. And while some guys bulk up in college, he didn't have to because he was playing point guard. If he commits to maximizing his physical tools, the talent to be a good player is there.
Young: I haven't seen anything to make me really excited, but I also have to take it with a grain of salt. It's early and he's the only new piece in a puzzle with all of its pieces. I think he will find his place, but he is slower than I could have imagined.
Wilco: He's so young and it's quite early in his rookie season. That's the best thing he has going for him. Also, the Spurs aren't looking for him to be productive right now. They just want to see his progression continue at a steady pace. Just look at how PATFO handled Cory Joseph: he got all the time he needed, and now he's proving that he can be a viable backup point guard. With time I think Anderson will find his place, although I think it more likely to happen for him as a four than a three.
original source and credit:
http://www.poundingtherock.com/2014/...ally-this-good
So KJ McDaniels is doing fine
Smh at ptr comparing Joseph's years of development with Anderson's future. Not encouraging when the FO passed on Jimmy Butler for a project like Joseph where only after 3+ years does he look like an okay backup.
People taking up Anderson being the best passer in the draft despite his limited body reminds me of RC talking up Jack McClinton as the best shooter in the draft.
Jimmy Butler would be an OK backup to Kawhi, taken in that same draft.Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
lol not encouraging
Always gotta love the retcon draft experts.
-Austin Daye?Quote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
yepQuote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
Hasn't surprised me at all, still the same scrub that he was at FUCLA.
Yeah, because the two-guard position has really been lacking in recent years... It made zero sense to draft Jimmy in 2011. It's not even a move the Spurs needed to make in retrospect. This isn't like 2008 where there were a few guys taken in the early second that amounted to something.Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
Shooting 11% from the field. :depressed
He fits us.
Anderson knows the game.
He is a weak 230lbs. and he is slow. But he can play, there is no doubt. Can he get enough strength and a little more speed that comes with it... this is the question. I can't see how we can really rate him at this point other than does he appear comfortable and have basketball sense. I'm sure he is and does. Forget the stats, they mean very little for the minutes he is getting. Look at the other attributes. I still like the pick.
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Originally Posted by pgardn
It's great for Anderson to have Messina as a coach, who has worked with Papaloukas at CSKA at PG and who had a very similar game. Great combo back then, hope he can translate it somehow to Anderson.
Another good discussion to bookmark . . .
Nice game. He had 9pts 5rebs 3assts 2stls on 4-5 shooting and 1-2 3pointers.
Looks like he's bulked up a bit...his upper body looks pretty different than from the summer...probably affecting his shot
I think the fact that his shot is new and re-worked is what is affecting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by toki9
Solid game KA
Let's see if he can show us similar nice performance against the Lakers.
Good enough to warrant a look from (I don't look at him during practice :D), Pop :lol
Again let's look at it all. Good stat line. Good leadership setting screens and actually waving teammates through.
Some Ugly:
I know Jr. is quick, but he blew by a statuesque KA. His hands and his anticipation on D better improve if his feet can't move. Bad matchup on D for Anderson but it really looked bad. I realize the game was out of hand, still... wow. One play was bad enough to make an impression.
Because he is completely changing his shooting mechanics. The same happen to Kawhi when he first came to the Spurs. He shot like 28% his first few weeks, although he didn't shoot a lot. He finished his rookie season shooting 49% from the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dex
I think KA will be the same. He shot 80% last night. He finally had a decent game. If you notice, his arms are finally getting some definition to them. So the fact he is changing his shot mechanics while at the same time going through a vigorous workout routine to put more definition and muscle to his frame will effect your shot and overall movement in game.
Once he gets pass those to humps and his shot is down and his body is fine tune, we should see more improvement from KA. Then he can start working on posting up.
KA is a project, but he has the potential to be a really good stretch point PF. He just has to get himself in the position to be that. KA is no less of an athlete than Bonner was and Bonner has had a decent career at PF with measurables 6'10" 235lb. Factor in that KA has a 7'4" wingspan, he is more than capable of playing PF in this league once he sheds his body fat.
I'm with C_W_S. Anderson won't have to worry about checking wings and guards because his ultimate position is likely to be stretch PF.Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
I get that he's not the fastest player, but people tend to focus just on what he can't do on defense because of this lack of speed. If his outside shot comes along, offensively, he could be a matchup nightmare for opposing teams. Offensively, it seems the Spurs players are each developing their versatility. Bonner and Green taking guys off the dribble. Tony shooting threes. Anderson is just one more versatile player to add to the mix.
Well said. KA could really be dangerous 2 to 3 years down the line. We all just need to have realistic expectations of him this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old School 44
On D of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
If he continues to develop, I would like the ball in his hands away from the basket. He is a much better dribbler than Boris in open space. Altogether we might have swooped down on a rather unique player.