Brought us back vs PHX...
Cojo/Mills combined for 31pts, 12/19, 4rebs, 8ast, 4stl, 1TO tonight...
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Brought us back vs PHX...
Cojo/Mills combined for 31pts, 12/19, 4rebs, 8ast, 4stl, 1TO tonight...
low turnover game without Evita. no question about it. let me check how many TOs we had all game..... brb....
yup. I was right. 8 TOs all game from spurs tonight. 1. yes that's right ONE turnover all through the 4th quarter (matt bonner)
it's just easier
No. its just that PHX and MIN suck balls
It's an idea, tbh.... Manu/Danny starting, Cojo/Patty off the bench...
Turnovers = Fast breaks
Minnesota is basically only good at one thing, and that's fast breaks. No doubt with Emmanuel in the game, this would've been a closer game.
Duncan was only on the court for 20 minutes tonight :tu Finally some responsible ball handlers!
Who knows... Starting him would be a good experiment tbh
I haven't seen a guy tonight dribble it and shoot a brick 30 footer with 20+ seconds left in the shot clock. have you?
Why would we bench Kawhi for Manu?...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
don't need to bench anybody... Kawhi is still hurt, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
I would normally agree. But evita is running on fumes. IMO he needs the extra time on the bench while ppl are getting warmed up. He is great from the bench at a 15 minute clip. Anything more and you are asking for trouble....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Maybe now.
But not if we get everyone back into form.
Lets do last season again, shall we
It really doesn't matter, it's just to burn minutes in the regular season. You know when the playoffs come around he's going to basically play the role he always played...Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
we can't. Spurs had a bone to pick last year. This year, they don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
something needs to happen this year. IMO Pop just needs to trust the young guys more.
yeah but unfortunately playoff seedings matter. I just don't think we can go far on the 8 7 or 6 seed. Something needs to click so we can catapult to at the very least the 5 hopefully 4 seed. fighting for seeding at the end of the season would be our undoingQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
15 minutes of Manu. Even he would agree that's the best thing to do, tbh.
You also thought Steven Adams was the white Ibaka.... just saying...Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
okQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Well it truly is on Pop.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
If the veterans don't want it, he is responsible for igniting some passion.
http://youtu.be/YhWwm2-Gc9sQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Scary to think it's only his second year in the NBA. Smh
we're only 4 games away from a top 4 seed... we just need to get healthy, tbh...
regular season rotations don't really matter, tbh... when the playoffs come around, you already know this team is gonna have the same rotations as last season, just with a bit more of Cojo for Beli/Patty, depending the matchup, IMO...
I hope that scrub stays in OKC for as long as possible...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
This is exactly what I'm hoping for. Maybe a bit more Patty for me please.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
goddam! he's a beast!Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
I had missed this game. thanks
reminds me of a young Hakeem IMO
Patty has been great, considering how long he's been without playing basketball... the Spurs need to get that bench clicking like last season, and that will put us in a great spot...Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
Gino already has been statistically the 3rd best Spur this season, so adding Patty to the mix should give great results...
holy shit. Adams made splitter look like a little ragdoll :wow
Fucking savage got Timmy on a poster. Reminded me of what Keem' did to The Admiral smh.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
No..
Is Spurstalk better without you greatfaggot and hater? I think yes..
PD: TP 3 turnovers , turnover machine tbh
Spurs without any of the big 3 are fuckedPERIOD
They won't have an identity. It's not a recipe that's easily duplicated, else other teams would do it. You have three guys who rose above expectations (Ok, Tim was a beast out of college), and you're not going to fill those shoes with random role players, system or not. There are times when one of them would just take over the game. Who can do that?
That would be great if that was the case. That would mean more rest for the rest of the season for Manu while the others carry the bench. I would love to see him rest for the next several games. All these years as long as Manu was a Spur we've always lacked a bench and now we have a great one even without Manu.
So the Spurs should be doing this against the weaker teams. Have to feast on the feeble before making to the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by testies
:tuQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Yeah I agree Evita needs rest, for the good of the Spurs. We don't need him to be a 1 man run for the opponent come playoff time. Wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs went on a huge win streak atm...Quote:
Originally Posted by TMTTRIO
I've been saying Evita needs to sit out a few games. Dude is on fumes and is just a liability out there.
I'm glad Poop listened tbh
Evita? Is that Manu's new nickname?Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
Yea he's the only stupid that uses that nickname.. same with "Ferrari" = Belinelli :lol, too bad he doesn't use Enrique :cryQuote:
Originally Posted by Boomersgold
I argued this yesterday on another site and got the homer treatment. Oh, we wouldn't have rings without him yada yada yada... We don't win game 6 in okc last yr without his shot yada yada yada. I totally agree with this thread. He thinks he can do 2003, 2005 all over again but can't. Lately, he hurts us more down the stretch than helps us but pop always calls his number...
Not sure anyone should be criticizing Manu after that damn good playoff run he had last year. Anything else we get from a 37 year old should be considered a bonus. You should probably be more concerned about our $60 million dollar point guard who looks worse than Reggie Jackson at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by davi78239
Stupid post from the spudiest poster, nothing new.
No Shit. That was loyalty right there. I think they might regret that one. I apologize to baldy.
Good ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
:bangQuote:
Originally Posted by hater
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pocho La Pantera
:bobo
The same Gino that leads the Spurs in APG? That Gino...? I'm not sure if OP is watching the same team... Cherrypicking like always...
He had to bump this thread coz it was falling fast to page 2... never mind him...Quote:
Originally Posted by Phenomanul
he also leads the team in Turnovers and by double digits in 4th quarter turnovers. Not a good sign when the last 8 or so losses we've had is BECAUSE OF THE 4th QUARTER TURNOVERS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phenomanul
I think things change starting 2 games ago :tu
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Originally Posted by hater
Your boy Enrique leads us in turnovers if I can recall, he also leads us in assists, oh wait....
who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Diego20
Your boy Enrique :cry the only reason you see the Spurs..Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
I don't think we have a player by that name. unless in the toros?Quote:
Originally Posted by Diego20
How about turnover machine? you like that nickname? Because this year TP is a turnover machine tbh..Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
oh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diego20
TP = 65 Turnovers
Evita = 76 Turnovers
nice try... :rolleyes
Enrique 24 GP ---- 2,7 turnovers per gameQuote:
Originally Posted by hater
Manu 32 GP ---- 2,5 turnovers per game
That said, if Enrique played 32 games, he would have more turnovers
:lol
Nice try..
PER 36 MINS:
Evita 3.4 TOs
TP 3.3 TOs
nice try :lmao :lol
:lol it's probably the same bash script that told him the Spurs lead the league in turnovers in the 4th quarter...
Sure.
That doesn't even make any sense since TP played only 24 games.. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by hater
His "PER 36 MINS" stats would be a lot worse if he played 32 games :rollin
No.
What a fucking coincidence.
Manu's back = winning streak ends = Cojo/Mills have a quiet night
this sucks
11-1 since testicular surgery, tbh
I like how MVPatty has been playing lately, tbh... he's shaping up nicely at the right time of the season...
Also like the Miller addition, for insurance purposes...
OP might be onto something, tbh...
Granted, that's from a couple weeks ago, but still. Anyone who watches this team knows the bench is dependent on having Manu out there.
Yeah, there's no doubt the bench is much better with Gino than without, but it's good that we have some more vet help and Patty is finding his stroke....Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFan86
While Patty is providing some scoring and in general the perimeter bench players are playing good the bigs are clearly missing Manu a lot.
Before the surgery we were winning 84% of our games. After the surgery, we have won 92% of our games.
It's kind of like the OKC series. When Parker played the full games, we were 3-2 against the Thunder. When he only played half of game 6, we were 1-0. As we have learned from this forum, if you can win one game without a player (or without him for half of one game), then you don't need him ever again to win another game.
Now, it was probably helpful that Parker led us in scoring in the Finals, but as we have also learned from this forum, it's not about the guys that can score points on good FG%, it's about picking from the pool of advanced stats to prove a point. Point proven.
Water is wet
:wakeup
We need some Mexican guards tbh
1-1 since coming back? :wow Lets seeQuote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
11-1 >>> 1-1
He instantly makes our bench one of the worst in the league. Terribleble decision making, slow as fuck, just way past his prime.
Well maybe Manu's right and should only play 1 game a month.
8-2 (80.0 W%) without him this season
45-14 (76.3 W%) with him this season
Tonight:
Gasol - 22pts, 9rebs
Lee - 11pts, 7rebs, 3ast
Anderson - 3pts, 4rebs, 4ast
Simmons - 10pts, 2ast
Mills - 10pts, 7ast
so the answer is basically no... :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
It's a damn shame too, you would think the youngsters would've picked up their game by now, tbh... det fathead line, smh... did he play many mins?
22mins :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
oh boy... the Spurs will have to figure something out by next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
He had a good game frankly... they didn't lack for scoring at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
He set others up with with no Turnobili... lol
I said in another thread I didn't get to watch the game much at all, tbh, just commenting on the line posted... I'll take your word for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
The bench scored over 55 points tbh. They hardly suffered from scoring ... obvious trolling is obvious...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Obviously no.
The problem with Manu and this team is that when scoring doesn´t come easy he still is the one that will come up with a bucket to ease everyone´s pressure
Gasol should help ease in that department. Lee can also get his own shot if he needs to. The rest are more or less streaky... Mills is a scorer but he will streak to bad shooting nights, save the last two games Simmons had not been shooting well... etc. not going to mention anyone else not in the regular rotation bc it just leads to trolling that is pointless... but they have more guys that can score now than they have had in years... specially with Gasol. If Manu feels the need to heroball that's just him being Manu...Quote:
Originally Posted by kaji157
I am no talking about hero ball at all as Manu barely shots the ball now.
Just that when the pressure is up, he is still the pressure valve for the bench and sometimes the team.
Gasol, Lma, mills or Danny are not going to get that score that ends a scoring drought when the other team is just making a run.
Manu has done it many times. Including this year.
Why are people taking this thread seriously. :lol
He's shooting below 39% on 2 pt shots TBH. He is struggling at the rim.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaji157
To me the most valuable are the defensive plays he still makes. He's still a game changer when defensively he's sharp.. his gambles still pay off often enough that they change momentum. He's still good with his 3 pt shots and can bail out possessions if he needs to ... I think he needs to cut his TO a bit bc he is no longer the dominant player who can make up mistakes like that on the other end... A turnobili game is not a good idea... Manu heroballing doesn't look like typical heroballing. heroballing can be just consuming posesssions that end in a reckless pass bc he wanted to "playmake"
Anyways, TGY is obviously trolling about Manu. But he doesn't need to be heroballing/TO the ball recklessly with this bench.
That is exactly the problem imo. And maybe why he doesn't get noticed when the team is playing well. When people are hitting their shots, he seems fine with being a distributor. But when the team is sucking, he does seem to take it upon himself to make something happen. Still seems to be able to get into the paint and get shots off. But they're just not falling like they used to.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaji157
I always thought he could remake himself into the older version of Jason Kidd. Hold on to the ball, makes some good passes, hit an open three. But I don't think his mentality allows him to do that.
Not only his mentality, the team itself doesn´t create many open shots without Him, Tony and TD being the players that put pressure on the defense and sarts a play with the opposing defense scrambling to recover.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursforSix
I have been saying that the real difference between the 2013-2015 team and these days, is that back then the offense was started by the big 3 but not always finished by them, because the 3 of them were a lot better than Kawhi and LMA in recognising when they had already broken the defense and pass out, even if it was not for an assist or a hockey assist, they were very good on realising the exact moment to let the ball go to another teammate because the defense would need to recover.
Both LMA and Kawhi, can take the offense by themselves, but are not good enough to start offensive sequences that end up on a bucket after 2 or more passes. They can score, and make the assist, but that´s it.
Still...Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
Player / Assist to TO Ratio / Team SAS / USG
Tony Parker / 3.44 / 1 / 20.3
Patty Mills / 2.89 / 2 / 19.3
Kyle Anderson / 2.45 / 3 / 11.8
Pau Gasol / 1.91 / 4 / 21.4
Manu Ginobili / 1.87 / 5 / 19.7
Kawhi Leonard / 1.66 / 6 / 31.4
As you can see, Manu is still a plus, as are all the players in this list as all of them are above league average. Kyle only sneaks in because he is not a high usage player.
You also were worried about his FG%...
His FG has dipped a lot, and is a main thing for concern, but i think in order for him to be effective he needs the defense to pay attention to him when he has the ball, and that´s the main reason he is the 6th shot taker on the team, while shooting .388 for the season, which is low. He is shooting better from 3 than he is from 2, and that is something usefull, but if you look at the premier shot takers on our team, #5 is Danny Green, and he is shooting .397 overall.
All in all, if Manu in the playoffs can take his shooting percentage to 42% or better and keep THIS assist to TO ratio, we will be fine with it.
I disagree that LMA can take the offense by himself. He settles way too much for an outside jumper. He's rarely backed down as far as Timmy was. So you never have the same defensive collapse on LMA as Duncan. Even if Lemarcus caught the ball lower, he's still not worth a double team like Timmy was. But he rarely works his way that low anyway. It's too easy for an opposing team to just let him stand out and shoot a 15 foot jumper.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaji157
Also, he doesn't have the same passing skills as Duncan. If Lemarcus is within 15 feet, he's not even looking up to pass. Niggas could be cutting left and right under the basket but he's going to either hoist up a jump shot or keep backing down for a short hook.
And the league is below average.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaji157
It's all about consistency though and the timing of his good games. Same with Green. As many have said, I'd rather have consistent average numbers than a combination of some great games and some shit games. Especially for a player who gets major minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaji157
I am not really making an argument in favor of anybody... just stating the obvious. The team can score without Manu bc they have enough good players in the bench and some that are particularly offensive players and adept at creating for others or themselves. I never said he was a negative.... that was mainly the troll the TGY. Manu is still gonna Manu.. one of the reasons I think he is going to retire. He simply must have freedom to do as he pleases with the ball and he's starting to edge close to that point in time when he's not good enough to have that freedom. Certainly having great teammates helps him. If he was going to carry this burden in the 76ers as his agent threatened to, I doubt he would be still effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaji157
He's at the tail end of his career and it shows.
:lol not trolling, tbh... I'll be the first to cheer when Kyle becomes a fixture in the bench rotation due to his consistent production...Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
:toastQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I feel LA has the skill but not the confidence. Hes a better passer than is given credit for and a better low post scorer than is given credit for but is still in the process of how to implement these things within the system. Duncan never had such a problem. He had the big picture before he ever stepped out onto the court.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursforSix
Having said that....go LA!!
I don't think it's lack of confidence. I think it's lack of desire. Desire to get on the blocks and bang smaller players. Desire to work on that part of his game. I agree that he's not a terrible passer. But he'd be more effective if he were able to get down low and kick the ball out. He's usually 15 feet out and not drawing a double team. Get down low and pull in the D...then kick out to an open shooter or look for someone cutting down the lane.Quote:
Originally Posted by skulls138
No