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Put a fork in him! He'll be a decent player when his midrange shot is falling but you can kiss the guy that lived in the paint goodbye. He ain't coming back.
I hope the Spurs explore trades since most of the NBA still has no idea how much hes declined. RC could probably net a pretty good player in return+Cojo &MVPatty look more than capable of handling PG duties.
Thoughts?
Well he cant rebound even when healthy.
He looks good for his 2nd game back. :tu
He;s done tbh.
his defense needs to get a bit better he does annoying shit now that he has never done in the past. Declining, or rusty? Still the only player on the team that can over a game anywhere on the floor when he gets going.
Marco tony defense. Stop Pop.
Even Timmy is looking over at Pop giving him the wtf is Enrique doing look...
Good thing this is the last year of his contract:rolleyes
:lol $60 million dollars
:lol Spurs front office
:cry buh buh his offense gets the whole team going
:cry leading scorer
:cry team leader
Bro I hope he's not done, unless we can steal Enrique's DeLorean, go back in time to prevent that terrible contract. He's gonna blow this game like its the postseason. :bang
He can still fuck teammates' wives!
Na
He and the team are done. Amazing run. Done.
Ive heard of a rusty shot after a month vacation, but looking slow and old? The vacation should've had the opposite effect on his body. The issue is starting to look more and more like father time imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by HI-FI
yet not a peep about kawhi missing half the season from jacking off too much.
Spurs gave him the Kobe treatment with that contract. Difference being they may have fucked us out of being contenders.
He and Jose Calderon are playing about the same right now. Except Jose has a deal that runs two years less and for half as much per.
Remember this:
"Tony Parker believes he can play as many as 20 years with the San Antonio Spurs"
Looks done at age 32.
Cory looks like a stud though. Hell, I wonder how much he'll pay Manu to stave off retirement a couple more years so he has someone on the court that makes him look good.
Good comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan89
-Both grew up idolizing MJ.
-Both are chuckers
-Both are mediocre playmakers
-Both are among the worst defenders in the league
-Both are horrible teammates
-Both are grossly overpaid and living on past reputation
This comment is so beyond ignorant, it befuddles the mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan89
What are you talking about? Cory is horrible alongside Manu. Hes been at his best with the starters. Maybe Pop should consider moving Enrique and his 60 % 3PT FG% into the second unit to play off Manu tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by unleashbaynes
Sums it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
:madrun how dare tony miss time with an injury :madrun
:madrun how dare tony not play well immediately :madrun
:cry get well soon kawhi :cry
Yes, because he's useless without the ball in his hands. His teammates become useless when Cory does has the ball in his hands. Cory has no clue on how to run an offense. Without Manu on the court, the only one involved in the offense is Cory. No wonder Manu has to close games out as the pg.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Because he didn't cheat on a latina slut, tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by unleashbaynes
Our $60 million point guard doesn't seem to know how to run an offense either - 5 TOs tonight for Enrique.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
Cut him!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
We're gonna need a healthy Tony to make any sort of run. Sure, his impact is overrated (Tony's plus/minus is down there with Kirby's), but his presence makes Cojo and Mills that much better, since we can swarm opposing teams with either a defensive pg (CoJo), a shooting pg (Mills), or a scoring pg (Parker). Teams also still gameplan for Parker, which is a big plus that takes defensive attention away from Mills/Cojo.
Kawhi also needs to tape it up and get out there. Sorry, I don't buy Pop's line of bullshit that he's two weeks away and can't extend his fingers.
There was a point when Enrique couldn't shoot or run a team very well either. Cory is what, 21 or 22? He has nowhere to go but up...the opposite is true for 32 yr old Enrique unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
He's been done before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
This. I'm rooting for the guy even if watching him right now is like having a root canal, tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
As a former boxer I've had many hand injuries, lots of bruised hands, ligament damage etc. your hand just doesn't work properly, it feels really weak like you have no strength, especially those sharp shooting pains when trying to grab things. Sometimes the pain makes it go numb too. They should hold him out as long as it takes, those injuries are no joke.
I feel you.Quote:
Originally Posted by KL2
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Originally Posted by FkLA
Nobody said Tony was a spring chicken. You don't realize what it takes to recover from a hamstring injury completely. It's a recurring injury and until Tony gets some games under his belt, while remaining healthy, the possibility of a relapse will play over and over again in his mind. He'll get better as the season progresses.
Parker hasn't looked right all season, even when he took the summer off. This is looking more and more like a steep decline...
Spurs desperately need his penetration to create shots but it's looking more and more unlikely that speed and quickness will ever return.
Problems with Hamstrings? More like ham sandwiches.
Parker looks heavy also. Doing that Boris rehab.
Dude relax. Guy needs to get the rust off.
he'll be back soon
I suppose he's gonna play a lot of minutes against the Wolves tomorrow?
the wolves suck so yesQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Tony Porker and Bobo hanging around too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
So did the Pistons so, we'll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemotivo
Oh you mean the mild hamstring strain? Quit treating it like it was a freaking tear. Soft ass Derrick Rose, the guy that sits out games bc he wants to be able to walk when he has children, missed one game with the exact same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
the pistons post Josh Smith?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
besides it was the first game after the injury for TP
We gave that Pistons game away... no other way to look at it...
I'm not going to argue with the TP hate posse anymore. It's clear to me that he is rehabbing and going 70% speed. Pop sees the same game we do. He looks at all the stats. He's not an idiot. He sees the same lackluster performances. Still TP had some nice plays tonight (with terrible ones) and some decent defense.
Everyone just needs to be patient. Pop is playing the long game because he knows he needs a healthy TP for this season and beyond, otherwise the Spurs have no great high usage ball handler. Pop is easing TP back into form. It's possible TP never gets healthy this season.
And yes he has high mileage and will likely be a step slower when healthy, but I withhold judgment on just how much decline there really is. He takes very good care of himself and is a fierce competitor. I hold out hope he'll be mostly back at some point this season.
He's just resting for tomorrow
non-issue
I love this team.
what a dipshit he saved our ass again tonight exactly what do you expect from our 3rd Pg?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
See I thought he looked porky too, but then I started thinking maybe it was just my mind associating slow and sloppy with fat.Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
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Originally Posted by FkLA
I can't believe you just compared D-Rose to TP. D-Rose tells the coach when he can play. Pop tells TP when he can play. D-Rose took nearly half a season off because he couldn't dunk the ball with his left hand.
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Originally Posted by look_at_g_shred
He is nowhere near ready to be full speed Tony.
Time and patience.
:lol yeah, but he's been out for a while... give him a lil timeQuote:
Originally Posted by objective
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
Are you sure you're not looking at Parker through a wide angle lens?Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Exactly. Yet that same pussy sat out one game with a mild hamstring strain. Meanwhile posters like you sensationalize the severity of the exact same injury for Enrique. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
Never been on the Enrique bandwagon but would be interesting to see if the Spurs try and move him in the off season. If there some concern that he is breaking down. The Pacers and Knicks come to mind in terms of needing a starting PG. Both have lottery picks as well.
Actually if you watched the pre-game they said Pop said there was no limit today. If he was playing well aka his midrange jumper was falling since he can't penetrate anymore he'd have played more, just like he did when he returned vs LAC. There is no minute restriction hes just getting benched for poor play...although tbf he hasn't been the only starter to get that treatment the last two games. He has however been the only one that has been consistently shitty all season tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perry Mason
Parkers extension is going to haunt the Spurs. Not quite 48.5 status, but it's a blow
You don't know what you're talking about. Minor hamstring injuries can turn into major ones if you rush back too soon. That's the concern with Tony thus, the minutes restriction. He's extremely tentative since coming back but, it's an encouraging sign that his hammy feels fine. Let's see how much leeway you give Kawhi when he first comes back from his cramped hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Lets see how he looks in March/April then you can scream the sky is falling. Chill..
Yet the the guy that you, me and everyone else considers a pussy missed a grand total of one game with it. Rose worries about just about everything yet had no problem brushing off the same injury you are sensationalizing for Enrique.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
Youre not being biased at all brah. :tu
Rose probably lied to get out of playing a game. Bad comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Yeah that's been my main concern, all trolling/truth bombing aside. Anything they can do to get out of it if shit hits the fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
lol okQuote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
D-Wade another guy known for being a diva with injuries missed seven games. Lets be real its a relatively minor injury. Can you name me an instance in any major sport where a mild hamstring strain held out a player for a month+affected him so drastically? I'll wait for it tbh.
lolutsaQuote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Ginobili and Splitter!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Trolling aside I think the question I posed in the OP is a legit. Hes the best PG on the team if he magically regains his form, but unless its '13 Parker hes not irreplaceable.Quote:
Originally Posted by HI-FI
Plus ideally he would net a nice piece in return. Not like he is being traded for peanuts tbh.
Meh wait till the season isover
I love parker and all and i think he gets hated on way too much here, but man.
he looks terrible right now. just awful. can't seem to penetrate a wet paper bag.
Never missed time with a 'mild hamstring strain'. Few athletes do. Even less sensationalize the way it has been for Enrique.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
Besides Tiago has grown a reputation for being soft with injuries. Manu for being fragile. So wouldn't you be agreeing with me by placing him in that company? Even moreso when you throw Wade and Rose into the equation.
We don't win a title without him.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Hope you don't mind.
No back to back unless he gets his speed back, it's that simple.
They didn't need him to be a hero to take down OKC in Methlahoma or the Heat. A game manager at PG will do if they get into that kind of offensive groove again. The offense wasn't dependent on Enrique.Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
They need Kawhi though obviously.
Parker is getting paid near a max contract lmao, and he may keep playing during the off season, causing him to decline even more. Of course a guy that's getting paid 13.5 million+ per year is going to have an impact, common sense lmao.
tp ia getting paid less them cp3 and much more points he could have gotten more
You asked for an instance. Here's one of many.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ing-and-return
Btw, Have you ever heard of a player missing nearly a month due to pink eye? Me neither.
I don't see the word mild in there. I want mild hamstring strain which is what you'll find listed for Enrique, Rose and Wade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
What does Kawhi have to do with this thread? Pretty sure he just missed like the first two games with the eye anyway. The rest has been the hand.
So you missed our toughest series did you?Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
And yes we did need him in the other series, but for a different purpose than the Dallas series.
where did you go to school?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I'm not looking at any stat sheets, but I feel like MOST of our losses have been dumb and close. That's why this whole season and the "not playing the full team until March" thing is fucking hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Kawhi is basically sitting out because Pop doesn't feel like bringing him o yent. This has been a pretty good preseason if you ask me. I'm being entertained.
As for Tony, I only saw a few minutes of the 4th....does he really look done, or cliff-jumping?
It's all in the phrasing. Don't get hung up on the words. Sometimes they'll say it's a mild hamstring injury. Other times, they'll say it's nothing serious but, merely tightness in his bothersome hammy. Would you feel better if the NBA adopted the NHL's way of describing injuries..... Tony Parker, Lower body injury. That way, you won't have a friggin clue what's going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Who gives a shit. Spurs were sleepwalking through that series. If they play like that in the WCF or Finals they get raped...unless you actually think the 8th seeded Mavs were the second best team in the league last season? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
Yeah, no. Mild describes the severity. Keep looking tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
Dallas would have raped the Heat in the finals.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
lolutsaQuote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Yeah?Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Well how about sleep walking right out of the playoffs 1st round? You think all that counts in the playoffs is the championship?
What you don't get is Parker is pure lighting dribbling the ball.
Teams have a very difficult time handling that kind of pace for trapping. We don't necessarily need him scoring. But we damn sure need his speed with the ball during close games when teams are trapping. He gets us out of so many binds by getting out into the open court. That kind of speed with the ball is crucial for a team like ours. And it's showing at the end of games this season. Parker often times runs right away from a defender trying to foul him running clock. And this is just one aspect of the role his speed plays.
Your Fckn blind.
you went to utsa? lol indeedQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Parker, Duncan, Ginobili are all old. They're really bound to slip every year. How hard is it to understand, why are people jumping off a cliff over this
I find it strange that so many Spurs fans seemingly didn't watch last year's playoffs, tbh..
The Spurs were literally better when Parker was on the bench, statistically..he ranked 7th or 8th in the rotation in virtually every advanced metric, among Spurs rotation players..
He's just a luxury, at this point..people need to stop acting like this sample size is limited to this season, this decline began last year, it was evident to anybody that closely followed the Spurs..outside of the Portland series(where the Spurs still blew them out in game 5 without him) and game 7 vs. Dallas, he looked mediocre for the entire run..you knew it was bad when Pop was condescendingly complimenting him on his "leadership", just because he accepted to sit on the bench for key stretches:lmao..
Logically speaking, he's a 32-year old PG with a ton of mileage, and has relied mostly on speed/quickness for effectiveness..he's not Duncan or Ginobili, tbh..
As a Spurs fan, I'm deathly afraid that Parker will sabotage the Spurs, like Derrick Rose is currently doing to the Bulls..ball-dominant PGs that are no longer good players can destroy your team..fortunately, Pop showed us last year that he won't hesitate to bench Parker when he's ineffective, so let's hope he sticks to that..
Why do you say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Man, I can't believe so many Spurs fans still refer to Parker's quickness and skills like it's 2012, tbh:lol..
It's the equivalent of Harlem saying, "damn, Tim Duncan sure draws a lot of attention and double teams in the post, which opens things up for the rest of the team"..
We're in 2015, some of y'all niggas need to join the rest of us, tbh..
He's a slightly above average PG that no longer impacts the game on a significant level, which is quantified by the numbers, and has been since last year's playoffs..you can keep shitting out the "penetration" narrative, but the numbers don't support your claims..
Because spurs just gave him a new contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by FireMicoHalili
Show some respect :madrunQuote:
Originally Posted by Malik Hairston
Parker was the fastest guard on our team last season. I have no reason to believe he will not be so by the end of the season and use it just as effectively.
If Parker is no longer the fastest guard on our team with the ball there will be NO back to back.
Its that obvious to me. We may need KL more, but we still don't win without fast Parker.
Simple.
My nigga, I'm a Spurs fan first, tbh, unlike these player-fans..Quote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
I put the Spurs logo before Timmy, Manu, Enrique, Kawhi, etc..unlike most of the people in this thread, I don't give a fuck about the name on the back of the jersey..
When Tim struggles, I want him to sit, I've called it out many times..same with Manu..it's not a Parker agenda, the only difference with Parker is that he has looked finished as a notable player for 1.5 years now, and the Spurs are a better team when he's on the bench..
I'm tired of these player-fans, tbh..
100 Agree, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malik Hairston
Player fans are by far the most annoying..