Zoran Dragic discussing NBA deal with 4 interested: Heat, Spurs, Mavs, Magic.

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

Looks like every sheep in this thread wants Dragic just because he's a European nobody and has a weird ass name. But they don't want Greg Monroe, Ray Allen, Shawn Marion, Pau Gasol, etc :lmao hipsters

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:lol can't read a thread for shit

2 pro-Dragic posters = fuck, this whole thread is full of pro-Dragic sheep :lmao

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Originally Posted by anakha

:lmao owned by Pop
:lmao allies himself with known morons like kobyz
:lmao best shit talking he can do is country smack

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:lmao championship or not, Pop still fucked up numerous times in Game 6 :lmao
:lmao you'd lick RC's nut sack if he'd let you :lmao
:lmao you don't post spurs related shit, you just talk shit to other people having arguments :lmao

I wouldn't expect him to score a lot in the NBA but he is a very good defender.

He is strong and big enough to defend SFs although he is a natural SG.

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

:lmao championship or not, Pop still fucked up numerous times in Game 6 :lmao
:lmao you'd lick RC's nut sack if he'd let you :lmao
:lmao you don't post spurs related shit, you just talk shit to other people having arguments :lmao

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:lmao obviously doesn't read threads
:lmao calling out other posters when all he did was troll ST for a season
:lmao automatically assumes I'm a Popsucker because he doesn't know shit
:lmao still salty over getting owned by the coach she shit talked for a season

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

I wouldn't mind having Dragic on the Spurs. But I'm sick of seeing posters reject threads with proven players that the Spurs are interested in, get rejected by the same hipsters. You know, the guys who make cases for dudes like Hanga, Bertans, Richards, and also made a case for De Colo when he first got here :lol

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Well, I think people will always make cases for draft picks coming over. For one thing, a lot of us try to follow those players, so they aren't really in the same boat as Dragic as far as unknown status goes. Also, I don't think it's a bad thing to want to fill your 13th-15th spots with young players on cheap, long-term deals instead of old ring-chasers or relatively proven journeymen (in a bad way). The team needs to continue to develop, after all. We're talking about player who won't be active for a lot of games, after all. I'd rather inactives be in Austin rather than in suits behind the bench.

I'll say this, though. De Colo is a better player than Dragic. So if you think Nando is a scrub, you probably want no part of Zoran.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Obviously, I'm gonna assume your bias is why you made that last comment. However, you clearly have a better grasp on Zoran than most of us do. What's there to like about him? Would he be able to get minutes over Beli?

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I am not really bias, most of the time i don't like Slovenian players and complain about them but Zoran is a pretty good player.

My report on him would be:
+ great defensive player, both off and on ball... I think he's allowed to play more with hands on defense here in Europe but I am sure he'd adapt to the NBA rules.
+ good in fast breaks.
+ great energy guy, with him you're are sure that you will get 100% in an important game or in a preseason game.
+ team player. He won't force himself on offense and can be effective even if not scoring.

- Shooting. Just like his brother when he first got to the league. He can make 5 threes in a row and then not make another in the next 15 tries... I am sure Chip would make him better.
- Ball handling... He's good at it in fast breaks, but on a set up defense, he can still turn it over. But it's not as bad as Danny's.

Right now I don't think he could replace Marco, cause Marco is great for the Spurs offense with his shooting, but he's a lot better than him on defense. But I would't mind him to be the 12th guy. But I guess he'd want some playing time, and in Europe he can get it, so I doubt he'll even come to the NBA.

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Originally Posted by anakha

:lmao obviously doesn't read threads
:lmao calling out other posters when all he did was troll ST for a season
:lmao automatically assumes I'm a Popsucker because he doesn't know shit
:lmao still salty over getting owned by the coach she shit talked for a season

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Yawn. Obvious troll is obvious. I'm not going to litter this thread with pointless arguments with a retard

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Originally Posted by Kamnik

I wouldn't expect him to score a lot in the NBA but he is a very good defender.

He is strong and big enough to defend SFs although he is a natural SG.

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Originally Posted by Texas_Ranger

I am not really bias, most of the time i don't like Slovenian players and complain about them but Zoran is a pretty good player.

My report on him would be:
+ great defensive player, both off and on ball... I think he's allowed to play more with hands on defense here in Europe but I am sure he'd adapt to the NBA rules.
+ good in fast breaks.
+ great energy guy, with him you're are sure that you will get 100% in an important game or in a preseason game.
+ team player. He won't force himself on offense and can be effective even if not scoring.

- Shooting. Just like his brother when he first got to the league. He can make 5 threes in a row and then not make another in the next 15 tries... I am sure Chip would make him better.
- Ball handling... He's good at it in fast breaks, but on a set up defense, he can still turn it over. But it's not as bad as Danny's.

Right now I don't think he could replace Marco, cause Marco is great for the Spurs offense with his shooting, but he's a lot better than him on defense. But I would't mind him to be the 12th guy. But I guess he'd want some playing time, and in Europe he can get it, so I doubt he'll even come to the NBA.

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Thanks to both of you for the info. :toast

I'd be a lot warmer on him if he were a few years younger. It's very possible that a spot could open at the wing in 2015, and getting a really good player locked into a long-term deal would be nice. But his inability to shoot would just kill the Spurs' offense. He's also a little too small to play the three full-time in my opinion, and that's what the Spurs could really use right now. It would be different in 2015 if Anderson is the other wing.

We'll see how serious the Spurs are. With the MLE in hand, they should be able to land Zoran if they want to. I'll defer to their judgement if they pick him up. I just hope he improves half as much as his brother has.

Lowe was discussing on his most recent podcast how difficult it can be to get people playing overseas to come over once they start getting sizeable contracts from their current teams and how Patrick Beverly was the exception because he was playing overseas but had not yet gotten a big contract in Europe.

Getting someone like Dragic would require both a role that is not a big departure from what he has with his current pro team and a contract that makes it worth coming over. The Spurs can offer the latter but not likely the former.

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

Yawn. Obvious troll is obvious. I'm not going to litter this thread with pointless arguments with a retard

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Starts the shittalking in the thread then slinks away. Typical.

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Originally Posted by anakha

Starts the shittalking in the thread then slinks away. Typical.

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Oh I started shit talking on here?

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Originally Posted by anakha

I guess with the old man succumbing to dementia downstairs, dabom had taken up the role of 'ST idiot' in his place.

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Just go to sleep, your troll is obvious

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Originally Posted by anakha

Lowe was discussing on his most recent podcast how difficult it can be to get people playing overseas to come over once they start getting sizeable contracts from their current teams and how Patrick Beverly was the exception because he was playing overseas but had not yet gotten a big contract in Europe.

Getting someone like Dragic would require both a role that is not a big departure from what he has with his current pro team and a contract that makes it worth coming over. The Spurs can offer the latter but not likely the former.

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I sort of agree. I think it's really hard for NBA teams to pay overseas players what they're worth in the league because they are simply worth more in Europe. Like Rudy Fernandez was an NBA journeyman and was going to get paid like it in the States. But he is a star in Spain and got paid like it there. So it was an easy choice for him to return home. Lorbek was a star in Spain and got that kind of money, but he was a LLE guy at best in the NBA, and the Spurs weren't willing to give him Diaw's MLE money.

The only way NBA teams can get overseas talent is by overpaying for it, not in relation to the player's credentials overseas but in relation to their respective contribution in the league. Bogdanovic is not going to be an mMLE player in all likelihood, but that's what it took to get him on the Nets. The Rockets had to drop an MLE deal for their Greek player to even get him for a year.

I guess what I am trying to say is that NBA teams can get almost any Euro they want so long as they are willing to overpay enough to overcome the value the players have to their overseas teams and the players' pride. Obviously, some players just wouldn't come over, but most would, at least for a while.

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

Oh I started shit talking on here?

Just go to sleep, your troll is obvious

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Jumping to conclusions like a moron :lmao :lmao :lmao

I was referring to your shittalking of me.

With that impassioned defense, guess dabom's your new ally now since kobyz doesn't show up much anymore.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I sort of agree. I think it's really hard for NBA teams to pay overseas players what they're worth in the league because they are simply worth more in Europe. Like Rudy Fernandez was an NBA journeyman and was going to get paid like it in the States. But he is a star in Spain and got paid like it there. So it was an easy choice for him to return home. Lorbek was a star in Spain and got that kind of money, but he was a LLE guy at best in the NBA, and the Spurs weren't willing to give him Diaw's MLE money.

The only way NBA teams can get overseas talent is by overpaying for it, not in relation to the player's credentials overseas but in relation to their respective contribution in the league. Bogdanovic is not going to be an mMLE player in all likelihood, but that's what it took to get him on the Nets. The Rockets had to drop an MLE deal for their Greek player to even get him for a year.

I guess what I am trying to say is that NBA teams can get almost any Euro they want so long as they are willing to overpay enough to overcome the value the players have to their overseas teams and the players' pride. Obviously, some players just wouldn't come over, but most would, at least for a while.

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Another point Lowe was making on his podcast was that the teams looking to shore up their lineups with overseas players tend to be the teams with less than the MLE left to offer, since the cap space and MLE tend to get used on the stars and free agents who've already played in the NBA because they're known commodities.

Teams like Miami (the past few seasons) and Cleveland now would love to get some overseas players, but since they have so little to offer, the money ends up going to older vets and ring-chasers.

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Originally Posted by anakha

Another point Lowe was making on his podcast was that the teams looking to shore up their lineups with overseas players tend to be the teams with less than the MLE left to offer, since the cap space and MLE tend to get used on the stars and free agents who've already played in the NBA because they're known commodities.

Teams like Miami (the past few seasons) and Cleveland now would love to get some overseas players, but since they have so little to offer, the money ends up going to older vets and ring-chasers.

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Yep. That's pretty much what I was thinking. It's not very often that teams are in a position like the Spurs where they just have an MLE lying around. Most teams either have major needs they target or are too bad to even want proven Euros (who aren't their own draft picks). That's why, on its face, it'll be cool for the Spurs to have hit the Euro market hard looking for some proven player who wanted to make the jump and was willing to sit a year. But as you said, it's not very likely that a Euro star would want to be a role-player or end-of-bench player, even on the Spurs. De Colo certainly hated it.

It's also something to consider that most good Euros have their rights owned by NBA teams already. So it's not like there are really that many elite youngish overseas players to choose from.

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Originally Posted by Texas_Ranger

I am not really bias, most of the time i don't like Slovenian players and complain about them but Zoran is a pretty good player.

My report on him would be:
+ great defensive player, both off and on ball... I think he's allowed to play more with hands on defense here in Europe but I am sure he'd adapt to the NBA rules.
+ good in fast breaks.
+ great energy guy, with him you're are sure that you will get 100% in an important game or in a preseason game.
+ team player. He won't force himself on offense and can be effective even if not scoring.

- Shooting. Just like his brother when he first got to the league. He can make 5 threes in a row and then not make another in the next 15 tries... I am sure Chip would make him better.
- Ball handling... He's good at it in fast breaks, but on a set up defense, he can still turn it over. But it's not as bad as Danny's.

Right now I don't think he could replace Marco, cause Marco is great for the Spurs offense with his shooting, but he's a lot better than him on defense. But I would't mind him to be the 12th guy. But I guess he'd want some playing time, and in Europe he can get it, so I doubt he'll even come to the NBA.

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Good breakdown.

With some improvement to his shooting he could be a good rotation player in the NBA.

Also his brother Goran had bad shooting % when he can over and look at him now. 41% from 3pt land.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Yep. That's pretty much what I was thinking. It's not very often that teams are in a position like the Spurs where they just have an MLE lying around. Most teams either have major needs they target or are too bad to even want proven Euros (who aren't their own draft picks). That's why, on its face, it'll be cool for the Spurs to have hit the Euro market hard looking for some proven player who wanted to make the jump and was willing to sit a year. But as you said, it's not very likely that a Euro star would want to be a role-player or end-of-bench player, even on the Spurs. De Colo certainly hated it.

It's also something to consider that most good Euros have their rights owned by NBA teams already. So it's not like there are really that many elite youngish overseas players to choose from.

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Getting ahold of key Euros nowadays seems more and more dependent on trading for their rights then doing what the Spurs did with Splitter in waiting until he wasn't covered by the rookie scale.

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Originally Posted by anakha

Getting ahold of key Euros nowadays seems more and more dependent on trading for their rights then doing what the Spurs did with Splitter in waiting until he wasn't covered by the rookie scale.

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Yeah. I think there are teams that might want to sign Ante Tomic after is dominated France a few days ago. But they can't even talk to him, because Utah owns his rights. I can't see the Jazz ever really wanting to bring him over, though. Some team would have to give them an asset if they wanted him. That kind of sucks.

I think the NBA should have something akin to the MLB's Rule 5 Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_5_draft). Teams would only be able to protect their stashed players for so long before another team could put a claim on them. That claiming team would have to immediately sign the player to a deal, or the rights would revert back to the original team. Sure, that would force teams to sign players who might not be ready. But that's better than the system we have now.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I think the NBA should have something akin to the MLB's Rule 5 Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_5_draft). Teams would only be able to protect their stashed players for so long before another team could put a claim on them. That claiming team would have to immediately sign the player to a deal, or the rights would revert back to the original team. Sure, that would force teams to sign players who might not be ready. But that's better than the system we have now.

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I'm in favor of a rule like this, but it has to be worded such that the claim would need to be something concrete (something like an actual offer sheet), otherwise this could be abused like how Morey used the 'poison pill' clause.

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Originally Posted by anakha

I'm in favor of a rule like this, but it has to be worded such that the claim would need to be something concrete (something like an actual offer sheet), otherwise this could be abused like how Morey used the 'poison pill' clause.

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I was thinking a system like the MLB's current bidding system with Japanese players. Teams get to negotiate with the player, and if they succeed in coming to a deal, they get the player and pay the old team a fixed amount. The old system was teams bidding against each other for exclusive negotiating privileges and afterward having a short period to get a deal together before the player goes back to his old team. Either system would work, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Kamnik

I wouldn't expect him to score a lot in the NBA but he is a very good defender.

He is strong and big enough to defend SFs although he is a natural SG.

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If he can play defense, then I am very interested.

I'm mostly a defense first guy, and if he can also play SF too, then he's at least worth a look. Is Texas_Ranger over-exaggerating when he said he'd be the the 3rd best perimeter defender on the team? Is his defense at that level?

Also, since he's only 6'5" and more of a SG rather than a SF, would he be capable of checking some of the best SFs in the NBA for a few minutes a game?

How is he on offense? What are his strengths on that end of the court? How bad is his shooting?

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I was thinking a system like the MLB's current bidding system with Japanese players. Teams get to negotiate with the player, and if they succeed in coming to a deal, they get the player and pay the old team a fixed amount. The old system was teams bidding against each other for exclusive negotiating privileges and afterward having a short period to get a deal together before the player goes back to his old team. Either system would work, in my opinion.

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Yeah, either system could work. The cap would need to be a factor in such a system in the NBA, otherwise the big-market teams could simply outspend everybody else.

He's listed as an SF right? So we can get him, to backup Whi with Kyle. Drop Ayres and Daye. Get Baynes back. Chinook can this happen given that Baynes signs that QO shit?

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Originally Posted by Ice009

If he can play defense, then I am very interested.

I'm mostly a defense first guy, and if he can also play SF too, then he's at least worth a look. Is Texas_Ranger over-exaggerating when he said he'd be the the 3rd best perimeter defender on the team? Is his defense at that level?

Also, since he's only 6'5" and more of a SG rather than a SF, would he be capable of checking some of the best SFs in the NBA for a few minutes a game?

How is he on offense? What are his strengths on that end of the court? How bad is his shooting?

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Texas Ranger gave a quote good breakdown regarding his strengths and weaknesses.

Yes, I think his defense could be on a very high level; he stopped Francisco Garcia and James Harden well in the past few days.. The more I think about it the more he seems Spurs material; Chip could make him a really good rotation player.