5 figure republicans always amuse me. Buying into the two party illusion is one thing but if you aren't making $100k and are voting GOP because of fiscal policy then all i can do is shake my head.
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5 figure republicans always amuse me. Buying into the two party illusion is one thing but if you aren't making $100k and are voting GOP because of fiscal policy then all i can do is shake my head.
The current polarization was business as usual. GOP obstructionism is just the same as it was under Wilson as it was under Madison as it was under Bush as it was under Obama. The only time it hasn't been like the current climate was when one party was greatly diminished for a time a la the Democrats during reconstruction and again when the GOP tanked following Hoover and the great depression.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
wasn't nearly as bad in the 80's and 90'sQuote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
As I said, the "modern" GOP extremism started with Gingrch's revolution, 1994Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...on-in-america/
Repugs, esp tea baggers/Kock Bros, have primaried moderates, have purged moderates, so the entire party has moved dramatically to the right, pulled by tea baggers.
Who can say the Dems have the same purging of moderates?
Who down the govt? Repugs. who repeatedly threatens to shut down the govt? Repugs
The Repugs have filibustered way much more under Obama?
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obama tries to ram everything through without getting a single GOP vote... the "reach across the aisle" rhetoric falls on deaf ears.
his party blindly supports him. i still remember when Pelosi said something along the lines of "we have to pass it to see what's in it" when it came to the ACA
spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeTait75
Yeah but that was when the worm turned. The GOP didn't win a chamber of the house until 1994 following the great depression. That was what I was saying about one of the parties being diminished. The Dems were much the same from 1860-1900 due to the Civil War.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
You cannot obstruct if you only have ~1/3 the seats in Congress. In the current seesaw climate its a different story.
2 party system when equitable has not been a very functional system throughout history. Single member district and the financial and institutional entrenchment is a big problem.
there are a lot of flaws, single member districts, winner take all primaries, etc. its basically set up for gridlock but i hardly recall a period of time having the amount of disfunction that we have now
the system of 2 senators from each state is ridiculous.
California has a population of 38 million, wyoming has a population of about 580,000... so a california senator techincally represents 19 million american citizens while a wyoming senator represents 290 thousand, and they carry the same weight.
since 92 we have had about 14 years of Democratic Presidency and 8 years of republican presidency. the fact that they filibustered only 40% more actually shows restraint :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
edit: saw that chart only goes till 2012. so you have 12 years of democratic presidency and 8 years of republican presidency. a natural prediction even with those numbers would estimate republicans having 50% more filibusters
Obama started out naively, even though he had been in the Senate, thinking he could achieve bi-partisan progress. He found out very quickly the Repugs blocked every single Dem project.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
WTF? the President can't "ram" through anything.
The Senate has reconciliation, which the Repugs used in 2001 a couple months after taking office, to RAM THROUGH the biggest tax cuts in US history.
the president himself can't but as i said, his party bends over at his will.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
"we have to pass it to see what's in it"
:lol http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-y0aAdLguZa...and-carrot.jpg
The xenophobia over immigrants in this thread is appalling. Many of these so-called "third world" immigrants are wealthier, more successful, and better educated than the average American.
For instance, Asian-Americans, on average, have a higher annual household income, higher educational attainment, higher IQ, and greater occupational prestige than the average American—including whites. Just look at all the Asians in Ivy League universities. These people are literally wealthier, smarter, and more educated (read: better) than you (working-class whites). And yet, you have the gall to be disgusted by their presence?
You people should consider yourselves lucky America is still able to attract top-tier talent from all over the world.
It isn't about the immigrants and why they want to come here, it's about why the elites want them here. Why does the U.S. Chambers of Commerce want millions of Mexican laborers coming here? Why does Jeffrey Zuckerberg want to import foreign programmers on H1B visas?Quote:
Originally Posted by Uriel
Cheap votes and cheap labor. That's why the elites want them here.
You talk about the working class... how does it benefit the working class to flood the labor market with millions of foreigners during a shit job market? It doesn't. In fact, it's a disaster for the working class. But as long as the elites can leverage immigrants for power and money that's all they care about.
Uriel what city u from, and are u american born?
scratch that: just saw your "you people" comment :lol... where u from?
Both parties disgust me.
Another huge reason to never vote democrat: gun rights. I'm pretty much a 2 issue voter these days.
There's quite a difference between illegal immigrants and the ones you are mentioning. Quite a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uriel
lol Uriel stop trying to piggyback the success of Asians if you're not Asian.
"You people should consider yourselves lucky America is still able to attract top-tier talent from all over the world."
Attraction would vanish if America was no longer a safe haven for wealthy.
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Originally Posted by spurraider21
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Originally Posted by m>s
I am Asian. But I'm currently residing in Australia.
same boat as tdmvpdpoy :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Uriel
The working class white people who vote Republican do so chiefly and solely because they fear other races, the gay menace, and the end of belief in the Christian religious myth.
Most working-class conservative white people think Barry Hussein Obungo is about to enlist neggers\s to terrorist fist-jab their grandmothers to death with their huge negger penises while their gay homeboys sodomize their pure, white sons. They think Obungo is going to let all the Mexicans in to take all the jobs at the factories and coal mines for half the accepted pay rate. They think all the pure, white daughters of the United States are going to stop following Jesus, start smoking weed and get pregnant by Tyrone (all by the SAME Tyrone) if one more governmental seat anywhere is taken by a librul. They think Obungo is going to have a mural of Allah fucking Jesus up the ass painted on outside of the White House if he makes it to his last official day in office.
They think libruls want to take all their guns and forcibly abort their pure, white fetuses.
They think Mitt Romney, Jamie Dimon and Sam Walton's kids are going to come together and ensure that their kids grow up to be pure, white billionaires...but only if libruls like Obungo are kept out of the way, their secret terrorist plots to destroy America foiled.
Meanwhile, here in reality, Democrat and Republican politicians pretend to be fighting while they scheme together to rile up the Republican base to distract the Democrat base with stupid non-arguments like "Gay sex is eviiiiillll. Jesus said it!" With the distractions over no-brainer social issues in place, the politicians and economic elite can buy time and hoard resources with relatively no one noticing in preparation to ditch this country and its tribalistic, mostly uneducated populace just before the final economic collapse occurs.
Here in reality, there are no "terrorist fist-jabs". There are no death panels for grandma. Factory work has been and will continue to be shipped overseas where people not raised in a first-world country will work for $2 a day. I guess you just can't pass up labor that cheap, even if it means selling out your soul and your country.
Here in reality, gay dudes don't want to fuck the Rascal Scooter Society. I'm not even gay, but I know this because it goes without saying to everyone with a properly functioning brain.
Here in reality, people like weed because it's a drug that doesn't get people killed and they don't get why it's illegal when alcohol isn't.
Here in reality, young people are quitting religion because they've realized their parents were full of shit and that religion kinda makes you do stupid things like pretending to eat a guy's body (or worse, like blowing up a clinic) if you take it too far.
Here in reality...yeah...some white girls will fuck Tyrone. That's true, but it's no big deal.
Here in reality, no one is going to take away the guns...but those guns won't save the populace if the military is loyal to the government.
Here in reality, no one is going to force abortions....for at least another 65 years. At some point, the overpopulation vs resources thing will be addressed. It will be too little too late, but a policy of limiting families will come into play and it won't be Obungo doing it.
And lastly, here in reality, rich people don't give a fuck about you or your kids and the richest of the rich people will be getting the fuck out of the States long before their voting base has realized shit has really and truly hit the fan.
But anyway, there is the answer to this thread's question. Your average, working-class Republican voter is operated, ruled and controlled by unsubstantiated and unmitigated fear, which is ginned up as a distraction from a dying economy and the intention of those in power to escape certain death alone, when the time is right.
^its this sort of mentality that holds american politics back.
it has literally boiled down to 2 sides that basically say the same shit...
"the people on the other side are mental midgets and can't accept reality. they're dumb and have bought into brainwashing propaganda!"
the hilarious thing is both sides view it JUST like that
Immigrants on visas can vote?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeTait75