Why do working-class Americans vote Republican?

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

You think working class is making min wage?

:lmao

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Sorry, I meant the poor. I'm distracted since I'm browsing SpursTalk in the middle of a university lecture. :lol

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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation

The DNC needs to hire better shills, this one is too obvious....

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I challenge you to come up with a cogent argument that contradicts my reasoning.

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Originally Posted by Uriel

university lecture. :lol

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Posted from a leftist indoctrination camp

Smh you're not supposed to take the bait, just get in hide your power level get your piece of paper and get out.

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Originally Posted by Uriel

I challenge you to come up with a cogent argument that contradicts my reasoning.

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:lol at the idea that the Democrats give a fuck about "utopia," "egalitarianism," or anything other than maintaining power....

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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation

:lol at the idea that the Democrats give a fuck about "utopia," "egalitarianism," or anything other than maintaining power....

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See, I knew you couldn't do it. :lol All you could do was evade the argument entirely and lodge an ad hominem attack. Assuming you even know what that is.

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Originally Posted by Uriel

See, I knew you couldn't do it. :lol All you could do was evade the argument entirely and lodge an ad hominem attack. Assuming you even know what that is.

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You are a liberal arts Major huh?

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Originally Posted by Infinite_limit

You are a liberal arts Major huh?

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Political science. Pre-law.

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Originally Posted by Uriel

Political science. Pre-law.

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It's okay (even admirable) to be liberal now (I was at your age) but to be taken seriously in your field down the line you have to be more of a realist. If you are a minority, going conservative is a slam dunk to success.

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Originally Posted by Infinite_limit

It's okay (even admirable) to be liberal now (I was at your age) but to be taken seriously in your field down the line you have to be more of a realist. If you are a minority, going conservative is a slam dunk to success.

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If that's the case, then I'm saddened to hear you've lost your idealism. As one matures into adulthood, it's easy to become cynical about the political system and any prospects for change, as you and many other posters in this thread seem to have fallen into.

However, the liberal democracies that thrive in the Western world today are byproducts of student-led radical movements in the French, and later, American revolutions. The aristocracy in France and the U.S. viewed the instigators of these events as hopeless idealists, as you do with me. But these people were eventually able to bring about the change that built the foundation upon which the modern-day Western world is built. Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité—these principles may be viewed as delusions of grandeur by disenchanted adults. But if everyone thought that way, then change would never be possible.

By no means am I a student radical. But the point I'm making is that it was the liberal idealism of the people and their overarching desire for change that made the Western world's way of life even possible.

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Originally Posted by Uriel

If that's the case, then I'm saddened to hear you've lost your idealism. As one matures into adulthood, it's easy to become cynical about the political system and any prospects for change, as you and many other posters in this thread seem to have fallen into.

However, the liberal democracies that thrive in the Western world today are byproducts of student-led radical movements in the French, and later, American revolutions. The aristocracy in France and the U.S. viewed the instigators of these events as hopeless idealists, as you do with me. But these people were eventually able to bring about the change that built the foundation upon which the modern-day Western world is built. Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité—these principles may be viewed as delusions of grandeur by disenchanted adults. But if everyone thought that way, then change would never be possible.

By no means am I a student radical. But the point I'm making is that it was the liberal idealism of the people and their overarching desire for change that made the Western world's way of life even possible.

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I agree with your perspective but IMO present day USA is in the stage of decadence and pushing further Left is dangerous especially considering the forced influence USA has overseas. When I was young I backed legalizing marijuana, homosexuality, multiculturalism because I was not yet ready for a family. After experiencing or being around those aspects, I question whether the USA is moving too far left too quickly in relation to the rest of the globe. And ultimately it is a large reason why I no longer see myself raising a family in America.

I am okay with sacrificing my earnings for the benefit of my neighbor/co worker/stranger I meet on the subway...... if they share my values and ideals. And this is where culture and ultimately race factors in for me. Socialism works in Europe and Asia because these are homogeneous regions.

IMO if you plan on living and having family in the USA then Republican ideology is the safe bet. Democrats are pushing and you could argue forcing by in some cases non-elected judges, social changes that will be irreversible.

In terms of economy or foreign policy, I think the differences in the two parties is splitting hairs. I prefer Republicans argument of "Work and you shall receive" instead of "We are born with benefits"

Uriel, all the Dems want is to stay in power and help the rich get richer as well. They can talk about better economic policy, but they don't have to actualize anything because their partners, the Republicans, are playing the bad cop, obstructionist act really well.

In reality, both parties have things pretty much where both parties want them to be economically.

the democratic party currently has a better marketing campaign that attracts minorities despite not really doing much for minorities

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Originally Posted by Uriel

I can, because I'm one of them. We have a vision of an egalitarian society—one that will treat all people equally, regardless of their race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or any other factor that only serves to divide people. As Martin Luther King said, "I have a dream that one day, people will be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." To that end, we're willing to vote for economic policies that will further that vision. And the Democrats, when they support the raising of the minimum wage, pay equality for men and women, and tax rates that ask people from various income levels to pay their fair share, all help to realize that vision. In other words, we're willing to vote against our economic self-interest in order to achieve a fairer and more just society for everyone.

Which is why I can't understand why working-class Republicans would want to vote for a society that disproportionately favors the wealthy at their expense.

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What is a person's "Fair Share"? Tax rate does not affect income disparity, after all. Disparity is calculated before taxes are collected, after all.

Why do working class americans vote for either party?

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Originally Posted by z0sa

Why do working class americans vote for either party?

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I think they are usually voting against the other party, therefore a third party vote is a spoiler. At least I do it that way. I very rarely vote for a candidate, but in opposition of the worse ideas a candidate wants to impose.

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Originally Posted by 101A

What is a person's "Fair Share"? Tax rate does not affect income disparity, after all. Disparity is calculated before taxes are collected, after all.

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"Fair share" is asking those who are more well-off to pay a bigger share of taxes. The money of multibillionaires is better spent on financing health and education for the general public, instead of private yachts and vacation homes in island resorts. Don't you agree?

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Originally Posted by z0sa

Why do working class americans vote for either party?

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Aren't you an atheist? Democrats support secularism.

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Originally Posted by Uriel

Aren't you an atheist? Democrats support secularism.

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the vast majority of democrats are christians.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

I think they are usually voting against the other party, therefore a third party vote is a spoiler. At least I do it that way. I very rarely vote for a candidate, but in opposition of the worse ideas a candidate wants to impose.

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Which only serves to keep the fraud two-party system entrenched....

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Originally Posted by Uriel

"Fair share" is asking those who are more well-off to pay a bigger share of taxes. The money of multibillionaires is better spent on financing health and education for the general public, instead of private yachts and vacation homes in island resorts. Don't you agree?

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I think it's better spent on what the multibillionaires want to spend it on because a.) they earned it, b.) you're not entitled to it, and c.) it's a free country....

You are a shill, and your posts are the text equivalents of those annoying robocalls that both parties send out during election cycles....

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Originally Posted by Uriel

"Fair share" is asking those who are more well-off to pay a bigger share of taxes. The money of multibillionaires is better spent on financing health and education for the general public, instead of private yachts and vacation homes in island resorts. Don't you agree?

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They pay their fair share just by making more. To keep squeezing the rich because you hate them is stupid. Besides, their buying things with their extra money pays for jobs. Their investments provide capitol for borrowing.

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Originally Posted by z0sa

the vast majority of democrats are christians.

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At least they claim. Very, very few practice the beliefs.

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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation

Which only serves to keep the fraud two-party system entrenched....

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Yes, it does. We need a runoff system to stop this practice.

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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation

I think it's better spent on what the multibillionaires want to spend it on because a.) they earned it, b.) you're not entitled to it, and c.) it's a free country....

You are a shill, and your posts are the text equivalents of those annoying robocalls that both parties send out during election cycles....

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This is so true.

I guess to the populous that wants handouts, they don't understand how working provides more wealth. Wealth is not a fixed size that when one person gets more, someone else gets less. Those getting less are because they are not motivated to try to get more.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

They pay their fair share just by making more. To keep squeezing the rich because you hate them is stupid. Besides, their buying things with their extra money pays for jobs. Their investments provide capitol for borrowing.

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Bills have to be paid...either the rich pay them or you do....plus corporations pay little in actual taxes, many none at all, yet they want the same rights as you and I...