Would you be happy with this lineup opening day next year

No.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

You can't trade $9m for a "2nd round pick"... A pick is worth somewhere in the $3m region... the Spurs would still need to take in another $6m in contracts.

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You can trade a 9m contract for a pick. Picks have no dollar value in trades. The Spurs wouldn't have to take anything else back as long as the other team had enough cap space or a large enough trade exception.

All that being said, Gasol isn't leaving Memphis.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Looking at how Tim and Manu actually carried us through that tough December,

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we went on a losing record of 8-10. if that's how they carry us, retirement should be the first thing on their mind come July....

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Originally Posted by ElNono

You can't trade $9m for a "2nd round pick"... A pick is worth somewhere in the $3m region... the Spurs would still need to take in another $6m in contracts.

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You're acting like Splitter has negative value. He has positive value to a solid 20+ teams

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

You can trade a 9m contract for a pick. Picks have no dollar value in trades. The Spurs wouldn't have to take anything else back as long as the other team had enough cap space or a large enough trade exception.

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AFAIK, it doesn't work like that. If the Spurs would trade a single player for picks (which you are correct have a $0 salary value), then the Trade Exception would kick in and they would then have one year to acquire the difference in salary.

The $3m value I posted above is what picks normally go for in cash, IIRC.

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Originally Posted by hater

we went on a losing record of 8-10. if that's how they carry us, retirement should be the first thing on their mind come July....

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They played almost every game, including five back to backs... the question is if they have anything left in the tank, and that stretch certainly showed they do.

This team obviously can't rely just on them, they need all the pieces, but Tim and Gino are certainly still playing at a high level.

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Originally Posted by Cklbmk

You're acting like Splitter has negative value. He has positive value to a solid 20+ teams

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It's called matching salaries, has nothing to do with Splitter's value. Look it up.

I would actually think the Spurs can do much better than a 2nd round pick for Tiago...

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Originally Posted by ElNono

They played almost every game, including five back to backs... the question is if they have anything left in the tank, and that stretch certainly showed they do.

This team obviously can't rely just on them, they need all the pieces, but Tim and Gino are certainly still playing at a high level.

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not sure if I agree. Sure with plenty of rest and reduced minutes them 2 CAN play at high level. But we are talking about another 82 games in 2015-1016. sorry but from what I've seen this is not doable for them and still benefiting the team.

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Originally Posted by hater

not sure if I agree. Sure with plenty of rest and reduced minutes them 2 CAN play at high level. But we are talking about another 82 games in 2015-1016. sorry but from what I've seen this is not doable for them and still benefiting the team.

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:lol you don't have to agree. That was the most brutal month in the Duncan era scheduling-wise, fact. They carried this team through that month without Kiwi and Parker for large stretches to a near .500 record, fact.

Sure, they were tired at the end of the whole ordeal, that's expected. They'll get some rest now, but there's obviously a lot left in the tank for both of those guys.

Obviously, if they feel like walking away, then that's that. Nobody is stopping them.

Which Gasol?

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Originally Posted by ElNono

:lol you don't have to agree. That was the most brutal month in the Duncan era scheduling-wise, fact. They carried this team through that month without Kiwi and Parker for large stretches to a near .500 record, fact.

Sure, they were tired at the end of the whole ordeal, that's expected. They'll get some rest now, but there's obviously a lot left in the tank for both of those guys.

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disagree. a losing record does not = carrying the team. next year will be even worse. we can't expect to save the 2 spots for these 2 old fellas, Spurs need to move on eventually. As I said I am 98% sure both will retire next year.

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Originally Posted by Cklbmk

You're acting like Splitter has negative value. He has positive value to a solid 20+ teams

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Let me get this straight, in your scenario you are salary dumping a player that has "positive value" for both the Spurs and most of the league for a 2nd round pick, bringing over a 6'10 forward who has never played in the NBA to play SG, all the while assuming that the cornerstone player of the franchise for the past 16 years is going to decide to comeback for the grind of an 82 game season instead of being with his kids/GF for the smallest exception available. Meanwhile your assuming that the cornerstone of another franchise and a player that literally grew up in memphis, is going to leave just for the hell of it despite the the Griz being able to beat any financial offer the Spurs can muster. On top of that the Spurs are going to allow Cory Joseph, a proven NBA PG, to walk away without getting anything in return so they can draft an unproven rookie (likely in the low to mid-20s in terms of draft position), meanwhile rejecting one of the most beloved players of the franchise over the last decade from returning because he "gets buried since hes dead".

David Khan is that you?

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Originally Posted by ElNono

AFAIK, it doesn't work like that. If the Spurs would trade a single player for picks (which you are correct have a $0 salary value), then the Trade Exception would kick in and they would then have one year to acquire the difference in salary.

The $3m value I posted above is what picks normally go for in cash, IIRC.

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That's exactly how it works. A trade like that would indeed create a trade exception that would be valid for one year from the date of the trade. There is, however, no requirement that any part of the trade exception ever be used.

The dollars paid for a pick do not count towards incoming or outgoing salaries for trade purposes.

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Originally Posted by Andthentherewas21

Let me get this straight, in your scenario you are salary dumping a player that has "positive value" for both the Spurs and most of the league for a 2nd round pick, bringing over a 6'10 forward who has never played in the NBA to play SG, all the while assuming that the cornerstone player of the franchise for the past 16 years is going to decide to comeback for the grind of an 82 game season instead of being with his kids/GF for the smallest exception available. Meanwhile your assuming that the cornerstone of another franchise and a player that literally grew up in memphis, is going to leave just for the hell of it despite the the Griz being able to beat any financial offer the Spurs can muster. On top of that the Spurs are going to allow Cory Joseph, a proven NBA PG, to walk away without getting anything in return so they can draft an unproven rookie (likely in the low to mid-20s in terms of draft position), meanwhile rejecting one of the most beloved players of the franchise over the last decade from returning because he "gets buried since hes dead".

David Khan is that you?

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Originally Posted by hater

disagree. a losing record does not = carrying the team. next year will be even worse. we can't expect to save the 2 spots for these 2 old fellas, Spurs need to move on eventually. As I said I am 98% sure both will retire next year.

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The Spurs will move on when those two decide to hang them up. That has always been the case, this isn't really news.

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Originally Posted by Cklbmk

You're acting like Splitter has negative value. He has positive value to a solid 20+ teams

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Which teams doesn't he add value for as at the very least the #3 big man? Probably just Chicago - so that's 29 teams

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

That's exactly how it works. A trade like that would indeed create a trade exception that would be valid for one year from the date of the trade. There is, however, no requirement that any part of the trade exception ever be used.

The dollars paid for a pick do not count towards incoming or outgoing salaries for trade purposes.

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The trade exception does count as salary though, if the trade takes the team under the cap, which defeats the entire premise of salary dumping him.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

The trade exception does count as salary though, if the trade takes the team under the cap, which defeats the entire premise of salary dumping him.

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If the purpose of the salary dump was to create cap space, the trade exception would be renounced.

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

If the purpose of the salary dump was to create cap space, the trade exception would be renounced.

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Good point. I stand corrected then.

I still think the Spurs would be better off using Tiago's $9m in a S&T for Gasol if there would actually be any possibility of landing him, which I think there's not.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I still think the Spurs would be better off using Tiago's $9m in a S&T for Gasol if there would actually be any possibility of landing him, which I think there's not.

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Absolutely agree. The notion of salary dumping Splitter is absurd, as is the notion that Gasol would leave Memphis.

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Originally Posted by Andthentherewas21

Let me get this straight, in your scenario you are salary dumping a player that has "positive value" for both the Spurs and most of the league for a 2nd round pick, bringing over a 6'10 forward who has never played in the NBA to play SG, all the while assuming that the cornerstone player of the franchise for the past 16 years is going to decide to comeback for the grind of an 82 game season instead of being with his kids/GF for the smallest exception available. Meanwhile your assuming that the cornerstone of another franchise and a player that literally grew up in memphis, is going to leave just for the hell of it despite the the Griz being able to beat any financial offer the Spurs can muster. On top of that the Spurs are going to allow Cory Joseph, a proven NBA PG, to walk away without getting anything in return so they can draft an unproven rookie (likely in the low to mid-20s in terms of draft position), meanwhile rejecting one of the most beloved players of the franchise over the last decade from returning because he "gets buried since hes dead".

David Khan is that you?

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If dumping a player with positive value gets a player with a lot more value you do it.

If Manu plays minutes next season we're closer to contending for the number one pick than the finals.

Duncan can take the first half of the season off for all anyone cares.

Joseph is gone regardless. His cap hold is worth more than him. That is unless we don't plan to do anything in free agency other than resign our own players.

We draft for needs. 3rd string PG would be a need.

I'm sorry that you can't comprehend strategy