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Well that sucks. I understand Sony not wanting to budge, Far From Home is now their biggest movie ever. But personally I have zero interest in an isolated Spiderman movie, or some Venomverse Spiderman crap. And I have much less interest in the MCU going forward without Spidey. So it would be in both Marvel and Sony's best interest to get this worked out.
I'd be interested to hear what Tom Holland thinks about this.
:lol
sony doesn’t even have to make good movies to make bank. losers would still line up see them.
A lot of bitching about sony, while people should be bitching about disney.
Nah. Sony has shown they're shit when they have creative control. Venom did well bc avg fan was stupid enough to think it was an actual MCU movie, most likely. That gravy train won't continue. We'll have another spiderman reboot within 5 years with sony at the helm. Dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas_Ranger
I think the Holland shine will wear off real quick when he follows a script that isn't right for him and completely ignore his entire mythos in this iteration going forward
all the sony's spider-man movies did very well. They showed that they don't really need disney. And going from 5% to 50% is a shitty move by disney, while they already make all the money from merch.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMarcus Bryant
I am also not the biggest fan of this new Spider-man, cause to me he looks like Iron-Man Jr. I loved him in Civil War. I think both of his solo movies are not that great, but just OK. Still better than the Amazing Spider-man, but not really as good as SM2 or even 1. I get it that some people don't agree, but that's just my opinion. I am also pretty sure they will make a new deal and by New Year SM will be back in the MCU, which needs him cause Phase 4 looks shit.
I do kind of chuckle at folks saying Sony is going to somehow lose money by going on its own. Even the crappiest Spider-Man movie grossed $700 million. It will be interesting to see how Venom 2 shapes up as far as the budget goes. Hiring Sekris seems like a good gamble. Still not expecting great writing.
No one is saying otherwise. That's why I said they'll reboot it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas_Ranger
From fans perspective it's stupid though because those Sony movies are total fraud shit. The Solo sony holland movies will do well but be made fun of hard core.
That's why I mentioned venom. It made a killing but it blew and had 70 yo woody harrleson as carnage roflrofl
Yes but ASM2 was pretty bad and it looked like the the series was going in the wrong direction. They spend so much money creating and advertising these movies that $700 million gross doesn't necessarily mean they make their money back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlov
It only really did badly in the states. That was the difference between the numbers for ASM and ASM2. The writing/rewriting in ASM2 was indeed terrible and no one was looking forward to the Sinister Seven they were planning. I think they probably learned some movie making lessons from Feige and budget ideas from Venom; enough to give them confidence to go ahead alone if they have to. It was going to be weird to have a Spidey/Venom movie while ignoring all the MCU stuff anyway. They got the Toms for two more movies. A solo movie for each, then Spidey/Venom and worry about the future after that. It's going to be very difficult to screw that up in basic money terms IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by elbamba1
Story spreading now that Marvel/Disney asked for more of a split after Dark Phoenix flopped. Makes sense
Disney bought Fox for 71 billions, I am sure they will survive with the 150M Dark Phoenix lost. Also, Dark Phoenix still counts as a Fox movie. Disney just wants to own everything, fuck them.Quote:
Originally Posted by leemajors
dark phoenix was still a fox production, not marvel/disney, wasn't it?
i dont see why dark phoenix' performance would be a motivating factor in a deal between disney and sony
https://www.cinemablend.com/news/247...ider-man-splitQuote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
article title is in the form of a question.Quote:
Originally Posted by leemajors
the insinuation is that they decided to let spiderman go so feige can focus on the fox imports. doesn't make sense at all. spiderman is the biggest draw they have.
If Sony does do a spider-verse movie with Garfield and McGuire, which they should, because $$$$$. Then that's how they get around the Avengers thing Hollands spider-man gets transported to one of the other worlds, with no avengers.
True. Stick Miles in there if Holland doesn't want to come back after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100
Disney got greedy, plain and simple. Dark Phoenix bombing doesn't change that. No way Sony was going 50/50 on their most valuable franchise.
I was just about to say the main MCU has a real dearth of young heroes if they lose Spider-Man. Lo and behold it leaks that Ms. Marvel is being developed for Disney+. Will be interesting if that revives the whole inhumans storyline from Agents of Shield or they go another direction. Terrigen has been in the ocean for five years (I guess ten after Endgame) so Kamala could just get the bad fish oil.
Not a huge fan of Holland’s SM after rewatching a few months back. Still haven’t seen the second one.
He doesn’t suck, but its kinda meh. Just a little too goofy. His constant overreacting “oh no” style high pitched voice for every situation gets old pretty quickly.
Are they in the post credits for Far from Home? Thought I heard that somewhere. I thought that’s kinda where they were headed if it was true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100
I thought Spiderverse was great.
-Phase 4 looks fine tbh, their expanding on existing characters and adding new ones to the game. Phase 5 (starting in 2022) is shaping up to be crazy (BP 2, Captain Marvel 2, GOTG 3, Blade, Fantastic 4, New Avengers, and limited series' possibly based around Ms. Marvel and also War Machine)Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas_Ranger
-Really don't agree on the Raimi Trilogy. Bad acting and overall corniness hurt them. Only Spider man 2 is decent and that's because the Doc OC and Spider-Man fight scenes still hold up. I hold the Amazing Spiderman series in higher regard, the first one at least because Garfield and Stone acted circles around Franko and McGuire (Franko in particular, McGuire was stiff as a board) and better directed. Homecoming and FFH are the two best movies by far, though.
-Actively pissing off the fan base isn't good for business, tbh. Why do $800 million when they could do $1 Billion? That is losing money. The first two Holland movies did a combined 1.9 Billion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlov
Why give away half? That is losing money.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
That too, but going back to the table and renegotiating down is really the best option. The fans blame them and they have a famously sketchy track record with superhero movies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlov
It's better to have the MCU connection because of the shared characters that could appear in Spider-Man (Deadpool, Daredevil, King Pin, Fantastic 4, for example) than to start a viliian-verse with Morbius and Venom.
Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan) series reportedly happening for Disney+ according to Hollywood Reporter.
Likely going to be in phase 5, just before Captain Marvel 2 comes out.
I don't blame them, though I do think negotiating would be a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
It's great having Spidey in the MCU but he's completely dependent on his MCU connections here, which is ultimately a bit lame because half of the character's appeal is his having to figure out the superhero business on his own. We're missing a whole lot by his being Sticky Iron Man.
Also confirmed are Moon Knight and She HulkQuote:
Originally Posted by cd021
Kit whatshisname from Games of Thrones is being considered by Marvel Studios for an unknown role
BW movie trailer also leaked online
Just saw She Hulk and Moon Knight news :wowQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Interesting to see if they get Hulk into the She Hulk series ,for an episode or two, to further his story with no Avengers movies for the next 4 years, probably.
I don't think we are tbh, we've seen the Uncle Ben story line alot, we really don't need to see it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlov
I think Spider-Man 3 was going to build upon the growth of his character and we would have gotten to see him grow into his own superhero.
Don't love that it may just be him fighting two random rogue gallery viliians without the heart that the first two had.
Who said anything about Uncle Ben?Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
No shit. Might be more interesting without Iron Boy suit.Quote:
I think Spider-Man 3 was going to build upon the growth of his character and we would have gotten to see him grow into his own superhero.
Same writer. Who knows?Quote:
Don't love that it may just be him fighting two random rogue gallery viliians without the heart that the first two had.
I got a feeling shit will work out. This Pitch Meeting sums it up nicely.
So Kit whatshisname has been confirmed for the EternalsQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
I've seen criticism leveled against the MCU Spider-Man because of no Uncle Ben.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlov
The issue is that I didn't think fans are confident that Sony can pull off what was built up for Spider-Man 3. Even if they can, they may lose some credibility.
Kit Harrington confirmed as the Black Knight for the movie the Eternals
https://www.cbr.com/black-knight-kit...als-character/
He's an Avenger in the comics.
the adult version of Monica Rambo (the kid from Captain Marvel), in the comics she's a lot in the comics but may end up being Photon, will be in Wanda/Vision.
https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a...rter-us-agent/
U.S. Agent/ Super Patriot confirmed too for Falcon/Winter Soldier.
Adult Monica Rambeau in Wandavision
Wtf
The show will also feature Darcy from previous Thor movies and that Asian agent from Antman 2
Curious about Ms. Marvel's origin. Apparently shes a decendant of Inhumans in the comics but they don't exist in the MCU (Marvel TV doesn't generally count)
The show comes after Wanda/Vision, think there's a chance that she could be introduced as a mutant.
Then again, they may save the first introduced mutant for Namor the Submariner in Black Panther 2
The Rock's been rumored for Namor the Submariner.
That would be the perfect role for him in the MCU tbh.
I like him but I’m not sure he’s right for the roleQuote:
Originally Posted by cd021
But he might do a good job
https://comicbook.com/marvel/2019/08...-be-two-thors/
Thor 4 director confirms that there will be 2 Thor's (Foster and Odinson).
There is a rumor that the Loki series will play a role in getting Thor's hammer from an alternate timeline to the main timeline
as a guy that actually read some of the Jane Foster Thor comics, all i gotta say is good luck.
also having ''Thor'' as a title is retarded.
There must be some alternate reality wizardry at work
Yeah female thor sounds whack mostly bc I can't take Natalie portman seriously as an ass kicking superhero. She's so frail looking
Yeah, she's 5'3, hard for me to see them pulling that off without making her look silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMarcus Bryant
The one criticism I have of the Rock is that he tends to play a different of himself in movies- The Rock has a hot daughter and ex wife and their is a big earthquake, The Rock's a lifeguard, the rock has a ten year old kid that he didn't know about, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
He's charismatic as hell though, also half Black and Half Samoan. He'll be 50 by the time BP 2 comes out, though they may want to go younger.
Yup The Rock is super charismatic
As for Portman, I’ve learned my lessons
Didn’t expect Ledger to be a good Joker, but he delivered
I also surprisingly liked Batfleck
Can't discount Portman entirely after Black Swan and Lucy in the Sky looks like a winner too, but she seems terribly reliant on the writing to be any good, and the writing for her in the MCU has been just slightly above George Lucas level.
i really disliked her character in the first Thor film. oh, here's super smart scientist girl who suddenly drops her panties and gets all goo-goo eyed over muscle manQuote:
Originally Posted by Pavlov
Uh, that was the only part of the movie that was nonfiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Thor 2 gets called the worst MCU movie but Thor was pretty damn bad tbh.
It's okay getting to stare at Kat Dennings in all her curvy glory balances that out.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Regardless of her other work... she's done nothing in the MCU that made me think "they need to bring Jane Foster back", much less give her a leading role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlov
I agree. I thought it was a weird move after Portman disappeared from the movies. Having Waititi on board at least makes me think it will be entertaining. If they work in some of the cancer angle from the comics it could be much more than a girl power show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xevious
https://mcucosmic.com/2019/08/27/mar...in-the-future/
Ms. America Disney + show reportedly being developed.
Article mentions that, if true, then the MCU would have pretty much all of the Ultimates- an Avengers like group but for space. Captain Marvel, Black Panther, and Spectrum are also in the group.
https://i.ibb.co/pvvdQ1M/Screenshot-...11-07-29-1.png
Fictional faggots. In content aimed at children. Westeners are sick people.
You ran to this thread so you can bitch about two comic book characters that may or may not appear in the MCU? :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
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Originally Posted by FrostKing
https://i.ibb.co/8KwTQf2/Screenshot-...12-24-31-1.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by cd021
You went to the SJW film
You supported it
Now you'll get even more leftist ideals
You're an easterner?Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
:lmao gay comic book super heroes
This is new to you? You do know that Batwoman was gay too?Quote:
Originally Posted by koriwhat
Imagine getting triggered by whether a comic character is gay or straight.
I went to movie with a female lead, so what?Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Stop bitching and find a hobby or better yet a woman- assuming that that isn't too SJW for you.
https://www.cbr.com/hawkeye-hailee-s...te-bishop-mcu/
Hailee Steinfield in talks to play Kate Bishop
pretty great casting if it happens tbh she's one of the better young actresses. Hawkeye series sounds a lot better tbh.
She is pretty goodQuote:
Originally Posted by cd021
nope i didn't know that nor am i triggered. i find it all to be amusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reck
you triggered some dude you don't know has a laugh at this bullshit? :lol
ps: cat woman started being lez when, in 2017? :lmao
Try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by koriwhat
Batwoman started being lesbian in 2006Quote:
Originally Posted by koriwhat
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by cd021
:lmao skinny crackheads laughing at anybody else.Quote:
Originally Posted by koriwhat
who's this crackhead you keep talking about? you're a bitch homie hiding behind an alt and you know it too. :tu :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Kim Jong-il
So apparently Marvel Studios want to cast black people as Professor X and Magneto :lmao
TBH the last two magnetos and x's castings were fantastic, it's not their fault the franchises went to crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Feige would be crazy not to try and get Fassbender to reprise his role as Magneto, greatest comic book villian in comic book movie history tbh. Bring back McAvoy too just forget the previous X-men movies that they were in.
As for Disney trying to cast black a Magneto's and Professor X, weren't they based on Malcolm X and MLK Jr. ? Not that huge of a deal tbh.
Fury was white for 45 years, before Samuel Jackson was cast, Mary Jane was white for 50 years, before Zendaya was cast. Both were great calls so I don't really care.
what are you gonna do. boycott them again? :lmao
Hollywood will always rely on good goys likes 21 to show up and spend that paper no matter what trash is being regurgitated. :lol
Few thoughts
- They aren't touching Magneto because his origin is Jewish family and there would be hell to pay in Hollywood if they made a "black Jew"
- Further proof blacks never accomplished a damn thing without White people holding their hand or outright doing it for them.
Cucks and faggots unite
https://i.ibb.co/XbLpcw9/38826-1.jpg
Who cares about Mary Jane Watson lolQuote:
Originally Posted by cd021
https://brobible.com/culture/article...-villain-role/
Speculation is that they are trying to holla at Denzel for Magneto and Will Smith for Professor X :wow
People on social media were outraged when they found out about Zendaya being cast lolQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by cd021
She did a better job than Kirsten Dunst
Do you even like Comic book movies our are you here just to bitch?Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Also the Professor X and Magneto characters were created by white people but based on two black leaders so that's B.S.
supply and demand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris
if they keep producing a good product, i'll keep paying for it
So RDJ will be in the next Black Widow movie
:lmao you're really triggered by moviesQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
I finally saw Dark Phoenix this weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
It was NOT nearly as bad as everyone on reddit tried to make it seem. Was better than apocalypse by far, great sound track. Overall was bad, but not THAT bad.
I was very sad as that train scene ensued knowing it was likely the last time we get to see Fassbender's Magneto in action :( :( :( Fingers crossed they bring him back, because his presence in that role (ignoring shitty scripts) is just as great as Jackman's wolverine
I saw it recently too, it was ok, certainly better than the RT score and word of mouth but Fassbender really helped it from being a disaster. His Magneto really captures the complexity of character.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMarcus Bryant
I like the idea of simply restarting the series for the MCU and keeping McAvoy and Fassbender, possibly even Sophie Turner for Professor X, Magneto and Jean Gray.
They apparently want to go in another direction, though.
Sophie Turner is not good IMO but the writing for these movies has been abysmal these last two outings. It will be sad to see Fassbinder go, and maybe Hoult save his fuzzy electric blue fur. McAvoy is OK; guess I'll have to think of another younger guy who might not look hilarious bald.
Turner was fine tbh, the writing failed her. Asking her to carry a movie in a franchise she basically just joined was already hard enough then the fact that they reshoot the final 30 minutes of movies because it was like Captain Marvel and the movie got laughed at in test screenings didn't help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlov
Didn't love beast, it looked Teen-Wolf like tbh. CGI might be best for Beast going forward instead of practical effects. I heard Will Smith might be up for Professor X if Feige decides to go with Black actors for Xavier and Magneto . I actually think he'd be great for that role.
Agreed....McAvoy started out equally amazing as Fassbender but Apocalypse and DP writing was so bland and blah I found myself laughing at every professor X line in the last two movies. I would have liked to have a legit crazy howling scream of angst from Magneto when he learned Mystique died, felt it woulda worked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlov
Fassbender just bleeds emotion. I re-watched the entire 2nd X series prior to DP and was dead inside at how amazing the first Magneto half of first class still is, and how well it still holds up. What could have been...
I didn't think Sophie was as bad as all the internet couch critics tried to say she was, I agree large part of it was the script.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
I dug how they went a different emotional type of struggle, I did not mind them jamming Girl Power stuff in the subtext. If she had had better lines and gone a little more berserk and killed more cast members besides mystique, I think her character would have been fine.
I thought the X-Woman line was a bit much. They could've benefited from another movie in the series before Dark Phoenix like what was planned. Jean Gray only appearing in Apocalypse meant that the emotional stuff didn't hit as hard as it should've. The thing that made Woverine's death work was that there was 17 years and 8 movies behind it, 9 movies and 11 years for Iron Man.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMarcus Bryant
Overall, she was fine given the situation. Didn't look bad either.
So Spiderman is back in the MCU
Lol we all knew they would eventually come to an arrangement
More hyping of the Spidey movies, smart marketing strategy
:lmao DCQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Marvel S have been curb stomping DC with or without SpideyQuote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
I did like Batfleck tho, and Aquaman ain’t too bad
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
:lol
First time 4 MCU movie gonna be released in the same year will be 2021 along with the Wanda/Vision, Hawkeye, and Loki series :wow
https://screenrant.com/marvel-disney...s-150-million/
Marvel's Disney + Series are going to have between $100-150 million budgets to match the "visual style" of the movies.
https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/mar...tv-1203349869/
Marvel TV studio in doubt after Ghost Rider and New Warriors being cancelled. They can't compete with Marvel Studio's bigger budget TV series'
I don't even know why they are separate anymore; the TV division was always looked down upon by everyone at Disney. Marvel Studios can take on projects with smaller budgets. All depends on the project. Ghost Rider needs the money for effects -- AoS blew their budget rendering a halfway decent one -- so I'm glad Feige seems to be claiming that property. Something like The Punisher doesn't need that -- spending the same money as before on an 8-10 episode season would be just fine. Cloak and Dagger is already doing more with less if that comes back.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
I really liked Ghost Rider in AOSQuote:
Originally Posted by Pavlov
Hopefully they keep Luna for the titular role if GR happens
I liked him too, but I think they'll go with one of the motorcycle dudes, probably Johnny. Robbie has the most interesting story though.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Johnny BlazeQuote:
Originally Posted by Pavlov
He made a brief appearance in in AOS
(Flashback scene where we see how Reyes got his powers)