:lol Spursfan panicking... this was a 20+ point win with Kiwi covering all the defensive fuckups...
Max player can't come back soon enough, tbh
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:lol Spursfan panicking... this was a 20+ point win with Kiwi covering all the defensive fuckups...
Max player can't come back soon enough, tbh
When will that be though?
Did OP have a truth sandwich for lunch?
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Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
Kawhi is by far the most important player on the team, as we saw when he was out last year and are seeing again this year, but Parker's presence is beginning to make me question the direction of this team, tbh..
And then get hurt again
KL cant fix other player's shit show.
Well, Pop has to play him, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Malik Hairston
With a truth salad tbh....Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
He actually does cover a lot of shit... we got outrebounded again tonight... that's something Kiwi can help with...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chomag
Gonna be much better when he gets back but I'm worried Pop might stick with Daye starting tbh :lol
You would think at some point Pop is gonna look at the standings, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
Pretty much why I'm not melting down yet.
Green looks gassed having to carry Kawhi's load especially since Daye/Beli are so fucking trash and Anderson is still inexperienced.
Plus the rebounding issue.
Like Harlem said, it's the Enrique Smith factor that is worrying.
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Originally Posted by Chomag
Who knows tbh. Team was on cruise control for most of the regular season last year, so I think he's just switching shit up for no reason because he's bored.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Parker sucked last season but he wasn't a cancer on the court. We could still win games in spite of his presence. Now he just kills our offense and doesn't play a lick of defense. Not too confident about a team with current Tony Parker getting as much touches as he doesQuote:
Originally Posted by Malik Hairston
Even IF we have everyone back and healthy at the end of the year, it's going to be a tall task to win without HCA throughout the WC Playoffs. Not panicking at all, but I think expecting a championship this year could be setting yourself up for failure. Just enjoy last years, and if we somehow find a way to get back there this year, so be it. Anything more is just gravy.
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Originally Posted by Silver&Black
This are all close games... you drop a guy that gives you a +10 out there, and you win most of them.... Kiwi is that guy...
Corny.....I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
With OKC finishing as a lower seed and the West being strong in general, it really is highly unlikely that the top seeds advance IMO. Even if the Spurs finish in the 4-6 range, i think there's a chance they get homecourt in a series or two and against the East.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
An important, but unnoticed storyline for last year's Spurs' historic basketball(the greatest playoff team of all-time) was that Parker sat on the bench for large stretches of the playoffs..the Spurs' were statistically better when he was on the bench..he even missed game 5 of the Blazers series and the 2nd half of the OKC series, and the Spurs still won:lol..Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
Parker was virtually a non-factor in last year's playoffs, and Pop didn't hesitate to sit him for key stretches..I'm not sure Pop will do the same this year, unfortunately, I don't know if Parker's ego could handle 2 straight runs of not being the star..
I don't think Kawhi can fix Pop coaching decisions... 2015 Pop is not looking good...
He also negates 6+ from the opponent so that's a 16 point swing. (Just made all of that shit up so I don't know if the math checks out) (also doubt I'm using negates correctly)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
sounds legitQuote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
:lmao bruh :sleepQuote:
Originally Posted by Silver&Black
Yeah nothing is guaranteed and the Spurs have too much to work on to get back to their expected level. But what they have in their favor is that they match up well with majority of the West that HC doesnt matter much. The East scares me more, imo. Spurs East and the Bulls.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
Assuming that Pop isn't going mad scientist and playing Diaw/Ayers in the 4th...Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
I love Leonard but I'm not sure if even he can negate the cancerous effect Parker is having on the starting unit. Tony is scary bad this year. Comparable to Josh Smith or Kobe.
Hypothetically, would you rather play ATL or Chicago, assuming both have HCA?Quote:
Originally Posted by timtonymanu
Not worried we will get it together by the rodeo road trip.
gotta get healthy
Everyone calling green a max player. :lol
The only max player in the spurs is Kawhi. He just does so many great things on the floor and covers up a lot of mistakes by teammates. Great rebounder. Great defender. No back down attitute. Seriously Kawhi has had to go through the toughest players in the league his whole career. People keep forgetting kawhi has tons of experience at a young age.
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Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
Green didn't have a good game tonight, but he's important. I actually feel he plays even better D when Kiwi is out there with him. There's some synergy there.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
If the Bulls end up keeping Rose (their version of Enrique), then the Bulls. Then again, I dont think Atlanta's ceiling is as high as the Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
Nah man. Kawhi is the man. He does actually step up when it gets going out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
He actually says he hates playing bad teams because you can't learn anything from them.
Kid is the truth and plays up to the competition which is good because he won't wear himself out or be stat stuffing.
Atlanta is playing real well... but you have to wonder if they're peaking too early...Quote:
Originally Posted by timtonymanu
Yeah, I agree. Spurs East is nice to watch, but their roster is still limited and that's why I feel they don't have much room to improve on while the Spurs are nowhere near their best.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
yeah, we'll be fine once kawhi comes back and is in game shape along with parker. i don't remember the exact stat but the line up we played the most last year has only played like 10-20 minutes so far this year. that pretty much says it all. can't expect to win every game when your best player is sitting in a suit.
i'm probably gonna stop visiting spurstalk until then though. the amount of parker whining/hating on here has gotten to the point where there's no longer any meaningful discussions. it's always "enrique this" or "enrique that." it's like.. we get it, you hate parker. stfu already, cuck.
He's our savior. Hope all the retards that thought Enrique was the best player on the team (:lmao) realize who's team this is now.
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Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
So Spurs are a one man team, that makes me feel better.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
it's not one or two guys for us, we need our top 4-5 guys healthy and playing... Kawhi happens to be one of them...Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
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Originally Posted by FkLA
Kawhi doesn't fix this team with marco and Tony one upping each other on who can cause the most destruction.
Not to mention Parker will probably do his best to make sure Kawhi is not involved in the offensive end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan89
I'm surprised apalisoc_9 didn't start this thread.:lol
Maybe TP wants to sabotage Kawhi's stellar season.
Exactly. People freaking out about losing to a top 3 team in the East on the road while starting Austin Daye.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
I completely agree, in theory, but:
1.) When will that be?
2.) Will he actually be at 100% when he comes back? I seem to remember talk of him potentially needing surgery after the season is over. If there's even a hint of truth in that, can Kawhi actually "fix everything" if he's still got some sort of nagging hand injury?
We need the defense and rebounding much more than the scoring right now... when we get stops, we normally can score fairly easily on fast breaks... we're just not getting stops now, and that makes it difficult to play at a fast pace...Quote:
Originally Posted by Godbama
That and get guys that have been injured back into form, I won't panic unless the Rodeo Trip is a bust. I anticipate a nice streak setting us up for a strong second half.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Can Leonard guard five positions at once? who the fuck are you kidding? They're playing terrible basketball right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
First, Parker was injured too you know..
Hoops..
:lmao
He doesn't need to. We're actually losing close games... it's not like we're getting blown out. A 10 point swing would've changed 6-10 games from a L to a W...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
Why don't you put this in your signature so you don't have to repeat it in every single one of your post, that is when you're not jacking off to the "on court" corpse of Kiwi Lemon.Quote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
We were losing close games WITH leonard. It doesn't change the fact that other players have to play better. This isn't a championship calibre team at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Yeah, it has been that way for a while though man :( Health is key here but damn right now it's frustrating seeing them in 7th and just staying afloat. This shows you how spoiled we are as fans to be this upset over a 7th place right now and honestly not used to losing games. Love this team but damn it's tough right now, welcome to reality I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Your right. BTW are you a Cavs fan or not? I never fully knew whether you were someone who had two teams or just someone who didn't pick the right team when he signed up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
We're 15-7 with Kawhi, and that's with Patty, Tony, Tiago and Marco missing for a bunch of games. We're 9-9 without him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
This is a champion caliber team when everyone is healthy, period. We haven't been there yet.
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Originally Posted by ElNono
Hoops czar..
:lmao
Originally, Hoops was a troll account. Since 2010, I abandoned my original account and stuck with this one. I grew up in Ohio so I chose Cleveland as my favorite team. I'm a Spurs fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
With Joseph's improved play and Patty being back, are we actually better off with TP injured :lol
I assume you're including the eight game win streak which included the likes of Philly (2), Boston, Indiana, Minnesota and Cleveland (by 2, which every other team in the league pounds home or away) and Brooklyn. Blink twice if this is correct. I didn't say they weren't championship calibre. I said they aren't playing like a championship calibre team at the moment. Also, if the Spurs can't hit free throws, they'll have trouble winning close games regardless who takes the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
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Originally Posted by Brunodf
I'm including whatever the schedule was. That's a 77% win clip. At that clip, if he didn't get injured, our current record would be 30-9. That's good enough for seed #3 right now, only one game behind Portland. IIRC, we only got blown out in one or two games this season, with or without Kawhi. We just haven't had him, Patty, Tony all together at once yet. We had a brutal december schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
This team right now isn't playing great, but it's not playing horrible either. When Kawhi was around, our defense was great, but our offense was crap. Now our offense isn't bad, but our defense is lacking. Without our top 5-6 guys healthy, we're not going to win anything, that much is clear. But so far, there's no season ending injuries, so there's nothing to panic about right now.
Agree and disagree. The first paragraph is completely hypothetical. You're making baseless assumptions. They weren't playing great with Leonard and the competition was soft. Other than the game against GS, I can't think of another game that flat out impressed me in all phases. It's true that injuries are the major culprit, but missed defensive assignments, bad free throw shooting, careless turnovers and a little bit of bad luck put them in this current predicament. You can't put that all on Kiwi. "Only got blown out in one or two games" is definitely taking the half glass full approach but, they haven't been blowing teams away either. Believe it or not, the competition is cut throat in the WC and the margin of error is nil. And to think the healthiest, most durable player on the court is 39 year old Tim Duncan.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
The biggest problem is how healthy will Kawhi be when he returns? He went from needing surgery to his hand maybe being 100%? I doubt it.
No denying he's a huge help, but this team will still be poor in clutch situations and everyone else needs to step up. Kawhi fixes a lot of issues, but he can't fix the entire team who are struggling mightily all by himself.
Our bigs no named Duncan should be top worst rebounding big men in the league. Tonight, Tiago...3 Diaw....2 Bonner...0.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Take Kawhi's entire career winning rate if you think 22 games is a small sample. It's not much different. When Kawhi was playing, we were missing other key players (Tiago, Tony, Patty) who are now back. Missing freebies costs you much more in close games. I don't think all those games would be that close if we had a full roster, so that's debatable. We're certainly not invincible when fully healthy, but we're also not super horrible right now. As "cut throat" as you say the competition is in the West, and as "terrible" we've been playing with all the injuries and tough schedule, we're a mere 5 games away from the #3 seed, with 43 games to play and we've not yet had a full healthy roster for a single game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
Kiwi gets rebounds. That is all I have to say....
plz sugar K Lenard come back soon......
Not arguing with you Nono but a lot of teams can make that claim. Can't worry about the players not dressed, you have to worry about the players that are actually playing. As a unit, it's not a pretty sight. 5 games to #3 seed and 3 games from #9.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Can they? who? Even the Thunder, who have their own struggles, had their key guys playing together for quite a few games. Bogut has played for the Warriors, IIRC. Blazers were whole through mid-December, and Lopez will likely be back by the end of January. Memphis missed ZBo for a few games, but he's back and playing. Mavs are whole. Rockets are whole. We just had tough luck with injuries this season. Hopefully it stops now. We can have some key guys sit out a game or two, but when it's 10-20 games, there will be repercussions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
I mean, the Spurs might not even peak the way they did last season, that's entire possible, and they might not be able to win it all again (winning it all it's extremely difficult, even when you're clicking. A couple of bad bounces or a shooting slump can leave you out), but right now there's no indication that we can't get the team all healthy at some point, and I think it's fair to say the only way to go is up if we get there. It doesn't mean we're going to win every game, but it does probably mean we're going to get closer to that #3 seed than that #9 seed.
True. We have to remind ourselves the team that obliterated the Heat a few months ago hasn't played together this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Hoops is just another lebron slurper. Fucking faggot.
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Originally Posted by dabom
Of course this faggot would down play kawhis game. KaWHi pretty much raped lebron on national tv this summer.
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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
You'd have to be an imbecile to not think Kawhi is the number 1 or 1b player in the team tbh..Smart fans agree on this tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Hoops is obviously not smart, basketball wise.
Only issue will be Kawhi's health (yes I know capt. Obvious). You know guys will take shots at his hand. He's a tough kid so as long as the injury isn't made worse, should be okay in that regard.
Least there haven't been any mentions of the tendonitis from last year, so whatever they did with that seems to have helped a lot.
And if other players don't step up, it won't matter much. Marion, I mean Leonard can't win a championship by himself, tbh. "Teams" win championships, not individual players.Quote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
pop called kawhi the face of the franchise aFTer his first year. Fuck you faggot.
Agreed on all accounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
IMO, Tim has to give Kawhi one of his Punisher knee braces and adapt it to the hand... badass shitQuote:
Originally Posted by HI-FI
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Originally Posted by dabom
Cosigned. If Kawhi could wear an Army of Darkness type gauntlet, he'd be my all time favorite.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
No, he called him the FUTURE face of the franchise. Pop is a hoot though isn't he?Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
For those guys who are selective about the reality they can accept, in order to stop living in denial...Leonard's presence is vital to win.Quote:
Other than the game against GS, I can't think of another game that flat out impressed me in all phases. It's true that injuries are the major culprit, but missed defensive assignments, bad free throw shooting, careless turnovers and a little bit of bad luck put them in this current predicament. You can't put that all on Kiwi. "Only got blown out in one or two games" is definitely taking the half glass full approach but, they haven't been blowing teams away either. Believe it or not, the competition is cut throat in the WC and the margin of error is nil.
Can't worry about the players not dressed, you have to worry about the players that are actually playing
And if other players don't step up, it won't matter much. Marion, I mean Leonard can't win a championship by himself, tbh. "Teams" win championships, not individual players
Without him last season: Net RTG only .1
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7Rx722CMAAtMoF.png:large
Without him this season: RTG jut .0
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7RyAknCAAAluMu.png:large
The numbers are really bad and pretty similar, it's not about the team this season... last season they played bad without him, too. His absence makes a bigger negative impact than other players on the team.
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Originally Posted by wildchild
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Originally Posted by HI-FI
If he's able to play like the 2 games that he had a "bruised" hand then the team should be fine. His only issue was 1st quarter shooting. I'm pretty sure one of those games was the one where he almost got a 5x5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
You are one of the more ignorant posters on this site. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. You'll have to point me to the post where I said Leonard wasn't important and didn't have an impact on the court. The Spurs aren't winning a championship without a healthy Leonard. They also aren't winning a championship without a healthy Duncan, Splitter, Green, Parker and Manu. There isn't anything to debate. If you think Leonard is going to carry the Spurs to a championship, you're the one in denial.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildchild
It's not about if Kawhi is or not important, if he has an impact....it's about he's the most important, the bigger impact...Without him last regular season they had a similar record, a stretch of agonizing losses until Leonard's return.Quote:
The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. You'll have to point me to the post where I said Leonard wasn't important and didn't have an impact on the court. The Spurs aren't winning a championship without a healthy Leonard.
The fact is the Spurs won the WCF with Parker on the bench, they won the semifinals with Manu playing poorly, they won with Danny's 3's weren't falling...but they couldn't win those games without Leonard playing at high level.Quote:
They also aren't winning a championship without a healthy Duncan, Splitter, Green, Parker and Manu. There isn't anything to debate. If you think Leonard is going to carry the Spurs to a championship, you're the one in denial
Facts and numbers are as they are, it's not their fault if you can't recognize Leonard as the most irreplaceable player on the team.
You're a poster, right? So this ^ can't be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
Save your breath tbh...Quote:
Originally Posted by wildchild
Hoops doesn't really know much about basketball..Probably never played BB in real life
At this point, he'd better, or we're in trouble
I knowQuote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
i'm having a conversation with a dead head who doesn't understand simple English. I'm not discrediting Leonard's importance or value to the team. If you want to set place values on each player, that's your prerogative. I'm flat out telling they won't win a championship without the minions or so-called helpers, if that's how you want to play it, contributing to the just cause. Lebron didn't singlehandedly win Miami a championship in 2012. He had help from players like Miller, Battier, Allen, Chalmers. Same goes for 2013. The place setters are just as important as the meat and potatoes. And don't get caught up in the hype, Leonard played tremendous defense on Lebron in the finals but, he isn't in the same zip code in terms of talent or production.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildchild
Btw, why don't you go back and see how many of those games you quoted, in which the Spurs bench obliterated the opposing team's bench in scoring. In all of which you speak, it spoke more about the Spurs depth than anything else. All you did was call out a few names and cherry picked a few games in which they struggled, a shallow move on your part. leonard's had his moments too.
If your goal is to continue to move the goal posts 6 inches to the left every time you Quote me, mission accomplished! It's reading comprehension like yours that only further proves why so many of the big city public elementary schools in the U.S. are failing to make the grade.
Not to discount injuries in general, but the Spurs, unlike last year, are doing themselves in with missed free throws, careless turnovers and missed defensive assignments from normally sound defenders (Green, Duncan, Splitter) most of which has nothing to do with Leonard's absence. No two seasons are alike. I don't buy the regular season record with and without because the schedule was decidedly easier when he played than not this year. Heck, they weren't even impressive in the majority of those games. Last year, coupled with Leonard's injury, Green got off to a ridiculously slow start and Patty didn't emerge til mid season. But, they still beat teams they were suppose to beat.
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Originally Posted by Malik Hairston
:lol repeating the same take over and over and over... we understood you the first time
and finally :lol @ pop giving a shit about a player's ego
Only people who did not pay attention could think that Kawhi is not the most valuable player of the Spurs since two years now...
Duncan was the best and mnost consistent player of last year PO run without a doubt but Kawhi was more important because of course he is a great player but also because we have nobody at SF position capable to bring half of what Kawhi brings in Defense department, rebounding but also for some stretches in offense. Roster lacks back up SF badly.
Kiwi is a max player in today's nba without the shadow of a doubt... only concern is health... knee, eye, hand...