The Politics of Katrina

There is a thread about the short and long term effects Katrina will have on future oil prices, which went up about a dime today across the country.

There is also a thread following the rapidly degenerating conditions in the New Orleans and lower Louisiana, Mississippi area.

...but has anyone ELSE noticed hints of racial bias reporting on some new stations....for instance..

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg....lt-268x384.jpg

Two residents wade through chest-deep water after finding bread and soda from a local grocery store after Hurricane Katrina came through the area in New Orleans, Louisiana.(AFP/Getty Images/Chris Graythen)

Compare and Contrast:

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A young man walks through chest deep flood water after looting a grocery store in New Orleans on Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005. Flood waters continue to rise in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina did extensive damage when it made landfall on Monday. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)

Black or White, Isn't everyone just trying to survive? Shouldn't they relax 'borrowing laws', especially in Grocery stores in the area for everybody?

Good one.

exactly



you figure they would just drive their Tahoes somewhere

That bread is worthless after being dragged throught that contaminated water.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/t...tells_bush.jpg

"Terrorists have just flown a plane into the other World Trade tower"

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/t...om_closeup.jpg

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http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/t...tells_bush.jpg

"Mr. President, New Orleans is sinking and possibly lost"

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doesnt he look like the greatest leader of all time?
so stong
a man of conviction

I hear he had prior warning that a Katrina was determined to strike New Orleans.

if only he could run in 08...
he could base his whole campaign on hurricane katrina

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

I hear he had prior warning that a Katrina was determined to strike New Orleans.

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That's OK they'll just blame Clinton.

Meanwhile, the Singing cowboy is touring New O"leans, or what's let of it, on Friday

http://home.usit.net/~aeromancy/post/nerobush.jpg

You guys are so out of control, so unhinged with your hatred for Bush that no one can take anything you say seriously and you do a disservice to all leftwing moonbats everywhere.

Pretty pathetic, even for you Dan.

we are facing a new enemy, an enemy that has many faces. This war won't end quickly but we must strike back. We didn't start this war by we will finish it.



DAMN YOU MOTHER NATURE!!!!

I feel a pretty good point in the original post in this thread has been tarnished by Dan's propensity to post non-sequitous pictures of the President.

Bush did it.. they just installed his Weather Machine at the ranch.

He was gonna make it rain on Cindy Sheehan but didn't want anyone to film the chrome beam when it comes out of it's underground bunker to fire.

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Originally Posted by scott

I feel a pretty good point in the original post in this thread has been tarnished by Dan's propensity to post non-sequitous pictures of the President.

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I think the Katrina thread in the Club covered the original point of this thread pretty completely. Besides, there are a lot of behind-the-scene politics that are going on right now as everyone tries to play the CYA game.

This thread will get plenty of action.

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Originally Posted by Jelly

You guys are so out of control, so unhinged with your hatred for Bush that no one can take anything you say seriously and you do a disservice to all leftwing moonbats everywhere.

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Common Jelly, we're just having a little fun. We could bore you with boring articles about how W cut funding for the New Orleans Army Corp Of Engineers, Or how W cut ]Clinton's Emergency Mitigation Program that would have taken measures to minimize damage from this type of natural disaster in the New Orleans area.

We could also post you about how W cut funding for Hurricane and flood protection in the New Orleans area including a study that would have determined ways to protect the city from a CAT5 hurricane, but what's the point? You'll just say its left-wing bloggershere hysteria.

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New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin just told WWL TV in New Orleans that the project to fill the breach in the 17th St Canal flood wall with sandbags didn't fail -- the sandbags were never tried. Nagin suggested that, after repairing the breach had been made the top priority in discussions with state, federal and Orleans Parish Levee Board officials this morning, someone had apparently "reprioritized" the helicopter earmarked for the sandbag assignment. The result: unless somebody thinks of something in the next 12 to 15 hours, Nagin said, currently dry areas of New Orleans, including the French Quarter and the Garden District, will be inundated to a point three feet above sea level.

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Huffington Post

Incompetance at the highest levels.

If Dubya can change the minds of Nagin and Blanco (both Demo's) about rebuilding on the current site, I'll change my admittedly low opinion of our Prez. I might even drive Yoni to Mt. Rushmore for the new face unveiling.

He'll have to buy the beer, though, if I have to spring for gas.

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Incompetance at the highest levels.

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Incompetence? Did you see the size of the hole of the levee? The sandbags weren't going to stop that.

Meanwhile, those choppers they diverted contributed to over 3000 people being plucked from the roofs of their homes and delivered to dry land.

Yeah, totally incompetent.

It's the mayor.. he's on crack... first he wanted "attention and a national eye"..
Now he's lashing out at the military and stupid sandbags..

Water in volume is VERY powerfull... sandbags are not designed for mega breeches.

Even a cop joins in the looting
Mike Perlstein and Brian Thevenot
Staff writers

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Law enforcement efforts to contain the emergency left by Katrina slipped into chaos in parts of New Orleans Tuesday with some police officers and firefighters joining looters in picking stores clean.

At the Wal-Mart on Tchoupitoulas Street, an initial effort to hand out provisions to stranded citizens quickly disintegrated into mass looting. Authorities at the scene said bedlam erupted after the giveaway was announced over the radio.

While many people carried out food and essential supplies, others cleared out jewelry racks and carted out computers, TVs and appliances on handtrucks.

Some officers joined in taking whatever they could, including one New Orleans cop who loaded a shopping cart with a compact computer and a 27-inch flat screen television.

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“The police got all the best stuff. They’re crookeder than us,” one man said.

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NOLA

This thread has long been flooded with irrational thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

There is a thread about the short and long term effects Katrina will have on future oil prices, which went up about a dime today across the country.

There is also a thread following the rapidly degenerating conditions in the New Orleans and lower Louisiana, Mississippi area.

...but has anyone ELSE noticed hints of racial bias reporting on some new stations....for instance..

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg....lt-268x384.jpg

Two residents wade through chest-deep water after finding bread and soda from a local grocery store after Hurricane Katrina came through the area in New Orleans, Louisiana. (AFP/Getty Images/Chris Graythen)

Compare and Contrast

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg....na_ladm102.jpg

A young man walks through chest deep flood water after looting a grocery store in New Orleans on Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005. Flood waters continue to rise in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina did extensive damage when it made landfall on Monday. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)

Black or White, Isn't everyone just trying to survive? Shouldn't they relax 'borrowing laws', especially in Grocery stores in the area for everybody?

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There is no doubt in my mind that you have proven racial profiling has been committed here! :spin :blah :shootme :rolleyes

Why must there be a political angle to any of this? I'm not a Republican by any means, and I don't support George Bush in much, but this isn't a situation about political decision-making or finger pointing. The story is that cities like New Orleans, Biloxi, and Gulfport, and countless burgs between them, are devastated and facing months (if not years) of suffering. That's not a red state or a blue state story -- it has nothing to do with who is President. Political gainsaying at this time about this issue is just unseemly to me. We should be laser-focused on finding solutions to the problems that face the Gulf States, because those problems are already significant and they aren't resolving themselves.

end of rant.

NBADan= Robert F Kennedy?

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

Why must there be a political angle to any of this? I'm not a Republican by any means, and I don't support George Bush in much, but this isn't a situation about political decision-making or finger pointing. The story is that cities like New Orleans, Biloxi, and Gulfport, and countless burgs between them, are devastated and facing months (if not years) of suffering. That's not a red state or a blue state story -- it has nothing to do with who is President. Political gainsaying at this time about this issue is just unseemly to me. We should be laser-focused on finding solutions to the problems that face the Gulf States, because those problems are already significant and they aren't resolving themselves.

end of rant.

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well, this is Dan's thread, and sadly he is only able to see in red and blue.

why people scoff Dan so much

1. he right VERY often
2. he doesnt give bush oral sex
3. because he is nbadan and people say hes a crazy leftist lefty

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Originally Posted by mookie2001

why people scoff Dan so much

1. he right VERY often
2. he doesnt give bush oral sex
3. because he is nbadan and people say hes a crazy leftist lefty

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The next post you make better claim that someone hacked your account and has been trying to make you look stupid.

fromwaydowntown came correct right there

you mean user

thats fine, call me a lefty leftist
when i get to where neocons give me no credibility just because they dont want to hear what im saying and because people say im a lefty leftist
it will prove my point

No, I meant FWD.

I was just a little late.

Those captions were obviously GWB's fault.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Those captions were obviously GWB's fault.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

There is a thread about the short and long term effects Katrina will have on future oil prices, which went up about a dime today across the country.

There is also a thread following the rapidly degenerating conditions in the New Orleans and lower Louisiana, Mississippi area.

...but has anyone ELSE noticed hints of racial bias reporting on some new stations....for instance..

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg....lt-268x384.jpg

Two residents wade through chest-deep water after finding bread and soda from a local grocery store after Hurricane Katrina came through the area in New Orleans, Louisiana.(AFP/Getty Images/Chris Graythen)

Compare and Contrast:

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg....na_ladm102.jpg

A young man walks through chest deep flood water after looting a grocery store in New Orleans on Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005. Flood waters continue to rise in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina did extensive damage when it made landfall on Monday. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)

Black or White, Isn't everyone just trying to survive? Shouldn't they relax 'borrowing laws', especially in Grocery stores in the area for everybody?

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i cant believe Dan would suggest that!
what a leftyass leftist

The concept of sarcasm is apparently lost on the young boy.

sorry, to obtain the the credibility you have earned maybe i should start listing the spurs starters and depth charts under contract in all my posts

Weak. Even for you.

Maybe I should start going off on upper middle class white people and the cars they drive because I have a fixation driven by an inferiority complex. Then I'd be cool.

LOL
i never said anything about upper middle class white people asshole
all people that are rich dont drive tahoes and all tahoe drivers arent rich

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Originally Posted by mookie2001

you mean user

thats fine, call me a lefty leftist
when i get to where neocons give me no credibility just because they dont want to hear what im saying and because people say im a lefty leftist
it will prove my point

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Did I say you were a "lefty leftist"? No.

Am I a neocon? No.

Is what you said plain stupid? Yes.

:lol

Dan is right? Ever?

Let me know when Dan's draft arrives.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

:lol

Dan is right? Ever?

Let me know when Dan's draft arrives.

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Making predictions of events is the easy part, but sometimes the timing gets thrown off by unforeseen circumstances. Take the bombing of Iran’s nuclear facilities for instance, this was one of the three predictions that I hesitated to make for 05 because the nomination of John Bolton to the US ambassador seat was a key to when these plans would be set in motion. Well, those plans were obviously delayed and now a new timeline has been set into motion. Do you see how circumstances remain the same but timing can fluctuate?

The draft will come, of that I am certain. When? I hate to say it but the key event is when we are attacked again, perhaps even when we attack Iran's nuclear facilities.

I predict tomorrow will be another day.

Anyway, back to the Politics of Katrina...

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President George W. Bush peers out the cabin window of Air Force One as he surveys the damage along the Gulf Coast on August 31, 2005. Air Force One made an unprecedented low level flight over the destruction areas caused by hurricane Katrina. (Mannie Garcia/Reuters) Email Photo Print Photo

That's right Georgie, lean forward more and pretend you really give a shit.

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That's right Georgie, lean forward more and pretend you really give a shit.

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:rolleyes

Here's what W saw..

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg....rina_wx107.jpg

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg....rina_wx106.jpg

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg....lt-384x248.jpg

That's right Dan, pretend you aren't blinded by hate.

This is the "Air America" of Katrina discussion threads.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

Anyway, back to the Politics of Katrina...

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg....trina_bush.jpg

President George W. Bush peers out the cabin window of Air Force One as he surveys the damage along the Gulf Coast on August 31, 2005. Air Force One made an unprecedented low level flight over the destruction areas caused by hurricane Katrina. (Mannie Garcia/Reuters) Email Photo Print Photo

That's right Georgie, lean forward more and pretend you really give a shit.

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My goodness. What do you want? Does he need to be inconsolably crying to prove that he's concerned?

Like I say, I don't support the man one bit. But, I suspect he's concerned about what's going on in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida the same way that I'm concerned about it -- which is to say, significantly. I mean, for crissakes, the caption itself says that AF1 made an unprecedented low-level flight. I suspect that Mr. Bush may have played some part in ordering that to happen. Perhaps I am wrong. Nevertheless, this shouldn't be (and, in fact, isn't) a political moment. This is about understanding what has happened so that appropriate decisions can be made about what should be done. That has nothing to do with the ideology of the President, whether you think he does not wrong or abhor him and his policies.

In terms of the timing of the President's concern (since I suspect that's what's coming next), I don't think there's an issue there, either. The President was on the air on Sunday afternoon and evening, extolling people in that part of the country to heed the advice of local officials and evacuate. He also authorized declarations of emergency for many Louisiana Parishes before Katrina made landfall. He may not have responded directly on Monday or even Tuesday morning, but most of the reporting that I saw on Monday afternoon and Tuesday morning hadn't yet reached the issue of the overwhelming floods in New Orleans and the apocalyptic damage along the Mississippi gulf. In fact, on Monday night, many seemed to think that New Orleans had dodged the proverbial bullet. As that has turned out to be incorrect -- as the situation has become more grave -- the federal government's response has been appropriate.

Take a step back and gain some perspective. This is a catostropic time for a whole lot of people who are too preoccupied with trying to put their lives back together to give one thought to politics. I think we should indulge that way of thinking for a little while, rather than trying to make political hay on the backs of so many unfortunate souls.

The media story that started this thread was worth investigating, but it has nothing to do with the White House or the government's response to the tragedy. That has everything to do with the likelihood of latent racism in the media. That's not a question of governmental politics or White House policy-making; it's a question of the judgment exercised by the media.

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That's right Dan, pretend you aren't blinded by hate.

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I don't hate anyone, let alone George Bush. He is only a facilitator for what is happening to us politically, economically, socially, the real problem is really within each of us. A great man once said, "You may not care about politics, but be certain that politics will care about you".

Either you are with us or you are with the hurricanes, Nbadan.

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My goodness. What do you want? Does he need to be inconsolably crying to prove that he's concerned?

Like I say, I don't support the man one bit. But, I suspect he's concerned about what's going on in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida the same way that I'm concerned about it -- which is to say, significantly. I mean, for crissakes, the caption itself says that AF1 made an unprecedented low-level flight. I suspect that Mr. Bush may have played some part in ordering that to happen. Perhaps I am wrong. Nevertheless, this shouldn't be (and, in fact, isn't) a political moment. This is about understanding what has happened so that appropriate decisions can be made about what should be done. That has nothing to do with the ideology of the President, whether you think he does not wrong or abhor him and his policies.

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So the extent of W's public concern the last two days has been a 2 sentence mention during a photo-opt and having his pilot drop his luxurious AF1 from 30,000 to 20,000 feet so he could get a good look-see, and you find that to be adequate leadership in this time of crisis?

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

So the extent of W's public concern the last two days has been a 2 sentence mention during a photo-opt and having his pilot drop his luxurious AF1 from 30,000 to 20,000 feet so he could get a good look-see, and you find that to be adequate leadership in this time of crisis?

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First of all, you don't know that he hasn't been communicating with people who are more closely-involved in the crisis or ordering the mobilization of whatever assistance he can.

But besides that, what should he do? What leadership should he be providing? You don't like a two sentence mention; well, would a 30 minute television speech be better? I don't see how, since it's not like those who are most immediately affected by the circumstances (people who won't have power for weeks, or perhaps months) are going to see or hear anything the President does for some time. Should he don scuba equipment and swim down Canal Street? That would be asinine. Should he go to the Superdome and visit with displaced families? Why, when the structure is in enough disrepair to send those very families scrambling to Houston?

I just don't see what more the man is supposed to do, and I don't see why my friends on the Left have chosen to see this as an opportunity to politicize an inherently non-political occurrence. I don't support this President, but this isn't his mess.

Trying to make immediate political gains on the backs of suffering people is just offensive.

The next thing he does do will be shrugged off as a photo op anyway.

What Bush apparently needed to do is be dropped into a flooded New Orleans neighborhood, walk on the water and then command the waters to part and lead his people to the promised land (or Baton Rouge, as it were). When they reach it, then W will have to feed the masses with five loaves of bread (whole wheat, not that white shit) and a couple of smoked Atlantic salmon.

Or perhaps we can regard Nbadan as perhaps the most entertaining crackpot the internets have ever seen.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

So the extent of W's public concern the last two days has been a 2 sentence mention during a photo-opt and having his pilot drop his luxurious AF1 from 30,000 to 20,000 feet so he could get a good look-see, and you find that to be adequate leadership in this time of crisis?

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http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/w....114d6821.html

WASHINGTON -- President Bush is back at the White House, after getting a first-hand view of some of the devastation from Hurricane Katrina.

As Air Force One carried Bush back from his Texas ranch, it flew over New Orleans at about 2,500 feet, and then descended to about 1,700 feet over Mississippi. Bush peered through a window at the scene below. Both of his fists were clenched, and his face was grim.

A spokesman later quoted him as saying, "It's devastating, it's got to be doubly devastating on the ground."

At one point, the president saw a hard-hit coastal community and told his staff, "It's totally wiped out."

Bush is scheduled to make public remarks about the hurricane later today in the Rose Garden. Before then, he's meeting with a White House task force on recovery efforts.

Bush is expected to visit the region by week's end. The White House is working to make sure the visit won't disrupt the relief efforts.

Dan, without Bush, your life would be meaningless.

http://cagle.msnbc.com/working/050830/wasserman.gif

Dan, the president is about to speak!! You can start jerking off now.

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Dan, the president is about to speak!! You can start jerking off now.

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:rolleyes

Yeah, yeah, all the criticism is just a liberal conspiracy to make W look bad in the face of this human tragedy.

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Did New Orleans Catastrophe Have to Happen? 'Times-Picayune' Had Repeatedly Raised Federal Spending Issues
August 30, 2005

PHILADELPHIA - Even though Hurricane Katrina has moved well north of the city, the waters may still keep rising in New Orleans late on Tuesday. That's because Lake Pontchartrain continues to pour through a two-block-long break in the main levee, near the city's 17th Street Canal. With much of the Crescent City some 10 feet below sea level, the rising tide may not stop until it's level with the massive lake.

New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.

Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.

Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.

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Editor and Publisher

But of course, none of this matters because its crying over spilt milk. So what if valuable money that could have lessened the severity of this tragedy is going to Iraq, it's all water under the bridge now.

Ah yes, it's Bush's fault.

Since Katrina is drawing attention away from the situation in Iraq, Bush is responsible for the 'cane too.

quit being so sarcastic dude

get your own sitcom

One of the television anchors just summarized the big picture W and the other leaders in Washington. Here are some of his comments, and some of my own.

In the next few hours thousands more are going to die due to rising flood waters from the breached levees, and due to being trapped in attics without food, water and in some cases air.

Over 1 million people are now refugees --homeless, without jobs, without means to provide for their subsistence, and likely to be wandering the South for months.

Huge numbers of uninsured people seeking medical care for the inevitable health crisis that is coming. Hundreds of thousands will lose their medical health insurance because they lost their jobs. Disease will follow those exposed to the toxic and contaminated floodwaters.

Tens of thousands of displaced children will need to enroll in new school districts.

These people have lost everything except their debt which will follow them wherever they go. They have houses to pay for which no longer exist. Flood damage is likely not covered by most homeowners policies, which means no homeowners insurance proceeds to pay off the mortgage debt still owing. Same with car loans. Not to mention credit card debt. Bankruptcy is likely the only choice for the great majority who have nothing.

Access to bank accounts will be delayed. Mail will pile up somewhere outside the city, and take months to deliver.

The mental health of a million people who will examine what could have been done and what was done, what was communicated by their government officials and what was not disclosed.

Huge numbers of deaths, and the burying of bodies without identification since there is no way to preserve them and stop the spread of disease. If you lost everything, how can you pay the funeral and burial costs -- especially when they cannot be buried in the NO area because of standing water?

AND IT ALL WILL AFFECT EVERY CITIZEN IN THIS COUNTRY.

There will be gasoline shortages. Commerce travelling up and down the Mississipi River will be affected.

Cities and local governments will have to accomodate these homeless at a time they are already stretched to the limit.

Interest rates will go up on everything as a result of loss of collateral assets and defaults on payment of outstanding loans.

The $26 billion quoted as insurance costs is substantially less than the real costs from loss of homes and infrastructure which were uninsured. Add in deductibles and copays of 25% or more where there is insurance coverage.

None of this even takes into account the cost of rebuilding NO and restoring essential services of electricity, gas, water, sewer, and levees.

THERE IS A REAL QUESTION WHETHER NEW ORLEANS WILL BE REBUILT.

NO, it is a regional disaster covering hundreds of miles of LA, MISS, ALA and FLA before that -- all competing for available government aid, which is already limited and the hurrican season has just began.

That is the extent that this will affect EVERYONE and why we are all looking for proactive leadership from our President and his staff.

Chill the fuck out man... lay the politics aside for a few minutes.. your choking on your own hate. They wanted to use the choppers to rescue people first...

They had the army core looking at it. Listen fast and hard water is a beast.. it will rip your shit up... it's not like plugging a hole it's a big project.

I really fucking hate those of you that are such idiots that you force people like FWD to defend Bush.

I heard some guy on the radio say today that "whom ever rebuilds the south will win in '08."

Any truth to that you think?

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I heard some guy on the radio say today that "whom ever rebuilds the south will win in '08."

Any truth to that you think?

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I don't understand why, two days after this tragic occurrence, people are already thinking in those terms.

Rebuilding the South isn't about Democrats or Republicans or Progressives or Conservatives or Libertarians or Communists. It's about Americans coming together in a time of crisis to help those who are in grave need. We all win if the South is rebuilt; red states and blue states alike. I doubt that many in Louisiana, Mississippi, or Alabama are terribly concerned with the outcome of an election that is still 3 years away.

This isn't about the President and it isn't about domestic policy. This is about the worst hurricane disaster in the history of the United States -- no change in federal policy would have limited the damage that Katrina did.

It's not a political issue, no matter how many people try to spin it that way. Those who try to make this about politics have completely lost perspective on what's really important to the people in this country.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

I really fucking hate those of you that are such idiots that you force people like FWD to defend Bush.

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:lol

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

how W cut ]Clinton's Emergency Mitigation Program that would have taken measures to minimize damage from this type of natural disaster in the New Orleans area.

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Leave it to the forum's resident leftist nutjob to quote an article from the highly intelligent discussions at DU.

Sad...so sad...tinfoil hat getting loose, Dan?

"Need some wood"?

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how W cut ]Clinton's Emergency Mitigation Program that would have taken measures to minimize damage from this type of natural disaster in the New Orleans area.

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Dude, it's taken decades to build up "global warming." And Bush is somehow supposed to snap his fingers and fix it all in two terms? That's some good crack you're smoking.

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Originally Posted by Useruser666

There is no doubt in my mind that you have proven racial profiling has been committed here! :spin :blah :shootme :rolleyes

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so it hasn't been proven that you're a smug anglo-saxan who is blind to obvious racism

this thread started by NBADan posting some very obvious 'blips' in the media


just because he puts his own opinion on it, and mookie talks shit to the first blatantly conservative post doesn't mean that the entire 'lefty left liberal' world is trying to focus on side shit like this, and im pretty sure dan and mookie didn't want to start that either

sometimes i feel like im the only sane person in the world. Does that make me crazy?
Why is it i see the same pattern every fucking god damn time..on radio, tv, internet, anything

a "liberal" mentions something, thinks it may be of importance (yes nbadan put in his own opinion with the bush picture/captions, yes mookie may have talked shit about Bush).......but why is it the "conservatives" focus on this instead of the original topic mentioned

why keep focusing on why 'lefty left liberals' are wrong instead of addressing the fucking issue...you make side bull shit issues over stuff that was bull shit to begin with

LETS MAKE IT FUCKING SIMPLE

Yes or No, what NBADan originally posted about is obvious racism


i dont want to hear about how left is wrong or how we should be focusing on the tragedy that happened (no fucking shit)

just because this tragedy happened doesn't mean we need to turn a blind eye on racism

and just because someone points out racism doesn't mean they want to start a fucking Verbal War about it, nor does it mean they want Racism to be the central issue about Katrina

God forbid a fucking American step out of his 'equal' world and admit "yes this is bull shit, the media sucks"


Yes or No, what NBADan originally posted about is obvious racism
Yes or No, what NBADan originally posted about is obvious racism
Yes or No, what NBADan originally posted about is obvious racism
Yes or No, what NBADan originally posted about is obvious racism


a single word response would give us all more of a clue about you than the bull shit all of you are spewing the past 3 pages

i'll start


YES

when minorities stop crying about racism they will finally rise up..

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Mayor blasts failure to patch levee breaches
Wednesday, August 31, 2005; Posted: 7:21 a.m. EDT (11:21 GMT)

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According to the mayor, Black Hawk helicopters were scheduled to pick up and drop massive 3,000-pound sandbags in the 17th Street Canal breach, but were diverted on rescue missions. Nagin said neglecting to fix the problem has set the city behind by at least a month.

"I had laid out like an eight-week to ten-week timeline where we could get the city back in semblance of order. It's probably been pushed back another four weeks as a result of this," Nagin said.

"That four weeks is going to stop all commerce in the city of New Orleans. It also impacts the nation, because no domestic oil production will happen in southeast Louisiana."

Nagin said he expects relief efforts in the city to improve as New Orleans, the National Guard and FEMA combine their command centers for better communication, followup and accountability.

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FEMA is a real mess, both from cut funds and from the fallout from a Bolton clone, Albaugh, being sent in by the Bush Administration. He was so insanely abusive and disruptive, many of the career FEMA management personnel left. The disastrously mismanaged mission in New Orleans has cost lives and according to Mayor Nagin, set back by a month the schedule for reopening New Orleans. Here's a post on the Bolton Clone dispatched to FEMA:

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This man has a truly violent temper and short trigger to go with it. At one of his first meetings with career FEMA high level staff, one woman who was called on to make a report started out by introducing herself to Albaugh with her name and title. He went ballistic, screaming and raging - DID SHE THINK HE DIDN'T KNOW WHO SHE WAS?!?!?!? HOW DARE SHE PRESUME SUCH A THING??? . . .yada, yada, yada along the same line for minutes to the dead silence of everyone else in the room who had never seen such a display of temper. In other words, someone following standard business etiquette was screamed at and berated in front of her peers.

This was typical behavior for Albaugh, and one result was that many, many of the top level FEMA people left for other jobs or took early retirement because Albaugh wouldn't allow them to do the jobs they were trained to do. This was a tremendous loss of institutional knowledge for the relatively small federal agency. Albaugh hated being at FEMA and left after about a year. Although he had zip experience with disaster relief or any kind of government/public service before his explosive period with FEMA, when he left there he started a very high priced consulting firm on counter-terrorism.

Bush initially put Albaugh in place to gut FEMA - I mean why should all that federal money go to people in trouble and need through some natural disaster. Bush's attitude was that if you weren't wealthy enough to private pay someone to help you handle a disaster, you deserved whatever befell you. Anyway, when 9/11 occurred, he couldn't outwardly gut FEMA, but he pretty much emasculated it by putting it under DHS.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

CNN

FEMA is a real mess, both from cut funds and from the fallout from a Bolton clone, Albaugh, being sent in by the Bush Administration. He was so insanely abusive and disruptive, many of the career FEMA management personnel left. The disastrously mismanaged mission in New Orleans has cost lives and according to Mayor Nagin, set back by a month the schedule for reopening New Orleans. Here's a post on the Bolton Clone dispatched to FEMA:

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Keep focusing on yesterday's problems. Whatever you do, don't tax yourself with anything that is REALLY significant at this point.

If there's a chance to keep throwing bombs, don't miss it.

Bashing the President and the Administration is FAR more important than dealing with the problems of Ryan Samuels, the man I just saw sobbing openly on CNN, extolling people to help him find his extended familiy. Pillorying the President for some minor political gain (if any) is more useful right now than offering whatever help you can (monetary or physical) to deal with the true human problems that exist.

For crissakes, we're in monsterous trouble if politics is more concerned with incremental, rhetorical gains earned by finger-pointing and criticism than with trying to actually solve the problems that exist in a time of crisis.

FWDT...Welcome to the reality of the modern Democratic Party. I give it 6 months till you are separating it from yourself totally...if you don't buy into the rampant whacko politicizing you'll soon be getting the neocon label.

How long will it be until the newest Democratic poster child (Hillary won't do it again, she's trying to appear "moderate") holds up a newspaper in Congress with the Headline "Bush Knew" (about the hurricane, yet did nothing to stop it).

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Originally Posted by whottt

FWDT...Welcome to the reality of the modern Democratic Party. I give it 6 months till you are separating it from yourself totally...if you don't buy into the rampant whacko politicizing you'll soon be getting the neocon label.

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See, whottt -- even you can't resist it. This isn't about whose right and whose wrong; it's not about whose side I'm on or whose side anyone else is on. It's about recognizing what's going on and responding to that. It's about keeping things in perspective. Applying any kind of political overlay to this situation, in my opinion, is demonstrative of an utter lack of meaningful perspective.

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

Applying any kind of political overlay to this situation, in my opinion, is demonstrative of an utter lack of meaningful perspective.

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Agree 100%...and as soon as the Democrats stop doing that, the better.

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Originally Posted by whottt

Agree 100%...and as soon as the Democrats stop doing that, the better.

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Partisan bashing, however, is terribly helpful right now. :rolleyes

Look, I'm adamant about this because I've seen evidence of both sides politicizing this tragedy, and I find it shameful, regardless of its source.

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God forbid a fucking American step out of his 'equal' world and admit "yes this is bull shit, the media sucks"

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Yeah, but when we were saying the media sucks for their skewed reporting on Iraq, we were just "defending Bush."

Look, it's the media playbook - blood and misery sells. Period.

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"I had laid out like an eight-week to ten-week timeline where we could get the city back in semblance of order. It's probably been pushed back another four weeks as a result of this," Nagin said.

"That four weeks is going to stop all commerce in the city of New Orleans. It also impacts the nation, because no domestic oil production will happen in southeast Louisiana."

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Give me a break. If Nagel really thought he was going to have his city's economy back up in 8 weeks he was either smoking something or getting some really bad advice.

No one wants to come to a war zone, which is essentially what NO is. Even before the fatal 17th Street canal breach, 40% of their city was underwater, I-10 is out in several places, etc.

He's impressed me for a leader for the most part, but I think he was either misquoted or lashed out due to lack of sleep.

But if he really meant what he said, I think you've got to say it's apparent he doesn't have appropriate perspective for what's happened to his city.

It seems that keeping New Orleans unsafe has been a continuing policy. There is a lot of blame to go around.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...uisiana_on_aid

AN ERODING BARRIER
US earlier rebuffed Louisiana on aid
Plan to help fund coastline project was cut from bill

By Susan Milligan, Globe Staff | September 1, 2005

WASHINGTON -- As recently as this summer, Louisiana pleaded for federal help to protect the state's rapidly eroding coastline -- a key natural defense against floods and major storms like Hurricane Katrina -- but the state was rebuffed by an administration and a Congress bent on budget-cutting and reluctant to pay for expensive preventative measures, according to congressional staff and budget-watchers.

Cajun State lawmakers, worried that a single powerful hurricane would do even more damage to its coast, wanted a provision in the massive federal energy bill that would give Louisiana a share of profits from offshore oil drilling. The plan would pour an estimated $1 billion a year into the state's coffers, money it would use to build up its natural barriers against flood waters from a hurricane -- a project lawmakers estimate would cost up to $14 billion over 10 years.

But the idea was slashed from the energy bill, which had been criticized for being packed with local pork projects like a $1.1 billion nuclear reactor for Idaho and a multimillion-dollar coal plant for Alaska. Previous attempts to get federal funds for the Louisiana coastal project had been rejected over the course of decades.

Now, lawmakers and disaster planning specialists say, Congress will pay dearly to rebuild the region after Katrina, an effort that could cost at least $25 billion.

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you guys are all busters and hoes

You can go back to the 19th century if you want to start the blame game.

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Keep focusing on yesterday's problems. Whatever you do, don't tax yourself with anything that is REALLY significant at this point.

If there's a chance to keep throwing bombs, don't miss it.

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Yeah, no water, no power, no food, no sanitation for three days. Three days!!

That's what's really important, right?

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

Yeah, no water, no power, no food, no sanitation for three days. Three days!!

That's what's really important, right?

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Those are big problems. I've advocated that we focus on those issues, not on pointing fingers at President Bush for not maintaining funding for some prophylactic project in the near past. What's done is done. Solve the immediate problems and THEN politicos can start worrying about whose to blame.

Go to a shelter, any shelter, and ask if the refugees there care about any of the political ramifications of Katrina. Concerns about blaming federal, state, or local officials right now evidence an utter lack of perspective.

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Go to a shelter, any shelter, and ask if the refugees there care about any of the political ramifications of Katrina.

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Sadly, while they may not care at this point, I would bet that it would not be difficult at all to exploit their suffering for partisan political purposes.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

Sadly, while they may not care at this point, I would bet that it would not be difficult at all to exploit their suffering for partisan political purposes.

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And that, spurm is precisely my point: those who seek to gain political advantage out of such misfortune have forsaken their humanity for marginal amounts of political power. If you're willing to exploit that kind of suffering for your own political (or social) benefit, you lack any real compassion.

how long do you think before Bush hugs a crying victim and a photos snapped?

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And that, spurm is precisely my point: those who seek to gain political advantage out of such misfortune have forsaken their humanity for marginal amounts of political power. If you're willing to exploit that kind of suffering for your own political (or social) benefit, you lack any real compassion.

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Alright FWD we get your point. It's a very difficult time for anyone who is paying attention. There is a very poignant thread in the Club and even a thread in this forum which has seem little action called Hurricane Katrina which are meant for the purpose of talking about the human tragedy this is going on in NO.

This thread is called the 'Politics of Katrina' for a reason. This is a Political Forum.

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Alright FWD we get your point. It's a very difficult time for anyone who is paying attention. There is a very poignant thread in the Club and even a thread in this forum which has seem little action called Hurricane Katrina which are meant for the purpose of talking about the human tragedy this is going on in NO.

This thread is called the 'Politics of Katrina' for a reason. This is a Political Forum.

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And my point, DAN, is that there shouldn't be any "Politics of Katrina." Hence my repeated posts to that effect.

Are you this forum's Hall Monitor or something. I'm on point here, even if you dislike what I'm saying.

Point missed.......

sorry but politics are going to have a lot to do with this bullshit
whether you like it or not

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sorry but politics are going to have a lot to do with this bullshit
whether you like it or not

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Well, rather than sit back and take what you deem inevitable, I'm at least going to speak my mind about people turning tragedy into some political event.

...like politicians

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Well, rather than sit back and take what you deem inevitable, I'm at least going to speak my mind about people turning tragedy into some political event.

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Look at the tragedy that is going on in NO. Some parts of the disaster area haven't been touched in 3 days. These people aren't being prompted on what to say. Where is the heavy military presence? Where are the air-drops of drinking waters? Food? Medicine?

The only people who don't want to politicize this issue are conservatives because then we have to focus on how bad FEMA and HLS are bungling up the recovery and rescue efforts.

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Look at the tragedy that is going on in NO. Some parts of the disaster area haven't been touched in 3 days. These people aren't being prompted on what to say. Where is the heavy military presence? Where are the air-drops of drinking waters? Food? Medicine?

The only people who don't want to politicize this issue are conservatives because then we have to focus on how bad FEMA and HLS are bungling up the recovery and rescue efforts.

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Apparently FWD doesn't want to politicize it. Does that make him a "conservative"?

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Apparently FWD doesn't want to politicize it. Does that make him a "conservative"?

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FWD is doing what he thinks is right. Nothing wrong with that, but when you have Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity saying that this tragedy is being politicized by the left - that's like the pot calling the kettle black.

What is being politicized is the lack of approprite response by our government in this national tragedy. Think of it what you will, but look at what FEMA and HSC reps are saying and ask yourself if it jives with what you are seeing on the ground.

Point missed.........

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FWD is doing what he thinks is right. Nothing wrong with that, but when you have Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity saying that this tragedy is being politicized by the left - that's like the pot calling the kettle black.

What is being politicized is the lack of approprite response by our government in this national tragedy. Think of it what you will, but look at what FEMA and HSC reps are saying and ask yourself if it jives with what you are seeing on the ground.

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Talk all the shit about NBADAn and his 'propoganda' but this is a solid post.

I listened to Rush 2 days ago, for 1 hour, and the only thing he kept saying, the only fucking thing he kept going on about was
"How the people on the LEFT are so wrong for politicizing the disaster, those people on the LEFT are so wrong, how can they be so selfish to turn a disaster into political gain, listen viewers, these people on the LEFT are heartless"

pot calling the kettle black indeed, its fucking ludacris

How is

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"How the people on the LEFT are so wrong for politicizing the disaster, those people on the LEFT are so wrong, how can they be so selfish to turn a disaster into political gain, listen viewers, these people on the LEFT are heartless"

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any different from

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Plenty of pots and kettles to go around.

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pot calling the kettle black indeed, its fucking ludacris

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