Zoran Dragic discussing NBA deal with 4 interested: Heat, Spurs, Mavs, Magic.

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RealGM Sources: With Oct. 5 deadline, Zoran Dragic discussing NBA deal with 4 interested: Heat, Spurs, Mavs, Magic. tinyurl.com/nxvhrsc

Now that the Heat don't come with the Lebron Bonus, Spurs have to be the top contender in that bunch. Mavs a distant second tbh.

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Foreigners like the Spurs because they know their skills are valued and that they will be given real opportunities to show them. I think they also like the Raptors for the same reason.

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Originally Posted by cd98

Foreigners like the Spurs because they know their skills are valued and that they will be given real opportunities to show them. I think they also like the Raptors for the same reason.

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Yes, just ask Nando De Culo.

Doubt it unless they give him a long, non-guaranteed deal.

Is he a PG?

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Originally Posted by dabom

Is he a PG?

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listed at 6'5, more of a SG/SF

I like it! Damn! He moves like Goran as well.

Does he play defense?

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Yes, just ask Nando De Culo.

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It's all relative. He never sees the light of day on other rosters. Spurs gave him minutes, but he couldn't shoot.

[Aron, if you don't sign your QO, we're fucking moving on...]

I would take him ove corey joseph.

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Originally Posted by dabom

I would take him ove corey joseph.

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:lol...no. Spurs need Joseph now that Patty is going to be out.

They are two different players anyway.

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Originally Posted by benefactor

:lol...no. Spurs need Joseph now that Patty is going to be out.

They are two different players anyway.

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We all know corey joseph's price is going to go higher and he won't get better.

How old is he?

Born: June 22, 1989 (age 25)

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We all know corey joseph's price is going to go higher and he won't get better.

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What part of they play different positions did not register?

Heat, Spurs, Mavs, Magic....


Mavs will get the player, tbh

:lol Daye and Ayres taking up precious roster spots

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

:lol Daye and Ayres taking up precious roster spots

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:lol

Both of them certainly make people forget about Bonner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMspiCLnSpo at 1:34.

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Originally Posted by spursparker9

:lol

Both of them certainly make people forget about Bonner.

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Bonner is actually useful , in certain situations, and only making the vet. min.

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Originally Posted by aintjustthem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMspiCLnSpo at 1:34.

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Good shit.

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Originally Posted by cd021

Bonner is actually useful , in certain situations, and only making the vet. min.

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Actually he isn't.

He plays defense.

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Originally Posted by dabom

Actually he isn't.

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actually he is. When he started against OKC he forced Ibaka out of the paint.

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Originally Posted by cd021

actually he is. When he started against OKC he forced Ibaka out of the paint.

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We won because Pop put Kawhi on westbrook for long minutes not because bonner played 5 fucking minutes. lol Errors also helped us win too. :lol

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Originally Posted by dabom

We won because Pop put Kawhi on westbrook for long minutes not because bonner played 5 fucking minutes. lol Errors also helped us win too. :lol

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He averaged 15 mpg over the final 3 games. The Spurs were +15 in those 3 games when he was on the floor. He also shot 40% from 3pt in those games.

Pop went to him specifically to draw Ibaka out of the paint because Splitter and Duncan because of the lack of spacing with Ibaka patrolling the paint.

It also allowed Pop to keep Diaw coming off the bench without having to alter his rotations.

Green was more effective on Westbrook. I think Pop did because of the p&R with Westbrook and KD. The Spurs could switch the screens and not get burned by mismatches.

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Originally Posted by dabom

We won because Pop put Kawhi on westbrook for long minutes not because bonner played 5 fucking minutes. lol Errors also helped us win too. :lol

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Westbrook pretty much destroyed Leonard for most of that game. Kawhi couldn't stop fouling him. Bonner absolutely owed Ibaka (and everyone else) on defense. Go back and watch the game.

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Originally Posted by cd021

He averaged 15 mpg over the final 3 games. The Spurs were +15 in those 3 games when he was on the floor. He also shot 40% from 3pt in those games.

Pop went to him specifically to draw Ibaka out of the paint because Splitter and Duncan because of the lack of spacing with Ibaka patrolling the paint.

It also allowed Pop to keep Diaw coming off the bench without having to alter his rotations.

Green was more effective on Westbrook. I think Pop did because of the p&R with Westbrook and KD. The Spurs could switch the screens and not get burned by mismatches.

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We should just have played him 30mpg if he was really effective. You just showed me plusminues stats? :lol
Please post his stats and not just uhhh 40percent from three. :lol
Pop put Kawhi on westbrook for games 5 and 6 and made him shoot shit for those last 2 games. :lol

Everyone knows what happens when you give bonner big minutes in the playoffs. :lmao

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Westbrook pretty much destroyed Leonard for most of that game. Kawhi couldn't stop fouling him. Bonner absolutely owed Ibaka (and everyone else) on defense. Go back and watch the game.

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One dunk you stupid fuck. :lmao

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Originally Posted by dabom

One dunk you stupid fuck. :lmao

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Your takes have been bottom-of-the-barrel since you started posting, but they've never been this bad.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Your takes have been bottom-of-the-barrel since you started posting, but they've never been this bad.

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Please go back and watch the games.

" One of Gregg Popovich’s adjustments for Game 5 was shifting his best defender,Kawhi Leonard, onto Russell Westbrook and assigning Danny Green to Kevin Durant. The Spurs stayed with those matchups the majority of the first three quarters. The maneuver worked to some degree, in this way. Westbrook got up just 12 shots in 30:48 of playing time, though he still played well — 21 points on 6-of-12 shooting, seven assists, three steals, four rebounds.“I think I did OK,” Leonard said of guarding Westbrook. “We all did well as a group defensively, by just keeping a hand up and forcing difficult shots for everyone. Everyone was there with a hard edge and just playing the game with aggression and being physical.” "


This is all after game 4 at okc where westbrook blew up for 40 points 10 assist 5 steals and 5 rebounds and 3 turnover. :lmao
Ya tripping.

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Originally Posted by dabom

Please go back and watch the games.

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Don't have to. I actually charted the whole thing in a thread during the series. Unlike you, I didn't just say "One dunk you stupid fuck." I actually quantified the performances. Out of the three main Westbrook defenders (Leonard, Green and Parker), Kawhi allowed the highest PPP. Even Beli did better (in a too-small sample size). The main reason for that is that Kawhi fouled Russ eight times, compared to Green and Parker each only fouling him three times.

Ibaka shot 2/8 against Bonner over the final two games of the series.

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Don't have to. I actually charted the whole thing in a thread during the series. Unlike you, I didn't just say "One dunk you stupid fuck." I actually quantified the performances. Out of the three main Westbrook defenders (Leonard, Green and Parker), Kawhi allowed the highest PPP. Even Beli did better (in a too-small sample size). The main reason for that is that Kawhi fouled Russ eight times, compared to Green and Parker each only fouling him three times.

Ibaka shot 2/8 against Bonner over the final two games of the series.

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Please go back and watch the fucking games.
You fail to realize that opponent points allowed is just a small portion of the entire fucking game. :lmao

It is a fact that Abaka shot poorly against Bonner, but it was mostly Abaka himself rushing/not getting into a rhythm and missing shots.

TBH

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Please go back and watch the fucking games.
You fail to realize that opponent points allowed is just a small portion of the entire fucking game. :lmao

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It's not. What you fail to realize is that Parker and Green actually dominated Westbrook defensively in Game 4. Russ scored most of his points in garbage time.

You look like a fool. First, you think Splitter is just a product of the system, then you think that Kawhi shut down Westbrook. You don't even know why Pop made the switch, do you?

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Originally Posted by spursparker9

It is a fact that Abaka shot poorly against Bonner, but it was mostly Abaka himself rushing/not getting into a rhythm and missing shots.

TBH

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That's part of it for sure. It's more than Ibaka thought he had a mismatch against Bonner and tried to exploit it. But Matt's actually a really sound defender, so Ibaka just threw possessions away.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

That's part of it for sure. It's more than Ibaka thought he had a mismatch against Bonner and tried to exploit it. But Matt's actually a really sound defender, so Ibaka just threw possessions away.

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Next you're going to say he is a good rebounder too. :lmao

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It's not. What you fail to realize is that Parker and Green actually dominated Westbrook defensively in Game 4. Russ scored most of his points in garbage time.

You look like a fool. First, you think Splitter is just a product of the system, then you think that Kawhi shut down Westbrook. You don't even know why Pop made the switch, do you?

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I can't read your shit anymore. It's all junk.

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Originally Posted by dabom

I can't read your shit anymore. It's all junk.

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Yep. An absolutely terrible poster. I can't believe you tried to make an appearance on here bring this level of bad takes. You don't even watch games.

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Yep. An absolutely terrible poster. I can't believe you tried to make an appearance on here bring this level of bad takes. You don't even watch games.

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:lmao

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Originally Posted by dabom

:lmao

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It's probably because you're too busy laughing things you don't understand.

C'mon, bro. Why did Pop make the switch of Leonard onto Westbrook? What piece of evidence do you have that supports that Leonard was a markedly better defender on Russ besides the dunk numbers? Who do you think is most responsible for preventing dunks?

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I can't read your shit anymore. It's all junk.

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I really don't post that much here, but you have to be one of the dumbest mother fuckers I have ever seen. I seriously think you have the Intelligent Quotient of my right nut sack. Maybe.

Fucking disagree with Chinook all you want, but telling him to watch the fucking games? Seriously, I don't know how anybody could more clear than you did that you are one stupid fucktard. Not that he needs me to defend him. Like I said, you just made it clear how utterly retarded you are. I just wanted to chime in.

Slutter McGee

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Actually he isn't.

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Red Mamba = Champion

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We should just have played him 30mpg if he was really effective. You just showed me plusminues stats? :lol
Please post his stats and not just uhhh 40percent from three. :lol
Pop put Kawhi on westbrook for games 5 and 6 and made him shoot shit for those last 2 games. :lol



Everyone knows what happens when you give bonner big minutes in the playoffs. :lmao

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News flash, Westbrook always shoots like shit against the Spurs:lol bringing up his struggles against us in the WCF in games 5 and 6 and making it sound like Kawhi shut him down is just silly. Like Kawhi

over the past 3 seasons postseason included Westbrook has shot 41% of worse in 10 of the 22 meetings against the Spurs in each of those games he took at least 15 shots save for a 2-10 performance.

in 8 games in had at least 4 turnovers. Virtually all of those games had Green as his primary.



http://www.basketball-reference.com/...=&order_by=pts


Did you even read my last comment? Pop put Bonner in to force Ibaka out of the paint (which he clearly did) it allowed for Diaw to continue to come off the bench. His individual stats are relatively usesless. His job was to keep Ibaka out of the paint and knock down 3's when the opportunity presented itself. He did that.

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I really don't post that much here, but you have to be one of the dumbest mother fuckers I have ever seen. I seriously think you have the Intelligent Quotient of my right nut sack. Maybe.

Fucking disagree with Chinook all you want, but telling him to watch the fucking games? Seriously, I don't know how anybody could more clear than you did that you are one stupid fucktard. Not that he needs me to defend him. Like I said, you just made it clear how utterly retarded you are. I just wanted to chime in.

Slutter McGee

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Suck his dick already.

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Originally Posted by spursparker9

It is a fact that Abaka shot poorly against Bonner, but it was mostly Abaka himself rushing/not getting into a rhythm and missing shots.

TBH

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He underestimated Bonner and Ibaka isn't much of an offense presence beyond his jumper. Its not like he could score on Bonner consistently anyways, in the post, even if he didn't rush his shots.

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Originally Posted by dabom

Please go back and watch the fucking games.
You fail to realize that opponent points allowed is just a small portion of the entire fucking game. :lmao

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He charted the games. He clearly watched every possession of the game closely and your response is "watch the fucking games"

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News flash, Westbrook always shoots like shit against the Spurs:lol bringing up his struggles against us in the WCF in games 5 and 6 and making it sound like Kawhi shut him down is just silly. Like Kawhi

over the past 3 seasons postseason included Westbrook has shot 41% of worse in 10 of the 22 meetings against the Spurs in each of those games he took at least 15 shots save for a 2-10 performance.

in 8 games in had at least 4 turnovers. Virtually all of those games had Green as his primary.



http://www.basketball-reference.com/...=&order_by=pts


Did you even read my last comment? Pop put Bonner in to force Ibaka out of the paint (which he clearly did) it allowed for Diaw to continue to come off the bench. His individual stats are relatively usesless. His job was to keep Ibaka out of the paint and knock down 3's when the opportunity presented itself. He did that.

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No one is saying shut down. OKC had momentum going into game 5 and everyone was scared we were going to get backdoor swept again and Pop decided to put Kawhi on westbrook. That single decision was so vital to us winning that series. :lobt2:we were going to win whether bonner was playing or not.

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He charted the games. He clearly watched every possession of the game closely and your response is "watch the fucking games"

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He clearly missed why we won games 5 and 6.

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Red Mamba = Champion

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I guess with the old man succumbing to dementia downstairs, dabom had taken up the role of 'ST idiot' in his place.

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I guess with the old man succumbing to dementia downstairs, dabom had taken up the role of 'ST idiot' in his place.

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Who is this "old man" you speak of?

Check out The Club.

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No one is saying shut down. OKC had momentum going into game 5 and everyone was scared we were going to get backdoor swept again and Pop decided to put Kawhi on westbrook. That single decision was so vital to us winning that series. :lobt2:we were going to win whether bonner was playing or not.

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We won because Pop put Kawhi on westbrook for long minutes oo. :lol

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Thats implying that Kawhi shut him down

Did you watch game 3 and game 4? Duncan and Splitter struggled to get clean looks at the basket with Ibaka lurking.

Splitter sets up within 5 feet of the basket, meaning that all Ibaka had to do was slide across the paint to challenge the shot.

the single reason, why we swung the series in our favor was because of pops decision to separate Duncan and Splitter.

Moving Bonner into the starting lineup forced Ibaka to choose between protecting the rim or covering a great 3pt shooter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3n2nmo3qvE

the 3:00 mark shows the Ibaka having to choose between protecting the rim and Bonner.

the 3:40 mark shows just how far out Ibaka had to roam when Bonner catches the ball outside of the paint.

I said this before, I believe that Pop put Leonard on Westbrook not because it was the best option but because of the p&r between KD and Westbrook.

The Spurs could switch it allowing Green and Leonard to return to their normal defensive assignments.

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Originally Posted by dabom

He clearly missed why we won games 5 and 6.

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or you have

How does a thread go from Zoran Dragic to some tangent about Matt Bonner?

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Originally Posted by eDizzle20

How does a thread go from Zoran Dragic to some tangent about Matt Bonner?

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Better than talking about Dragic anyway. No way he makes sense for the Spurs. Would rather have Hanga, and I don't want him over, either.

Looks like every sheep in this thread wants Dragic just because he's a European nobody and has a weird ass name. But they don't want Greg Monroe, Ray Allen, Shawn Marion, Pau Gasol, etc :lmao hipsters

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Looks like every sheep in this thread wants Dragic just because he's a European nobody and has a weird ass name. But they don't want Greg Monroe, Ray Allen, Shawn Marion, Pau Gasol, etc :lmao hipsters

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Bro, what are you looking at? Almost no one wants Dragic in this thread.

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I guess with the old man succumbing to dementia downstairs, dabom had taken up the role of 'ST idiot' in his place.

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You shouldn't talk. I swear to god I wonder sometimes if you have autism

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Bro, what are you looking at? Almost no one wants Dragic in this thread.

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Read page 1, page 2 was filled with arguments

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Read page 1, page 2 was filled with arguments

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I just did. Two posters wanted him. That's it. Everyone else either didn't want him or just didn't know who he was. Definitely, no one said they wanted him over Allen and all the players you mentioned.

I wouldnt mind him if he was a consistent shooter. He'd be the 3rd best perimiter defender after Kawhi and Danny... Could be even better than Danny.

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I just did. Two posters wanted him. That's it. Everyone else either didn't want him or just didn't know who he was. Definitely, no one said they wanted him over Allen and all the players you mentioned.

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Spur raider is saying Daye and Errors are taking up "precious" roster spots, so add him to this list... The same guy who said we already have enough SG's in the Allen thread

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Spur raider is saying Daye and Errors are taking up "precious" roster spots, so add him to this list... The same guy who said we already have enough SG's in the Allen thread

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i've said that in basically every thread about every free agent. dont be using me for your argument

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i've said that in basically every thread about every free agent. dont be using me for your argument

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Oh really? :lol you said there was no talent in Hollins, you didint say Errors and Daye were taking up spots in the Allen thread neither. Keep on moving sheep

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I wouldnt mind him if he was a consistent shooter. He'd be the 3rd best perimiter defender after Kawhi and Danny... Could be even better than Danny.

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Obviously, I'm gonna assume your bias is why you made that last comment. However, you clearly have a better grasp on Zoran than most of us do. What's there to like about him? Would he be able to get minutes over Beli?

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Spur raider is saying Daye and Errors are taking up "precious" roster spots, so add him to this list... The same guy who said we already have enough SG's in the Allen thread

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I obviously don't want Allen, so I can agree with SR21 there. It should also be noted that Dragic plays mostly SF from what I know. So I can definitely see people wanting a youngish but experienced backup to Kawhi over a fourth two-guard.

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You shouldn't talk. I swear to god I wonder sometimes if you have autism

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:lmao owned by Pop
:lmao allies himself with known morons like kobyz
:lmao best shit talking he can do is country smack

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I obviously don't want Allen, so I can agree with SR21 there. It should also be noted that Dragic plays mostly SF from what I know. So I can definitely see people wanting a youngish but experienced backup to Kawhi over a fourth two-guard.

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I wouldn't mind having Dragic on the Spurs. But I'm sick of seeing threads with proven players that the Spurs are interested in, get rejected by the same hipsters. You know, the guys who make cases for dudes like Hanga, Bertans, Richards, and also made a case for De Colo when he first got here :lol

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Looks like every sheep in this thread wants Dragic just because he's a European nobody and has a weird ass name. But they don't want Greg Monroe, Ray Allen, Shawn Marion, Pau Gasol, etc :lmao hipsters

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:lol can't read a thread for shit

2 pro-Dragic posters = fuck, this whole thread is full of pro-Dragic sheep :lmao

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:lmao owned by Pop
:lmao allies himself with known morons like kobyz
:lmao best shit talking he can do is country smack

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:lmao championship or not, Pop still fucked up numerous times in Game 6 :lmao
:lmao you'd lick RC's nut sack if he'd let you :lmao
:lmao you don't post spurs related shit, you just talk shit to other people having arguments :lmao

I wouldn't expect him to score a lot in the NBA but he is a very good defender.

He is strong and big enough to defend SFs although he is a natural SG.

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:lmao championship or not, Pop still fucked up numerous times in Game 6 :lmao
:lmao you'd lick RC's nut sack if he'd let you :lmao
:lmao you don't post spurs related shit, you just talk shit to other people having arguments :lmao

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:lmao obviously doesn't read threads
:lmao calling out other posters when all he did was troll ST for a season
:lmao automatically assumes I'm a Popsucker because he doesn't know shit
:lmao still salty over getting owned by the coach she shit talked for a season

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I wouldn't mind having Dragic on the Spurs. But I'm sick of seeing posters reject threads with proven players that the Spurs are interested in, get rejected by the same hipsters. You know, the guys who make cases for dudes like Hanga, Bertans, Richards, and also made a case for De Colo when he first got here :lol

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Well, I think people will always make cases for draft picks coming over. For one thing, a lot of us try to follow those players, so they aren't really in the same boat as Dragic as far as unknown status goes. Also, I don't think it's a bad thing to want to fill your 13th-15th spots with young players on cheap, long-term deals instead of old ring-chasers or relatively proven journeymen (in a bad way). The team needs to continue to develop, after all. We're talking about player who won't be active for a lot of games, after all. I'd rather inactives be in Austin rather than in suits behind the bench.

I'll say this, though. De Colo is a better player than Dragic. So if you think Nando is a scrub, you probably want no part of Zoran.

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Obviously, I'm gonna assume your bias is why you made that last comment. However, you clearly have a better grasp on Zoran than most of us do. What's there to like about him? Would he be able to get minutes over Beli?

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I am not really bias, most of the time i don't like Slovenian players and complain about them but Zoran is a pretty good player.

My report on him would be:
+ great defensive player, both off and on ball... I think he's allowed to play more with hands on defense here in Europe but I am sure he'd adapt to the NBA rules.
+ good in fast breaks.
+ great energy guy, with him you're are sure that you will get 100% in an important game or in a preseason game.
+ team player. He won't force himself on offense and can be effective even if not scoring.

- Shooting. Just like his brother when he first got to the league. He can make 5 threes in a row and then not make another in the next 15 tries... I am sure Chip would make him better.
- Ball handling... He's good at it in fast breaks, but on a set up defense, he can still turn it over. But it's not as bad as Danny's.

Right now I don't think he could replace Marco, cause Marco is great for the Spurs offense with his shooting, but he's a lot better than him on defense. But I would't mind him to be the 12th guy. But I guess he'd want some playing time, and in Europe he can get it, so I doubt he'll even come to the NBA.

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:lmao obviously doesn't read threads
:lmao calling out other posters when all he did was troll ST for a season
:lmao automatically assumes I'm a Popsucker because he doesn't know shit
:lmao still salty over getting owned by the coach she shit talked for a season

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Yawn. Obvious troll is obvious. I'm not going to litter this thread with pointless arguments with a retard

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I wouldn't expect him to score a lot in the NBA but he is a very good defender.

He is strong and big enough to defend SFs although he is a natural SG.

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I am not really bias, most of the time i don't like Slovenian players and complain about them but Zoran is a pretty good player.

My report on him would be:
+ great defensive player, both off and on ball... I think he's allowed to play more with hands on defense here in Europe but I am sure he'd adapt to the NBA rules.
+ good in fast breaks.
+ great energy guy, with him you're are sure that you will get 100% in an important game or in a preseason game.
+ team player. He won't force himself on offense and can be effective even if not scoring.

- Shooting. Just like his brother when he first got to the league. He can make 5 threes in a row and then not make another in the next 15 tries... I am sure Chip would make him better.
- Ball handling... He's good at it in fast breaks, but on a set up defense, he can still turn it over. But it's not as bad as Danny's.

Right now I don't think he could replace Marco, cause Marco is great for the Spurs offense with his shooting, but he's a lot better than him on defense. But I would't mind him to be the 12th guy. But I guess he'd want some playing time, and in Europe he can get it, so I doubt he'll even come to the NBA.

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Thanks to both of you for the info. :toast

I'd be a lot warmer on him if he were a few years younger. It's very possible that a spot could open at the wing in 2015, and getting a really good player locked into a long-term deal would be nice. But his inability to shoot would just kill the Spurs' offense. He's also a little too small to play the three full-time in my opinion, and that's what the Spurs could really use right now. It would be different in 2015 if Anderson is the other wing.

We'll see how serious the Spurs are. With the MLE in hand, they should be able to land Zoran if they want to. I'll defer to their judgement if they pick him up. I just hope he improves half as much as his brother has.

Lowe was discussing on his most recent podcast how difficult it can be to get people playing overseas to come over once they start getting sizeable contracts from their current teams and how Patrick Beverly was the exception because he was playing overseas but had not yet gotten a big contract in Europe.

Getting someone like Dragic would require both a role that is not a big departure from what he has with his current pro team and a contract that makes it worth coming over. The Spurs can offer the latter but not likely the former.

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Yawn. Obvious troll is obvious. I'm not going to litter this thread with pointless arguments with a retard

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Starts the shittalking in the thread then slinks away. Typical.

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Starts the shittalking in the thread then slinks away. Typical.

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Oh I started shit talking on here?

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I guess with the old man succumbing to dementia downstairs, dabom had taken up the role of 'ST idiot' in his place.

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Just go to sleep, your troll is obvious

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Lowe was discussing on his most recent podcast how difficult it can be to get people playing overseas to come over once they start getting sizeable contracts from their current teams and how Patrick Beverly was the exception because he was playing overseas but had not yet gotten a big contract in Europe.

Getting someone like Dragic would require both a role that is not a big departure from what he has with his current pro team and a contract that makes it worth coming over. The Spurs can offer the latter but not likely the former.

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I sort of agree. I think it's really hard for NBA teams to pay overseas players what they're worth in the league because they are simply worth more in Europe. Like Rudy Fernandez was an NBA journeyman and was going to get paid like it in the States. But he is a star in Spain and got paid like it there. So it was an easy choice for him to return home. Lorbek was a star in Spain and got that kind of money, but he was a LLE guy at best in the NBA, and the Spurs weren't willing to give him Diaw's MLE money.

The only way NBA teams can get overseas talent is by overpaying for it, not in relation to the player's credentials overseas but in relation to their respective contribution in the league. Bogdanovic is not going to be an mMLE player in all likelihood, but that's what it took to get him on the Nets. The Rockets had to drop an MLE deal for their Greek player to even get him for a year.

I guess what I am trying to say is that NBA teams can get almost any Euro they want so long as they are willing to overpay enough to overcome the value the players have to their overseas teams and the players' pride. Obviously, some players just wouldn't come over, but most would, at least for a while.

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Oh I started shit talking on here?

Just go to sleep, your troll is obvious

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Jumping to conclusions like a moron :lmao :lmao :lmao

I was referring to your shittalking of me.

With that impassioned defense, guess dabom's your new ally now since kobyz doesn't show up much anymore.

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I sort of agree. I think it's really hard for NBA teams to pay overseas players what they're worth in the league because they are simply worth more in Europe. Like Rudy Fernandez was an NBA journeyman and was going to get paid like it in the States. But he is a star in Spain and got paid like it there. So it was an easy choice for him to return home. Lorbek was a star in Spain and got that kind of money, but he was a LLE guy at best in the NBA, and the Spurs weren't willing to give him Diaw's MLE money.

The only way NBA teams can get overseas talent is by overpaying for it, not in relation to the player's credentials overseas but in relation to their respective contribution in the league. Bogdanovic is not going to be an mMLE player in all likelihood, but that's what it took to get him on the Nets. The Rockets had to drop an MLE deal for their Greek player to even get him for a year.

I guess what I am trying to say is that NBA teams can get almost any Euro they want so long as they are willing to overpay enough to overcome the value the players have to their overseas teams and the players' pride. Obviously, some players just wouldn't come over, but most would, at least for a while.

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Another point Lowe was making on his podcast was that the teams looking to shore up their lineups with overseas players tend to be the teams with less than the MLE left to offer, since the cap space and MLE tend to get used on the stars and free agents who've already played in the NBA because they're known commodities.

Teams like Miami (the past few seasons) and Cleveland now would love to get some overseas players, but since they have so little to offer, the money ends up going to older vets and ring-chasers.

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Another point Lowe was making on his podcast was that the teams looking to shore up their lineups with overseas players tend to be the teams with less than the MLE left to offer, since the cap space and MLE tend to get used on the stars and free agents who've already played in the NBA because they're known commodities.

Teams like Miami (the past few seasons) and Cleveland now would love to get some overseas players, but since they have so little to offer, the money ends up going to older vets and ring-chasers.

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Yep. That's pretty much what I was thinking. It's not very often that teams are in a position like the Spurs where they just have an MLE lying around. Most teams either have major needs they target or are too bad to even want proven Euros (who aren't their own draft picks). That's why, on its face, it'll be cool for the Spurs to have hit the Euro market hard looking for some proven player who wanted to make the jump and was willing to sit a year. But as you said, it's not very likely that a Euro star would want to be a role-player or end-of-bench player, even on the Spurs. De Colo certainly hated it.

It's also something to consider that most good Euros have their rights owned by NBA teams already. So it's not like there are really that many elite youngish overseas players to choose from.

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I am not really bias, most of the time i don't like Slovenian players and complain about them but Zoran is a pretty good player.

My report on him would be:
+ great defensive player, both off and on ball... I think he's allowed to play more with hands on defense here in Europe but I am sure he'd adapt to the NBA rules.
+ good in fast breaks.
+ great energy guy, with him you're are sure that you will get 100% in an important game or in a preseason game.
+ team player. He won't force himself on offense and can be effective even if not scoring.

- Shooting. Just like his brother when he first got to the league. He can make 5 threes in a row and then not make another in the next 15 tries... I am sure Chip would make him better.
- Ball handling... He's good at it in fast breaks, but on a set up defense, he can still turn it over. But it's not as bad as Danny's.

Right now I don't think he could replace Marco, cause Marco is great for the Spurs offense with his shooting, but he's a lot better than him on defense. But I would't mind him to be the 12th guy. But I guess he'd want some playing time, and in Europe he can get it, so I doubt he'll even come to the NBA.

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Good breakdown.

With some improvement to his shooting he could be a good rotation player in the NBA.

Also his brother Goran had bad shooting % when he can over and look at him now. 41% from 3pt land.

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Yep. That's pretty much what I was thinking. It's not very often that teams are in a position like the Spurs where they just have an MLE lying around. Most teams either have major needs they target or are too bad to even want proven Euros (who aren't their own draft picks). That's why, on its face, it'll be cool for the Spurs to have hit the Euro market hard looking for some proven player who wanted to make the jump and was willing to sit a year. But as you said, it's not very likely that a Euro star would want to be a role-player or end-of-bench player, even on the Spurs. De Colo certainly hated it.

It's also something to consider that most good Euros have their rights owned by NBA teams already. So it's not like there are really that many elite youngish overseas players to choose from.

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Getting ahold of key Euros nowadays seems more and more dependent on trading for their rights then doing what the Spurs did with Splitter in waiting until he wasn't covered by the rookie scale.

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Getting ahold of key Euros nowadays seems more and more dependent on trading for their rights then doing what the Spurs did with Splitter in waiting until he wasn't covered by the rookie scale.

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Yeah. I think there are teams that might want to sign Ante Tomic after is dominated France a few days ago. But they can't even talk to him, because Utah owns his rights. I can't see the Jazz ever really wanting to bring him over, though. Some team would have to give them an asset if they wanted him. That kind of sucks.

I think the NBA should have something akin to the MLB's Rule 5 Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_5_draft). Teams would only be able to protect their stashed players for so long before another team could put a claim on them. That claiming team would have to immediately sign the player to a deal, or the rights would revert back to the original team. Sure, that would force teams to sign players who might not be ready. But that's better than the system we have now.

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I think the NBA should have something akin to the MLB's Rule 5 Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_5_draft). Teams would only be able to protect their stashed players for so long before another team could put a claim on them. That claiming team would have to immediately sign the player to a deal, or the rights would revert back to the original team. Sure, that would force teams to sign players who might not be ready. But that's better than the system we have now.

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I'm in favor of a rule like this, but it has to be worded such that the claim would need to be something concrete (something like an actual offer sheet), otherwise this could be abused like how Morey used the 'poison pill' clause.

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I'm in favor of a rule like this, but it has to be worded such that the claim would need to be something concrete (something like an actual offer sheet), otherwise this could be abused like how Morey used the 'poison pill' clause.

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I was thinking a system like the MLB's current bidding system with Japanese players. Teams get to negotiate with the player, and if they succeed in coming to a deal, they get the player and pay the old team a fixed amount. The old system was teams bidding against each other for exclusive negotiating privileges and afterward having a short period to get a deal together before the player goes back to his old team. Either system would work, in my opinion.

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I wouldn't expect him to score a lot in the NBA but he is a very good defender.

He is strong and big enough to defend SFs although he is a natural SG.

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If he can play defense, then I am very interested.

I'm mostly a defense first guy, and if he can also play SF too, then he's at least worth a look. Is Texas_Ranger over-exaggerating when he said he'd be the the 3rd best perimeter defender on the team? Is his defense at that level?

Also, since he's only 6'5" and more of a SG rather than a SF, would he be capable of checking some of the best SFs in the NBA for a few minutes a game?

How is he on offense? What are his strengths on that end of the court? How bad is his shooting?

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I was thinking a system like the MLB's current bidding system with Japanese players. Teams get to negotiate with the player, and if they succeed in coming to a deal, they get the player and pay the old team a fixed amount. The old system was teams bidding against each other for exclusive negotiating privileges and afterward having a short period to get a deal together before the player goes back to his old team. Either system would work, in my opinion.

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Yeah, either system could work. The cap would need to be a factor in such a system in the NBA, otherwise the big-market teams could simply outspend everybody else.

He's listed as an SF right? So we can get him, to backup Whi with Kyle. Drop Ayres and Daye. Get Baynes back. Chinook can this happen given that Baynes signs that QO shit?

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If he can play defense, then I am very interested.

I'm mostly a defense first guy, and if he can also play SF too, then he's at least worth a look. Is Texas_Ranger over-exaggerating when he said he'd be the the 3rd best perimeter defender on the team? Is his defense at that level?

Also, since he's only 6'5" and more of a SG rather than a SF, would he be capable of checking some of the best SFs in the NBA for a few minutes a game?

How is he on offense? What are his strengths on that end of the court? How bad is his shooting?

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Texas Ranger gave a quote good breakdown regarding his strengths and weaknesses.

Yes, I think his defense could be on a very high level; he stopped Francisco Garcia and James Harden well in the past few days.. The more I think about it the more he seems Spurs material; Chip could make him a really good rotation player.