Not to a grand jury. There was no grand jury when that report was made.Quote:
Originally Posted by vy65
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Not to a grand jury. There was no grand jury when that report was made.Quote:
Originally Posted by vy65
Again, what's the purpose in having a gag order on grand jury witnesses if you can get the substance of their testimony from an incident report?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
Can you?Quote:
Originally Posted by vy65
I say no.
Sorry, if a witness already said something in an interview to the press which had already been reported before a grand jury convened, a gag order isn't going to stop the previous interview from being shown ever again until the grand jury investigation is over.
You can if the statements in the report are the same as the grand jury testimony.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
An interview with the press isn't the same as a police incident report.
:lol Dorian Johnson learned that one the hard way.Quote:
Originally Posted by vy65
How is it different?Quote:
Originally Posted by vy65
Is one less legal than the other?
Please explain.
Are you asking me what the difference is between a media interview and an police interview?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
In regards to a grand jury gag order, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by vy65
What do you mean in regards to a gag order? Your original question was why we haven't heard from Wilson, whether in an interview or through the report. My question to you is why would we have?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Statements in a report are considered more reliable because they carry potential criminal liability. The records custodian can keep it confidential.
So what is the legal precedent that declares it to be so? the one that specifically includes police reports and excludes interviews?Quote:
Originally Posted by vy65
Your question is unclear -- what do you mean "to be so."Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
You can be indicted for obstruction of justice for lying in a police report. Not so much for a cnn interview.
It's not unclear.Quote:
Originally Posted by vy65
So what is the legal precedent that declares it to be subject to a gag order when an interview isn't?
Sure it's unclear.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
All statements would be subject to the gag order. Hence why we haven't heard from Wilson in an interview, seen the report, or otherwise.
if your question is not fully understood by the person to whom it is directed, it is by definition unclearQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
You're still confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by vy65
We're talking about statements made before the grand jury.
Or you're just stalling. Whatever. I don't think you would or could answer it either way.
I cant understand for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Will check back later.
I fully expect more stalling and feigned indignance.
nevertheless that doesn't mean it wasn't unclearQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
You the Deflection Queen are taking a break?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Or is night shift Rumpy coming on?
The only thing I bring up is the contractors testimony and the distances involved. Instead spammer claims that his spam is what I am arguing. It's bad enough that he poorly understands the arguments but instead he points to shit I am not even talking about.
The police said that the distance from the car to the shooting was 35 feet. It's that first youtube.
The distance from where brown was killed to where the car door was is at least 140 feet.
If you want to believe that Mike Brown sprinted over 40 yards and then charged back at the cop to die 35 yards away then go right ahead.
Seems like the cop chased him down until he got him in range and then brained him. As the contractor said, the cop said nothing and then just shot him when he got up in range. You can see the contractor mime the motion that Brown was making right before he was shot.
Another thing is why did the cop approach him like that even to apprehend him when he clearly deemed any resistance required lethal force to protect himself. His cop friends were there in a minute and Brown was running down the middle of the street. He is in his car. Instead he gets out of his car and chases him 100 feet where he is 'forced' to use his weapon again this time with a killing blow.
I will be interested to see how this plays out with the grand jury.
In your YouTube theory.....Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
At what point did Brown turn around? And why exactly did Brown turn around.
I'm not sure. I only know that Brown had to run at least 35 yards to die where he did. The other theories presented here say he went even farther and came back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabbs
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/c...cee622c29.htmlQuote:
About a half-hour later, the worker heard a gunshot. Then he saw Brown running away from a police car. Wilson trailed about 10 to 15 feet behind, gun in hand. About 90 feet away from the car, the worker said, Wilson fired another shot at Brown, whose back was turned.
The worker said Brown stumbled and then stopped, put his hands up, turned around and said, “OK, OK, OK, OK, OK.” He said he told investigators from the St. Louis County police and the FBI that because of the stumble, it seemed to him that Brown had been wounded.
A private autopsy showed that all but one of his gunshot wounds came while Brown was facing Wilson. Shawn L. Parcells, who participated in the autopsy, said one of the wounds to the arm could have occurred when Brown was facing away from Wilson. “It’s inconclusive,” he said. St. Louis County and federal autopsy results have not been released.
Wilson, gun drawn, also stopped about 10 feet in front of Brown, the worker said.
Then Brown moved, the worker said. “He’s kind of walking back toward the cop.” He said Brown’s hands were still up.
Wilson began backing up as he fired, the worker said.
After the third shot, Brown’s hands started going down, and he moved about 25 feet toward Wilson, who kept backing away and firing. The worker said he could not tell from where he watched — about 50 feet away — if Brown’s motion toward Wilson after the shots was “a stumble to the ground” or “OK, I’m going to get you, you’re already shooting me.”
The cop said nothing after saying that he will shoot in the car by any account except the hearsay of what Wilson has claimed. I am curious what police procedure is for that type of confrontation.
i agree. i have no clue how it will go down tbh... but it seems (on both sides) that a lot of people have already made up their minds as to exactly what went down and are just scrambling to find the evidence/articles that support their theory. before many details were out iirc boutons said "i hope wilson gets convicted" or something along those lines. at the same time i'm sure WC is cheering for wilson to be exonerated.Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins