I know both sucks, but their on the team an one will get PT. Which would you prefer? Ayers if he can actually catch a pass. Cuz Baynes, although I love him. He seems lost most times.
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I know both sucks, but their on the team an one will get PT. Which would you prefer? Ayers if he can actually catch a pass. Cuz Baynes, although I love him. He seems lost most times.
neck spasms
Who cares!? The team sucks right now!
Ayres coming out game
he's playing greatQuote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
Something about the Assuies taking a players spot maybe. Look at Cojo! After Patty took his spot, he's playing like a maniac. Maybe that can inspire Ayers too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemotivo
Baynes is miles ahead
It's amazing that people say Ayres is the worst player on the roster. Until Recently, he's hardly played, and his PER was about 8 or 9. With his recent minutes burst, it's up to 14. Daye has STILL played more minutes, and his PER is 4.3. I didn't mistype that. It's 4.3. I'm honestly hoping that if someone like Jamaal Franklin finishes his time in China and is available, the Spurs cut Daye and pick him up. Daye is just horrible.
Like being better than Daye is an accomplishment :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Idiot fans just believe what some idiot posters say here. For example, the biggest myth is that Ayres is the worst player in the league
:lol dumbassess. Ayres is not that bad. He's pretty usable. sure he has butter hands, sure he looks like security at a local pub, still he's got some game and attitude in him. he's not that bad
There are 254 players in the NBA with a PER < 14.0, currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by 100%duncan
And those players aren't going to be in the NBA soon. Wow, 14 PER for Ayres!!! Let's celebrate this cute little stat.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
How many players do you think there are in the NBA?Quote:
Originally Posted by 100%duncan
a millionQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
That is incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by 100%duncan
Daye has definitely not been good. But, since he really doesn't play the same position as Ayres, the criticism misses the point. The revitalized argument is: Is Baynes better than Ayres? Previous to this Daye tangent, I actually enjoyed Ex's defense of Ayres as I always felt the hate for him was over-done and superficial due to his weaknesses being easily seen. You don't have to pay very close attention to see that fumbling a ball out of bounds is detrimental to the team, ergo, Ayres is bad for the team. That is the snap-judgement by too many. Exstatic did a good job of pointing out once that he is a much better player than his maligned value would suggest. Project Spurs had a pretty decent article that compared the two (and other bigs on the team, as well), and Ayers compared favorably in the measurements provided in that article, which corroborated Exstatic, and my original gut opinion that the maligning of Ayers was way over-done, and the lionization of Baynes was, as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by 100%duncan
Baynes is decent, but not great. Glad to have him back. Definitely not as good as some of ST thinks he is, and not worth naming your account name after him, which I think someone has done. He's a meh player that has a hard time getting out of the realms of "Is he better than Ayers." Even if we conclude that he is, it should tell us something about Baynes that this discussion is even ever considered.
Ayers has decent abilities given his pay and expected role and minutes. Nowhere near as bad as ST makes him out to be.
Daye is the worst player on the team. He has had just about the worst start to his first full season with The Spurs that he could have hoped for. But, even he isn't as bad as ST critics would have us believe. His defense and other attributes have been better than most projected. This is not to say that they are good. But, they may be at an acceptable level for his role on the team if he could do the one real thing he was supposed to do, which is shoot the ball, which he started off the year doing VERY poorly, and has only been able to work himself up to POORLY since.
He began shooting below 25% from three for quite a while this season, but has quietly brought that percentage up to 32%. Still 3 percentage points below his career average, and about 8-10% less than where I think he could be (based upon some of his time in the NBA and college), where he needs to be and where Bonner has been for his whole career, around 41-42%.
If they still keep him next year, it will be a testament to their long-term vision, eyes for talent in unusual places, fiscally conservative mind-set, and work ethic. I surely don't expect them to keep him on any longer, given his poor performance thus far. Had the season worked out differently, with lots of blow-outs, he may have gotten more PT, but he's gotten some time, and has dug himself a hole.
With all of the close games, thus far, this season, you just can't put him out there.
Ayers is a beast on 2k15, I know that much. Lol
This season, to date, 455 players.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Baynes sets better screens. Other than that, about even.
How so? Can you elaborate? Is there any explanation?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Yes, there is an explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by 100%duncan
The word literally is being used incorrectly in that sentence.
People on this board overrate Baynes and underrate Ayers. They both posses a set of differing serviceable skills but none is greater than the other; and yes, Daye has not been very good.
Baynes by far, Ayres rarely plays well, he contributes almost nothing. He gets scored on at will, can't rebound, all he does on offense is stand around and wait for his teammates to create for him. Even then it's then it's not guaranteed he finishes the easy dunk or layup. If you can't see how bad he is, wow.
Damn how can you compare Errors to Baynes it's like night and day. And Daye is not even in the same fucking universe as these two he just plain out sucks.
You act like Baynes can create anything for himself other than a bowel movement. He can't. He also is a worse finsher inside 3 feet than Ayres. Step out of the group think.Quote:
Originally Posted by KL2
Daye>both of those two clowns
Shit take :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by KL2
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Originally Posted by exstatic
Baynes will never be a star lol, neither guy will but Baynes>Ayres. I already told you why Ayres' FG% is so high, it's a product of his teammates, he stands around, then goes up for a powerful dunk, fans are fooled lmao. Baynes takes jumpers, which if he adds could be extremely valuable, he was knocking them down recently. He shoots 83% from the FT line, his shot doesn't look that bad, and he's knocked some of them down recently. Ayres is the 70th worst defensive PF in the NBA, Baynes the 56th, and that's with Howard's monster game on him, a game in which his weaknesses were magnified.
Baynes also sets extremely hard screens picking off defenders, leaving things for guys like TP and Manu 1v1 at the rim with a mismatch. Of course when this happens you retards are all "MVParker doe", and don't give any credit to Baynes lmao. It also drains the opponents of energy, his screens hurt, his teammates have said it themselves, Pop doesn't let TD practice against him either. He's helped the Spurs in the playoffs against guys like Howard (he got so mad he got kicked out), and Adams, you need enforcers like Baynes to combat those dirty players.
Ayres has had numerous chances and has continued to fail, every time this guy steps on the court the other team goes on a run. He got consistent playing time the first half of last year playing in 73 games no matter how bad he played, don't forget that. Game after game he scrubbed it up, not contributing anything. He's been in the NBA for 4 years amongst elite competition and coaching crafting his game getting actual playing time, still all he can do is dunk.
Baynes barely played 16 games his rookie season. Last year he played in 53, primarily during garbage time, every once and a while they'd throw him out there, 2-5 mins, sometimes he'd be able to actually help. Practice can only do so much, ask any player, you need game experience to improve, which he's done as the season has progressed. Now he's being relegated to the bench again, and people will wonder why his stats will be down should he come back lol. He's on such a short leash it's ridiculous.