Trade Patty mills? Or let Cojo walk?

Joseph and Mills are different players and bring separate skill sets. As you continue to overrate Joseph, remember that with him at the helm as our starting point guard, the Spurs record was in the tank. Parker has successfully kept the Spurs at or near the top every year (but one) for the last 5+ years that he has been a dominant player. When Parker is 100% healthy, he is the superior guard on the roster, at least for anyone that understands basketball. That said, I do think CoJo has improved and certainly has demonstrated that he belongs in the NBA and deserves minutes on a nightly basis.

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Originally Posted by dabom

"Trade Patty mills? Or let Cojo walk?"

"I've said all along that I liked Cory over Patty, so I'd go for the former choice." chifag

You actually already made your choice.

"Don't think the Spurs needs to worry about that this season, though. Someone will be willing to take Mills in the off-season if necessary. Hell, Philly may even give up something of value." chifag

This doesn't actually change anything.


So you actually did participate in this hypothetical question you stupid fag.

"I said the Spurs weren't going to trade Mills, but that they could easily if they wanted to." chifag

Actually no you didnt fag.

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God, dude, are you 15? Did you seriously make a jumbled mess of post just so you could call me 'Chifag' as many times as you could? And you expect anyone to take you seriously?

Anyway, I'd pick Cory over Patty. I proposed the trade scenario to show that Mills could be dumped easily. The Spurs will not be in a position to where they can't afford Joseph because Mills is on the team.

So let's recap: The thread is about if we'd rather trade Mills or let Cory walk. I picked the former. Then I said there's no reason to worry about picking now because Mills can be traded at any time. Then I said that if the Spurs went that route this season, here's an idea.

Your only response to the idea was that Mills wasn't going to be traded, which I agreed with. That you meant ever and I meant this season is at best my misunderstanding and more likely yours, since my scenario is only applicable to this season.

So to clarify, neither Mills nor Joseph should be traded this season. Neither should be moved next season unless the Spurs desperately need cap space. If it's a choice between the two of them, Mills can be moved easily, so his contract doesn't give him the edge over Joseph. I like Joseph better, so I think he should be the one to stay.

However, there's enough room for both if Manu retires. They're playing well together now.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

God, dude, are you 15? Did you seriously make a jumbled mess of post just so you could call me 'Chifag' as many times as you could? And you expect anyone to take you seriously?

Anyway, I'd pick Cory over Patty. I proposed the trade scenario to show that Mills could be dumped easily. The Spurs will not be in a position to where they can't afford Joseph because Mills is on the team.

So let's recap: The thread is about if we'd rather trade Mills or let Cory walk. I picked the former. Then I said there's no reason to worry about picking now because Mills can be traded at any time. Then I said that if the Spurs went that route this season, here's an idea.

Your only response to the idea was that Mills wasn't going to be traded, which I agreed with. That you meant ever and I meant this season is at best my misunderstanding and more likely yours, since my scenario is only applicable to this season.

So to clarify, neither Mills nor Joseph should be traded this season. Neither should be moved next season unless the Spurs desperately need cap space. If it's a choice between the two of them, Mills can be moved easily, so his contract doesn't give him the edge over Joseph. I like Joseph better, so I think he should be the one to stay.

However, there's enough room for both if Manu retires. They're playing well together now.

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You said we don't have to worry about it this year but you could still trade mills in the future. Hence 'trade", hence still part of the subject. Chifag. :lol

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Originally Posted by dabom

You said we don't have to worry about it this year but you could still trade mills in the future. Hence 'trade", hence still part of the subject. Chifag. :lol

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What part of, 'I'd pick Cory over Patty but neither should be moved,' is hard for you to get? If your whole thing is going to be Patty>Cory, that's cool, but it's a different argument than the 'This proposal's stupid because Mills isn't going to be traded' thing you're running with currently.

keep both

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Originally Posted by Chinook

What part of, 'I'd pick Cory over Patty but neither should be moved,' is hard for you to get? If your whole thing is going to be Patty>Cory, that's cool, but it's a different argument than the 'This proposal's stupid because Mills isn't going to be traded' thing you're running with currently.

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But you never said both would not be moved. You initially stated the spurs could wait until next season to trade mills. You're trying to move the post it's so funny.
More like "This proposal's stupid because Mills isn't going to be traded to keep cory" scenario. :lol

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Originally Posted by in2deep

keep both

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Depending on Joseph's price tag, I'd keep both. Joseph got better, but he isn't a starting material PG. Teams won't put a crazy offer on the table to get a decent good backup PG.
SA has to let go Belineli, Ayres, Daye and Bonner, not young players that can still improve on decent contracts.

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Originally Posted by lefty

Keep MVPatty and Cojo and unload Enrique

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Keep both and trade Parker next year.Duncan and Manu are retiring this season.Start rebuilding process.

Fact is that at the end of this season Duncan, Parker and Ginobli will retire with Pop. This season has made them well aware that they are getting old, a little stale and that is time to enjoy their vast wealth. So for Spurs to get rid of Cojo or Patty would be madness. Next season both players will finally be paid their true worth . So Cojo will hang around on that understanding with Spurs management. Get ready fans a Spurs era is about to end - lets hope they make the playoffs first.

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Originally Posted by DAF86

Considering their respective contracts I would trade Tony before trading Mills, tbh. Not even trolling.

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Originally Posted by downunder

Fact is that at the end of this season Duncan, Parker and Ginobli will retire with Pop. This season has made them well aware that they are getting old, a little stale and that is time to enjoy their vast wealth. So for Spurs to get rid of Cojo or Patty would be madness. Next season both players will finally be paid their true worth . So Cojo will hang around on that understanding with Spurs management. Get ready fans a Spurs era is about to end - lets hope they make the playoffs first.

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Pop just signed like a 5 year extension and Tony signed a 3 year extension, IIRC... those two are not going anywhere.

Lettuce beef real tea.

Patty is an SG. Joseph is a PG. Keep both.

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Originally Posted by dabom

But you never said both would not be moved. You initially stated the spurs could wait until next season to trade mills. You're trying to move the post it's so funny.
More like "This proposal's stupid because Mills isn't going to be traded to keep cory" scenario. :lol

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Do you have terrible reading comprehension? I said the Spurs don't have to make a decision because they can dump Mills at any time (and because Cory is an RFA). So they don't have to worry about next year until they see what's in front of them.

Again, a Mills/Joseph debate is a worthy one to have, but that's not an evaluation of a trade proposal. You thinking Mills is better in no way negates me saying Patty can be moved easily.

Corey has awesome defense and is able to get the the rim now even better than parker at the moment, then again Mills can fill it up. Both play vital roles that this team needs. Take one away, and we won't be as successful.

it's pretty obvious cojo is the better player and it's not really close, but i don't consider patty as a point guard so depending on the offer they may stay both. i doubt cory will get such a great offer, there just aren't that many teams with capspace

I don't think they necessarily have to slot Mills in as a PG. I think they keep both, and Patty is the backup scorer/SG off the bench. Let Marco walk. Manu either retires or takes less to come back. But long-term, I think a CoJo/Mills back court off the bench is a realistic (and viable) possibility.

You can see Pop already starting to experiment with the two of them together now. CoJo's defense (especially if he can get it back up to last year's level) makes him a decent defender of backup SGs, even if he gives up height. Also, having a good second-unit back court locked in for ~$8M is a good deal.

Trade the players who fit the system? How long will the Spurs be doing those 'experiments' then let other teams savor the fruits of their labor?

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Originally Posted by hater

:lol love him but Mills is one of the most overhyped spur players ever :lol

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He was having a terrible playoff run til the finals

:lol playoff Patty

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Originally Posted by SpursFan313

He was having a terrible playoff run til the finals

:lol playoff Patty

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When the going gets tough, parker leaves only to come back if we're winning. :lol

Pop telling parker to stop going enrique mode and to pass the ball without hurting his feelings. :lol

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Originally Posted by hater

:lol love him but Mills is one of the most overhyped spur players ever :lol

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in isolation maybe, but it is undeniable, infallible, unquestionable, unequivocal, undebatable fact that we are a better team, and are now playing better with him in the team. Without him, we would not have 5.

Joseph's style of play is way too unattractive for teams to pay a lot for to be a backup IMO, he would have to make massive strides to become a legit starting PG..a PG that shoots mid-range jump shots and doesn't make plays for others is suited to be a scoring backup PG, obviously..so, I'm not really worried about other teams paying him too much, his skillset is tough to build around..

Patty is the same, as he's a 2-guard in a 6-footer's body, but those types of players seem to always fool teams into paying them:lol..

Isn't Patty on a ~3-4 mil per year contract? That's pretty good for your back-up pg/sg, 2nd best player of the 2nd unit etc2. If you let go of someone, it's Cojo. It really depends on what Pop wants to do when Manu retires, does patty become the full time back-up sg? If yes then keep both. If no, then let Cory walk.

And this is all because of TP's contract. I love Parker but damn that contract will kill us.