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See, whottt -- even you can't resist it. This isn't about whose right and whose wrong; it's not about whose side I'm on or whose side anyone else is on. It's about recognizing what's going on and responding to that. It's about keeping things in perspective. Applying any kind of political overlay to this situation, in my opinion, is demonstrative of an utter lack of meaningful perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Agree 100%...and as soon as the Democrats stop doing that, the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
Partisan bashing, however, is terribly helpful right now. :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Look, I'm adamant about this because I've seen evidence of both sides politicizing this tragedy, and I find it shameful, regardless of its source.
Yeah, but when we were saying the media sucks for their skewed reporting on Iraq, we were just "defending Bush."Quote:
God forbid a fucking American step out of his 'equal' world and admit "yes this is bull shit, the media sucks"
Look, it's the media playbook - blood and misery sells. Period.
Give me a break. If Nagel really thought he was going to have his city's economy back up in 8 weeks he was either smoking something or getting some really bad advice.Quote:
"I had laid out like an eight-week to ten-week timeline where we could get the city back in semblance of order. It's probably been pushed back another four weeks as a result of this," Nagin said.
"That four weeks is going to stop all commerce in the city of New Orleans. It also impacts the nation, because no domestic oil production will happen in southeast Louisiana."
No one wants to come to a war zone, which is essentially what NO is. Even before the fatal 17th Street canal breach, 40% of their city was underwater, I-10 is out in several places, etc.
He's impressed me for a leader for the most part, but I think he was either misquoted or lashed out due to lack of sleep.
But if he really meant what he said, I think you've got to say it's apparent he doesn't have appropriate perspective for what's happened to his city.
It seems that keeping New Orleans unsafe has been a continuing policy. There is a lot of blame to go around.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...uisiana_on_aid
AN ERODING BARRIER
US earlier rebuffed Louisiana on aid
Plan to help fund coastline project was cut from bill
By Susan Milligan, Globe Staff | September 1, 2005
WASHINGTON -- As recently as this summer, Louisiana pleaded for federal help to protect the state's rapidly eroding coastline -- a key natural defense against floods and major storms like Hurricane Katrina -- but the state was rebuffed by an administration and a Congress bent on budget-cutting and reluctant to pay for expensive preventative measures, according to congressional staff and budget-watchers.
Cajun State lawmakers, worried that a single powerful hurricane would do even more damage to its coast, wanted a provision in the massive federal energy bill that would give Louisiana a share of profits from offshore oil drilling. The plan would pour an estimated $1 billion a year into the state's coffers, money it would use to build up its natural barriers against flood waters from a hurricane -- a project lawmakers estimate would cost up to $14 billion over 10 years.
But the idea was slashed from the energy bill, which had been criticized for being packed with local pork projects like a $1.1 billion nuclear reactor for Idaho and a multimillion-dollar coal plant for Alaska. Previous attempts to get federal funds for the Louisiana coastal project had been rejected over the course of decades.
Now, lawmakers and disaster planning specialists say, Congress will pay dearly to rebuild the region after Katrina, an effort that could cost at least $25 billion.
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you guys are all busters and hoes
You can go back to the 19th century if you want to start the blame game.
Yeah, no water, no power, no food, no sanitation for three days. Three days!!Quote:
Keep focusing on yesterday's problems. Whatever you do, don't tax yourself with anything that is REALLY significant at this point.
If there's a chance to keep throwing bombs, don't miss it.
That's what's really important, right?
Those are big problems. I've advocated that we focus on those issues, not on pointing fingers at President Bush for not maintaining funding for some prophylactic project in the near past. What's done is done. Solve the immediate problems and THEN politicos can start worrying about whose to blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
Go to a shelter, any shelter, and ask if the refugees there care about any of the political ramifications of Katrina. Concerns about blaming federal, state, or local officials right now evidence an utter lack of perspective.
Sadly, while they may not care at this point, I would bet that it would not be difficult at all to exploit their suffering for partisan political purposes.Quote:
Go to a shelter, any shelter, and ask if the refugees there care about any of the political ramifications of Katrina.
And that, spurm is precisely my point: those who seek to gain political advantage out of such misfortune have forsaken their humanity for marginal amounts of political power. If you're willing to exploit that kind of suffering for your own political (or social) benefit, you lack any real compassion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
how long do you think before Bush hugs a crying victim and a photos snapped?
Alright FWD we get your point. It's a very difficult time for anyone who is paying attention. There is a very poignant thread in the Club and even a thread in this forum which has seem little action called Hurricane Katrina which are meant for the purpose of talking about the human tragedy this is going on in NO.Quote:
Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
This thread is called the 'Politics of Katrina' for a reason. This is a Political Forum.
And my point, DAN, is that there shouldn't be any "Politics of Katrina." Hence my repeated posts to that effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
Are you this forum's Hall Monitor or something. I'm on point here, even if you dislike what I'm saying.
Point missed.......
sorry but politics are going to have a lot to do with this bullshit
whether you like it or not
Well, rather than sit back and take what you deem inevitable, I'm at least going to speak my mind about people turning tragedy into some political event.Quote:
Originally Posted by mookie2001
...like politicians
Look at the tragedy that is going on in NO. Some parts of the disaster area haven't been touched in 3 days. These people aren't being prompted on what to say. Where is the heavy military presence? Where are the air-drops of drinking waters? Food? Medicine?Quote:
Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
The only people who don't want to politicize this issue are conservatives because then we have to focus on how bad FEMA and HLS are bungling up the recovery and rescue efforts.
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Originally Posted by Nbadan
Apparently FWD doesn't want to politicize it. Does that make him a "conservative"?
FWD is doing what he thinks is right. Nothing wrong with that, but when you have Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity saying that this tragedy is being politicized by the left - that's like the pot calling the kettle black.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
What is being politicized is the lack of approprite response by our government in this national tragedy. Think of it what you will, but look at what FEMA and HSC reps are saying and ask yourself if it jives with what you are seeing on the ground.
Point missed.........
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Originally Posted by Nbadan
Talk all the shit about NBADAn and his 'propoganda' but this is a solid post.
I listened to Rush 2 days ago, for 1 hour, and the only thing he kept saying, the only fucking thing he kept going on about was
"How the people on the LEFT are so wrong for politicizing the disaster, those people on the LEFT are so wrong, how can they be so selfish to turn a disaster into political gain, listen viewers, these people on the LEFT are heartless"
pot calling the kettle black indeed, its fucking ludacris
How is
any different fromQuote:
Originally Posted by Rush
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Originally Posted by NBADan
Plenty of pots and kettles to go around.
http://images.usatoday.com/life/_pho...cris-music.jpgQuote:
pot calling the kettle black indeed, its fucking ludacris