Homeless Shelter of JaMychal Green

LGTSS

:lol pulling for the kid. But right off the bat you can tell he's a tweener.

guy sucks...bring daye back

He ball watches too much on offense.

He either needs to get back and prevent transition or crash the boards and help with the rebound. He just stands in the corner and waits

he looks like a Dleague player imo

He may be missing his chance, agreed. But, The Spurs are very patient with projects. Green is shooting worse than ever. The question is, is that the new normal? Or, would you expect him to at the least revert back to the mean? Any player, at his age, I would expect them to revert back to the mean. It would be bizarre to think their shooting ability regresses this much in their "prime" and stays there. Danny Green 18 missed in a row from the arc. Belli started off 0/11 from the arc in the preseason. Still isn't shooting well. Was 0/2 last night. Kyle is 0/5. Kawhi is shooting .229 from 3. Team 3% is ticking up. It was down 8% from last year, but is now down only 4%. Much better, but still indicative of how pervasive the problem has been. It's not just Green.

Also, I wonder if Chip's tutelage has anything to do with getting in the their heads, if their working on form more aggressively in the beginning of the season, have they also been tweaking Green's form, or he's just wilting under the pressure of trying to earn a spot? Whatever the case, it has manifested in some real ugliness. I also wonder to what extent Pop has given him the green light to press shots, or shoot himself out of it, etc. I would like to be a fly on the wall to the psychology, there. I do seem to see the team passing more to him, as his slump continues. He may be lighting it up in practice for all we know. They still seem to believe he can knock it down. Even though he isn't.

It has been painful to watch his early shooting, to be sure. And, the team's in general. I wish he would pass on some of his ill-chosen 2-point attempts, as well. However, I doubt The Spurs are going to get rid of him this year. He has still played under 250 minutes of game-time as a Spur. I still don't feel like this is as much time as others seem to pretend it is. I think The Spurs will continue to give him opportunities and coach him up, and see what they've got at the end of the year. If he has made no improvement by March or April, then it will not be a surprise if Bertans gets his spot, or LJC, or any other project, next season. I just don't see The Spurs being as critical of their investment this early in the renovation.

Exstatic is right that he is in a precarious position, but his position has always been precarious since the day he arrived. I believe some even thought he would be waived after the De Colo trade, before the end of the regular season. Many believed that he would surely not have his $750,000 option for this year picked up by The Spurs. They were all wrong. Then there are the ones that floated multiple scenarios where The Spurs would cut him, eat whatever portion of his contract they must and open a roster spot for their veteran that wouldn't come here or their prospect de jour. That didn't happen either. Now, after a shooting start well below his average, the same group of people is saying that Green's days are numbered and he is playing himself out of the league, etc. He might be. But he's already done enough to make all of those other predictions wrong, thus far, and unless someone spectacular comes available, or we have serious injury issues, Green will continue to get an opportunity throughout the rest of the season.

He probably misunderstood where he was supposed to be positioned with Tony on one play. That turnover may have been on him, mostly, not Tony. The pass into the corner he fumbled was just a bad pass. Those things are fixed over time. No biggie. Most of these guys have played together for years and years. Even our "young" Danny Green has been in the system for 4-5 freakin' years now, I believe. Some familiarity and calm comes with that kind of tenure.

Green got burned a few times on defense last night. One time on a switch he ended up guarding Williams out at the top of the key. Green should not be guarding Williams near the top of the key. I don't expect him to do really well in those situations. Guarding a guard is not a dream scenario for him. He was in a bad situation and didn't survive it. We've seen Tony torch plenty of bigs like that. I don't hold that so much against Green. Perimeter defense was going to always be his weakness. This is not surprising. There are not a lot of 6'11" perimeter defenders. Much less million dollar ones. His interior defense has been much better than everyone originally suggested. Everyone harped on his weight.

If you take note of all of the criticisms of him this season, thus far, very few issues are being made of his weight. He is holding his own in the paint pretty well. Not great, but acceptable, and already much better than detractors said he would be able to.

Also, some of his other contributions have been adequate (I did not say great, or even good, just good enough) enough that if his shooting had been up to par or better, some of his short-comings would be mitigated. His inability to shoot the ball has put a magnifying glass on his every other flaw, and has even caused observers to dismiss his contributions.

One cannot make fun of his foot speed and getting burned by a smaller, quicker player, and at the same time dismiss his blocks, steals, altered shots, and rebounds as just a function of him being a "tall" small forward. Those strengths and weaknesses go hand in hand. It would be like making fun of Tony for being quick, because, you know, 6' guards are supposed to be quick.

The good news is, he can almost immediately start being a net positive by simply knocking down his jumper. And, as a shooter, that could as easily begin in the next game as it could not.

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Originally Posted by Cklbmk

He ball watches too much on offense.

He either needs to get back and prevent transition or crash the boards and help with the rebound. He just stands in the corner and waits

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Dude plays three minutes in a four-center lineup and spurfan criticizes.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Dude plays three minutes in a four-center lineup and spurfan criticizes.

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poster posts 275 posts and spursfan criticizes.

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Originally Posted by hater

poster posts 275 posts and spursfan criticizes.

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Eh, probably an alt account.

At what post count should one be able to take criticism?

Gonna wait for this guy to play in meaningful time than garbage minutes

Is Daye down in Austin right now?

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Originally Posted by ElNono

He may be missing his chance, agreed. But, The Spurs are very patient with projects. Green is shooting worse than ever. The question is, is that the new normal? Or, would you expect him to at the least revert back to the mean? Any player, at his age, I would expect them to revert back to the mean. It would be bizarre to think their shooting ability regresses this much in their "prime" and stays there. Danny Green 18 missed in a row from the arc. Belli started off 0/11 from the arc in the preseason. Still isn't shooting well. Was 0/2 last night. Kyle is 0/5. Kawhi is shooting .229 from 3. Team 3% is ticking up. It was down 8% from last year, but is now down only 4%. Much better, but still indicative of how pervasive the problem has been. It's not just Green.

Also, I wonder if Chip's tutelage has anything to do with getting in the their heads, if their working on form more aggressively in the beginning of the season, have they also been tweaking Green's form, or he's just wilting under the pressure of trying to earn a spot? Whatever the case, it has manifested in some real ugliness. I also wonder to what extent Pop has given him the green light to press shots, or shoot himself out of it, etc. I would like to be a fly on the wall to the psychology, there. I do seem to see the team passing more to him, as his slump continues. He may be lighting it up in practice for all we know. They still seem to believe he can knock it down. Even though he isn't.

It has been painful to watch his early shooting, to be sure. And, the team's in general. I wish he would pass on some of his ill-chosen 2-point attempts, as well. However, I doubt The Spurs are going to get rid of him this year. He has still played under 250 minutes of game-time as a Spur. I still don't feel like this is as much time as others seem to pretend it is. I think The Spurs will continue to give him opportunities and coach him up, and see what they've got at the end of the year. If he has made no improvement by March or April, then it will not be a surprise if Bertans gets his spot, or LJC, or any other project, next season. I just don't see The Spurs being as critical of their investment this early in the renovation.

Exstatic is right that he is in a precarious position, but his position has always been precarious since the day he arrived. I believe some even thought he would be waived after the De Colo trade, before the end of the regular season. Many believed that he would surely not have his $750,000 option for this year picked up by The Spurs. They were all wrong. Then there are the ones that floated multiple scenarios where The Spurs would cut him, eat whatever portion of his contract they must and open a roster spot for their veteran that wouldn't come here or their prospect de jour. That didn't happen either. Now, after a shooting start well below his average, the same group of people is saying that Green's days are numbered and he is playing himself out of the league, etc. He might be. But he's already done enough to make all of those other predictions wrong, thus far, and unless someone spectacular comes available, or we have serious injury issues, Green will continue to get an opportunity throughout the rest of the season.

He probably misunderstood where he was supposed to be positioned with Tony on one play. That turnover may have been on him, mostly, not Tony. The pass into the corner he fumbled was just a bad pass. Those things are fixed over time. No biggie. Most of these guys have played together for years and years. Even our "young" Danny Green has been in the system for 4-5 freakin' years now, I believe. Some familiarity and calm comes with that kind of tenure.

Green got burned a few times on defense last night. One time on a switch he ended up guarding Williams out at the top of the key. Green should not be guarding Williams near the top of the key. I don't expect him to do really well in those situations. Guarding a guard is not a dream scenario for him. He was in a bad situation and didn't survive it. We've seen Tony torch plenty of bigs like that. I don't hold that so much against Green. Perimeter defense was going to always be his weakness. This is not surprising. There are not a lot of 6'11" perimeter defenders. Much less million dollar ones. His interior defense has been much better than everyone originally suggested. Everyone harped on his weight.

If you take note of all of the criticisms of him this season, thus far, very few issues are being made of his weight. He is holding his own in the paint pretty well. Not great, but acceptable, and already much better than detractors said he would be able to.

Also, some of his other contributions have been adequate (I did not say great, or even good, just good enough) enough that if his shooting had been up to par or better, some of his short-comings would be mitigated. His inability to shoot the ball has put a magnifying glass on his every other flaw, and has even caused observers to dismiss his contributions.

One cannot make fun of his foot speed and getting burned by a smaller, quicker player, and at the same time dismiss his blocks, steals, altered shots, and rebounds as just a function of him being a "tall" small forward. Those strengths and weaknesses go hand in hand. It would be like making fun of Tony for being quick, because, you know, 6' guards are supposed to be quick.

The good news is, he can almost immediately start being a net positive by simply knocking down his jumper. And, as a shooter, that could as easily begin in the next game as it could not.

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my head hurts

Pop playing JaMychal over Kyle ?

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Originally Posted by spursparker9

Pop playing JaMychal over Kyle ?

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Before shipping both to Austin.

I have no idea how bright JaMychal's NBA future is, but this thread title made me chuckle.

Kid was scared. Having his first game in a lineup with Errors/Bonner/Joseph/Baynes, poor kid. Pop wanted to make him feel like he was playing in a DLeague game.

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Originally Posted by weebo

guy sucks...bring daye back

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Originally Posted by hater

he looks like a Dleague player imo

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Originally Posted by spursparker9

Pop playing JaMychal over Kyle ?

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Dude JaSucks, I miss Daye soooooo much

ElNono dropping nukes.

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Originally Posted by robdiaz2191

ElNono dropping nukes.

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mah frijolero :tu

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Originally Posted by ElNono

He may be missing his chance, agreed. But, The Spurs are very patient with projects. Green is shooting worse than ever. The question is, is that the new normal? Or, would you expect him to at the least revert back to the mean? Any player, at his age, I would expect them to revert back to the mean. It would be bizarre to think their shooting ability regresses this much in their "prime" and stays there. Danny Green 18 missed in a row from the arc. Belli started off 0/11 from the arc in the preseason. Still isn't shooting well. Was 0/2 last night. Kyle is 0/5. Kawhi is shooting .229 from 3. Team 3% is ticking up. It was down 8% from last year, but is now down only 4%. Much better, but still indicative of how pervasive the problem has been. It's not just Green.

Also, I wonder if Chip's tutelage has anything to do with getting in the their heads, if their working on form more aggressively in the beginning of the season, have they also been tweaking Green's form, or he's just wilting under the pressure of trying to earn a spot? Whatever the case, it has manifested in some real ugliness. I also wonder to what extent Pop has given him the green light to press shots, or shoot himself out of it, etc. I would like to be a fly on the wall to the psychology, there. I do seem to see the team passing more to him, as his slump continues. He may be lighting it up in practice for all we know. They still seem to believe he can knock it down. Even though he isn't.

It has been painful to watch his early shooting, to be sure. And, the team's in general. I wish he would pass on some of his ill-chosen 2-point attempts, as well. However, I doubt The Spurs are going to get rid of him this year. He has still played under 250 minutes of game-time as a Spur. I still don't feel like this is as much time as others seem to pretend it is. I think The Spurs will continue to give him opportunities and coach him up, and see what they've got at the end of the year. If he has made no improvement by March or April, then it will not be a surprise if Bertans gets his spot, or LJC, or any other project, next season. I just don't see The Spurs being as critical of their investment this early in the renovation.

Exstatic is right that he is in a precarious position, but his position has always been precarious since the day he arrived. I believe some even thought he would be waived after the De Colo trade, before the end of the regular season. Many believed that he would surely not have his $750,000 option for this year picked up by The Spurs. They were all wrong. Then there are the ones that floated multiple scenarios where The Spurs would cut him, eat whatever portion of his contract they must and open a roster spot for their veteran that wouldn't come here or their prospect de jour. That didn't happen either. Now, after a shooting start well below his average, the same group of people is saying that Green's days are numbered and he is playing himself out of the league, etc. He might be. But he's already done enough to make all of those other predictions wrong, thus far, and unless someone spectacular comes available, or we have serious injury issues, Green will continue to get an opportunity throughout the rest of the season.

He probably misunderstood where he was supposed to be positioned with Tony on one play. That turnover may have been on him, mostly, not Tony. The pass into the corner he fumbled was just a bad pass. Those things are fixed over time. No biggie. Most of these guys have played together for years and years. Even our "young" Danny Green has been in the system for 4-5 freakin' years now, I believe. Some familiarity and calm comes with that kind of tenure.

Green got burned a few times on defense last night. One time on a switch he ended up guarding Williams out at the top of the key. Green should not be guarding Williams near the top of the key. I don't expect him to do really well in those situations. Guarding a guard is not a dream scenario for him. He was in a bad situation and didn't survive it. We've seen Tony torch plenty of bigs like that. I don't hold that so much against Green. Perimeter defense was going to always be his weakness. This is not surprising. There are not a lot of 6'11" perimeter defenders. Much less million dollar ones. His interior defense has been much better than everyone originally suggested. Everyone harped on his weight.

If you take note of all of the criticisms of him this season, thus far, very few issues are being made of his weight. He is holding his own in the paint pretty well. Not great, but acceptable, and already much better than detractors said he would be able to.

Also, some of his other contributions have been adequate (I did not say great, or even good, just good enough) enough that if his shooting had been up to par or better, some of his short-comings would be mitigated. His inability to shoot the ball has put a magnifying glass on his every other flaw, and has even caused observers to dismiss his contributions.

One cannot make fun of his foot speed and getting burned by a smaller, quicker player, and at the same time dismiss his blocks, steals, altered shots, and rebounds as just a function of him being a "tall" small forward. Those strengths and weaknesses go hand in hand. It would be like making fun of Tony for being quick, because, you know, 6' guards are supposed to be quick.

The good news is, he can almost immediately start being a net positive by simply knocking down his jumper. And, as a shooter, that could as easily begin in the next game as it could not.

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Get him for the minimum, why not?

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Originally Posted by ElNono

He may be missing his chance, agreed. But, The Spurs are very patient with projects. Green is shooting worse than ever. The question is, is that the new normal? Or, would you expect him to at the least revert back to the mean? Any player, at his age, I would expect them to revert back to the mean. It would be bizarre to think their shooting ability regresses this much in their "prime" and stays there. Danny Green 18 missed in a row from the arc. Belli started off 0/11 from the arc in the preseason. Still isn't shooting well. Was 0/2 last night. Kyle is 0/5. Kawhi is shooting .229 from 3. Team 3% is ticking up. It was down 8% from last year, but is now down only 4%. Much better, but still indicative of how pervasive the problem has been. It's not just Green.

Also, I wonder if Chip's tutelage has anything to do with getting in the their heads, if their working on form more aggressively in the beginning of the season, have they also been tweaking Green's form, or he's just wilting under the pressure of trying to earn a spot? Whatever the case, it has manifested in some real ugliness. I also wonder to what extent Pop has given him the green light to press shots, or shoot himself out of it, etc. I would like to be a fly on the wall to the psychology, there. I do seem to see the team passing more to him, as his slump continues. He may be lighting it up in practice for all we know. They still seem to believe he can knock it down. Even though he isn't.

It has been painful to watch his early shooting, to be sure. And, the team's in general. I wish he would pass on some of his ill-chosen 2-point attempts, as well. However, I doubt The Spurs are going to get rid of him this year. He has still played under 250 minutes of game-time as a Spur. I still don't feel like this is as much time as others seem to pretend it is. I think The Spurs will continue to give him opportunities and coach him up, and see what they've got at the end of the year. If he has made no improvement by March or April, then it will not be a surprise if Bertans gets his spot, or LJC, or any other project, next season. I just don't see The Spurs being as critical of their investment this early in the renovation.

Exstatic is right that he is in a precarious position, but his position has always been precarious since the day he arrived. I believe some even thought he would be waived after the De Colo trade, before the end of the regular season. Many believed that he would surely not have his $750,000 option for this year picked up by The Spurs. They were all wrong. Then there are the ones that floated multiple scenarios where The Spurs would cut him, eat whatever portion of his contract they must and open a roster spot for their veteran that wouldn't come here or their prospect de jour. That didn't happen either. Now, after a shooting start well below his average, the same group of people is saying that Green's days are numbered and he is playing himself out of the league, etc. He might be. But he's already done enough to make all of those other predictions wrong, thus far, and unless someone spectacular comes available, or we have serious injury issues, Green will continue to get an opportunity throughout the rest of the season.

He probably misunderstood where he was supposed to be positioned with Tony on one play. That turnover may have been on him, mostly, not Tony. The pass into the corner he fumbled was just a bad pass. Those things are fixed over time. No biggie. Most of these guys have played together for years and years. Even our "young" Danny Green has been in the system for 4-5 freakin' years now, I believe. Some familiarity and calm comes with that kind of tenure.

Green got burned a few times on defense last night. One time on a switch he ended up guarding Williams out at the top of the key. Green should not be guarding Williams near the top of the key. I don't expect him to do really well in those situations. Guarding a guard is not a dream scenario for him. He was in a bad situation and didn't survive it. We've seen Tony torch plenty of bigs like that. I don't hold that so much against Green. Perimeter defense was going to always be his weakness. This is not surprising. There are not a lot of 6'11" perimeter defenders. Much less million dollar ones. His interior defense has been much better than everyone originally suggested. Everyone harped on his weight.

If you take note of all of the criticisms of him this season, thus far, very few issues are being made of his weight. He is holding his own in the paint pretty well. Not great, but acceptable, and already much better than detractors said he would be able to.

Also, some of his other contributions have been adequate (I did not say great, or even good, just good enough) enough that if his shooting had been up to par or better, some of his short-comings would be mitigated. His inability to shoot the ball has put a magnifying glass on his every other flaw, and has even caused observers to dismiss his contributions.

One cannot make fun of his foot speed and getting burned by a smaller, quicker player, and at the same time dismiss his blocks, steals, altered shots, and rebounds as just a function of him being a "tall" small forward. Those strengths and weaknesses go hand in hand. It would be like making fun of Tony for being quick, because, you know, 6' guards are supposed to be quick.

The good news is, he can almost immediately start being a net positive by simply knocking down his jumper. And, as a shooter, that could as easily begin in the next game as it could not.

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Damn!

:lol

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Originally Posted by ElNono

He may be missing his chance, agreed. But, The Spurs are very patient with projects. Green is shooting worse than ever. The question is, is that the new normal? Or, would you expect him to at the least revert back to the mean? Any player, at his age, I would expect them to revert back to the mean. It would be bizarre to think their shooting ability regresses this much in their "prime" and stays there. Danny Green 18 missed in a row from the arc. Belli started off 0/11 from the arc in the preseason. Still isn't shooting well. Was 0/2 last night. Kyle is 0/5. Kawhi is shooting .229 from 3. Team 3% is ticking up. It was down 8% from last year, but is now down only 4%. Much better, but still indicative of how pervasive the problem has been. It's not just Green.

Also, I wonder if Chip's tutelage has anything to do with getting in the their heads, if their working on form more aggressively in the beginning of the season, have they also been tweaking Green's form, or he's just wilting under the pressure of trying to earn a spot? Whatever the case, it has manifested in some real ugliness. I also wonder to what extent Pop has given him the green light to press shots, or shoot himself out of it, etc. I would like to be a fly on the wall to the psychology, there. I do seem to see the team passing more to him, as his slump continues. He may be lighting it up in practice for all we know. They still seem to believe he can knock it down. Even though he isn't.

It has been painful to watch his early shooting, to be sure. And, the team's in general. I wish he would pass on some of his ill-chosen 2-point attempts, as well. However, I doubt The Spurs are going to get rid of him this year. He has still played under 250 minutes of game-time as a Spur. I still don't feel like this is as much time as others seem to pretend it is. I think The Spurs will continue to give him opportunities and coach him up, and see what they've got at the end of the year. If he has made no improvement by March or April, then it will not be a surprise if Bertans gets his spot, or LJC, or any other project, next season. I just don't see The Spurs being as critical of their investment this early in the renovation.

Exstatic is right that he is in a precarious position, but his position has always been precarious since the day he arrived. I believe some even thought he would be waived after the De Colo trade, before the end of the regular season. Many believed that he would surely not have his $750,000 option for this year picked up by The Spurs. They were all wrong. Then there are the ones that floated multiple scenarios where The Spurs would cut him, eat whatever portion of his contract they must and open a roster spot for their veteran that wouldn't come here or their prospect de jour. That didn't happen either. Now, after a shooting start well below his average, the same group of people is saying that Green's days are numbered and he is playing himself out of the league, etc. He might be. But he's already done enough to make all of those other predictions wrong, thus far, and unless someone spectacular comes available, or we have serious injury issues, Green will continue to get an opportunity throughout the rest of the season.

He probably misunderstood where he was supposed to be positioned with Tony on one play. That turnover may have been on him, mostly, not Tony. The pass into the corner he fumbled was just a bad pass. Those things are fixed over time. No biggie. Most of these guys have played together for years and years. Even our "young" Danny Green has been in the system for 4-5 freakin' years now, I believe. Some familiarity and calm comes with that kind of tenure.

Green got burned a few times on defense last night. One time on a switch he ended up guarding Williams out at the top of the key. Green should not be guarding Williams near the top of the key. I don't expect him to do really well in those situations. Guarding a guard is not a dream scenario for him. He was in a bad situation and didn't survive it. We've seen Tony torch plenty of bigs like that. I don't hold that so much against Green. Perimeter defense was going to always be his weakness. This is not surprising. There are not a lot of 6'11" perimeter defenders. Much less million dollar ones. His interior defense has been much better than everyone originally suggested. Everyone harped on his weight.

If you take note of all of the criticisms of him this season, thus far, very few issues are being made of his weight. He is holding his own in the paint pretty well. Not great, but acceptable, and already much better than detractors said he would be able to.

Also, some of his other contributions have been adequate (I did not say great, or even good, just good enough) enough that if his shooting had been up to par or better, some of his short-comings would be mitigated. His inability to shoot the ball has put a magnifying glass on his every other flaw, and has even caused observers to dismiss his contributions.

One cannot make fun of his foot speed and getting burned by a smaller, quicker player, and at the same time dismiss his blocks, steals, altered shots, and rebounds as just a function of him being a "tall" small forward. Those strengths and weaknesses go hand in hand. It would be like making fun of Tony for being quick, because, you know, 6' guards are supposed to be quick.

The good news is, he can almost immediately start being a net positive by simply knocking down his jumper. And, as a shooter, that could as easily begin in the next game as it could not.

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Originally Posted by jeebus

Get him for the minimum, why not?

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p2e7or3

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Originally Posted by Splits

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p2e7or3

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Waive those two, then resign for the minimum, why not?

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Originally Posted by jeebus

Waive those two, then resign for the minimum, why not?

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Im with chu, vet minimum

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Originally Posted by ElNono

He may be missing his chance, agreed. But, The Spurs are very patient with projects. Green is shooting worse than ever. The question is, is that the new normal? Or, would you expect him to at the least revert back to the mean? Any player, at his age, I would expect them to revert back to the mean. It would be bizarre to think their shooting ability regresses this much in their "prime" and stays there. Danny Green 18 missed in a row from the arc. Belli started off 0/11 from the arc in the preseason. Still isn't shooting well. Was 0/2 last night. Kyle is 0/5. Kawhi is shooting .229 from 3. Team 3% is ticking up. It was down 8% from last year, but is now down only 4%. Much better, but still indicative of how pervasive the problem has been. It's not just Green.

Also, I wonder if Chip's tutelage has anything to do with getting in the their heads, if their working on form more aggressively in the beginning of the season, have they also been tweaking Green's form, or he's just wilting under the pressure of trying to earn a spot? Whatever the case, it has manifested in some real ugliness. I also wonder to what extent Pop has given him the green light to press shots, or shoot himself out of it, etc. I would like to be a fly on the wall to the psychology, there. I do seem to see the team passing more to him, as his slump continues. He may be lighting it up in practice for all we know. They still seem to believe he can knock it down. Even though he isn't.

It has been painful to watch his early shooting, to be sure. And, the team's in general. I wish he would pass on some of his ill-chosen 2-point attempts, as well. However, I doubt The Spurs are going to get rid of him this year. He has still played under 250 minutes of game-time as a Spur. I still don't feel like this is as much time as others seem to pretend it is. I think The Spurs will continue to give him opportunities and coach him up, and see what they've got at the end of the year. If he has made no improvement by March or April, then it will not be a surprise if Bertans gets his spot, or LJC, or any other project, next season. I just don't see The Spurs being as critical of their investment this early in the renovation.

Exstatic is right that he is in a precarious position, but his position has always been precarious since the day he arrived. I believe some even thought he would be waived after the De Colo trade, before the end of the regular season. Many believed that he would surely not have his $750,000 option for this year picked up by The Spurs. They were all wrong. Then there are the ones that floated multiple scenarios where The Spurs would cut him, eat whatever portion of his contract they must and open a roster spot for their veteran that wouldn't come here or their prospect de jour. That didn't happen either. Now, after a shooting start well below his average, the same group of people is saying that Green's days are numbered and he is playing himself out of the league, etc. He might be. But he's already done enough to make all of those other predictions wrong, thus far, and unless someone spectacular comes available, or we have serious injury issues, Green will continue to get an opportunity throughout the rest of the season.

He probably misunderstood where he was supposed to be positioned with Tony on one play. That turnover may have been on him, mostly, not Tony. The pass into the corner he fumbled was just a bad pass. Those things are fixed over time. No biggie. Most of these guys have played together for years and years. Even our "young" Danny Green has been in the system for 4-5 freakin' years now, I believe. Some familiarity and calm comes with that kind of tenure.

Green got burned a few times on defense last night. One time on a switch he ended up guarding Williams out at the top of the key. Green should not be guarding Williams near the top of the key. I don't expect him to do really well in those situations. Guarding a guard is not a dream scenario for him. He was in a bad situation and didn't survive it. We've seen Tony torch plenty of bigs like that. I don't hold that so much against Green. Perimeter defense was going to always be his weakness. This is not surprising. There are not a lot of 6'11" perimeter defenders. Much less million dollar ones. His interior defense has been much better than everyone originally suggested. Everyone harped on his weight.

If you take note of all of the criticisms of him this season, thus far, very few issues are being made of his weight. He is holding his own in the paint pretty well. Not great, but acceptable, and already much better than detractors said he would be able to.

Also, some of his other contributions have been adequate (I did not say great, or even good, just good enough) enough that if his shooting had been up to par or better, some of his short-comings would be mitigated. His inability to shoot the ball has put a magnifying glass on his every other flaw, and has even caused observers to dismiss his contributions.

One cannot make fun of his foot speed and getting burned by a smaller, quicker player, and at the same time dismiss his blocks, steals, altered shots, and rebounds as just a function of him being a "tall" small forward. Those strengths and weaknesses go hand in hand. It would be like making fun of Tony for being quick, because, you know, 6' guards are supposed to be quick.

The good news is, he can almost immediately start being a net positive by simply knocking down his jumper. And, as a shooter, that could as easily begin in the next game as it could not.

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temovp throwback?

Will Ron Jeremy allow that trade?

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temovp throwback?

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http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...18#post7690318

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Originally Posted by ElNono

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...18#post7690318

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:lol

I remember seeing that take in the Austin Daye thread and scrolling past it thinking..."why the fuck would anyone read this?"

Well played.:lol

Jumps too high. Pop will cut soon.

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Is Daye down in Austin right now?

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Daye is history. We had the maximum of 15 players on SA's roster. To sign JaMychal, someone had to be waived, and that was Daye.

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I remember seeing that take in the Austin Daye thread and scrolling past it thinking..."why the fuck would anyone read this?"

Well played.:lol

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:lol still haven't read it. I did a search & replace and pasted it.

He played just 4 minutes of garbage time and he barely touched the ball. Chill. :lol

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mah frijolero :tu

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Si.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...18#post7690318

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I wasn't entirely sure, but I thought "how can somebody have this wall o' text to say about the guy based on 4 minutes of action?" so I assumed it was a joke and didn't read it.

Homeless shelter is too rough. Maybe something more mobile like kiosk would be appropriate.

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Dude plays three minutes in a four-center lineup and spurfan criticizes.

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He's a SF on the Spurs.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p2e7or3

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Spurs wouldn't do it tbh

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He's a SF on the Spurs.

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He was an SG in that lineup if you want to be technical about it.

That PT meant nothing.

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He was an SG in that lineup if you want to be technical about it.

That PT meant nothing.

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Clearly it showed that he isn't an NBA caliber player. Good thing we only signed him to a 10 day contract

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Clearly it showed that he isn't an NBA caliber player.

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Didn't show anything.

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Good thing we only signed him to a 10 day contract

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Why did you sign him in the first place?

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He may be missing his chance, agreed. But, The Spurs are very patient with projects. Green is shooting worse than ever. The question is, is that the new normal? Or, would you expect him to at the least revert back to the mean? Any player, at his age, I would expect them to revert back to the mean. It would be bizarre to think their shooting ability regresses this much in their "prime" and stays there. Danny Green 18 missed in a row from the arc. Belli started off 0/11 from the arc in the preseason. Still isn't shooting well. Was 0/2 last night. Kyle is 0/5. Kawhi is shooting .229 from 3. Team 3% is ticking up. It was down 8% from last year, but is now down only 4%. Much better, but still indicative of how pervasive the problem has been. It's not just Green.

Also, I wonder if Chip's tutelage has anything to do with getting in the their heads, if their working on form more aggressively in the beginning of the season, have they also been tweaking Green's form, or he's just wilting under the pressure of trying to earn a spot? Whatever the case, it has manifested in some real ugliness. I also wonder to what extent Pop has given him the green light to press shots, or shoot himself out of it, etc. I would like to be a fly on the wall to the psychology, there. I do seem to see the team passing more to him, as his slump continues. He may be lighting it up in practice for all we know. They still seem to believe he can knock it down. Even though he isn't.

It has been painful to watch his early shooting, to be sure. And, the team's in general. I wish he would pass on some of his ill-chosen 2-point attempts, as well. However, I doubt The Spurs are going to get rid of him this year. He has still played under 250 minutes of game-time as a Spur. I still don't feel like this is as much time as others seem to pretend it is. I think The Spurs will continue to give him opportunities and coach him up, and see what they've got at the end of the year. If he has made no improvement by March or April, then it will not be a surprise if Bertans gets his spot, or LJC, or any other project, next season. I just don't see The Spurs being as critical of their investment this early in the renovation.

Exstatic is right that he is in a precarious position, but his position has always been precarious since the day he arrived. I believe some even thought he would be waived after the De Colo trade, before the end of the regular season. Many believed that he would surely not have his $750,000 option for this year picked up by The Spurs. They were all wrong. Then there are the ones that floated multiple scenarios where The Spurs would cut him, eat whatever portion of his contract they must and open a roster spot for their veteran that wouldn't come here or their prospect de jour. That didn't happen either. Now, after a shooting start well below his average, the same group of people is saying that Green's days are numbered and he is playing himself out of the league, etc. He might be. But he's already done enough to make all of those other predictions wrong, thus far, and unless someone spectacular comes available, or we have serious injury issues, Green will continue to get an opportunity throughout the rest of the season.

He probably misunderstood where he was supposed to be positioned with Tony on one play. That turnover may have been on him, mostly, not Tony. The pass into the corner he fumbled was just a bad pass. Those things are fixed over time. No biggie. Most of these guys have played together for years and years. Even our "young" Danny Green has been in the system for 4-5 freakin' years now, I believe. Some familiarity and calm comes with that kind of tenure.

Green got burned a few times on defense last night. One time on a switch he ended up guarding Williams out at the top of the key. Green should not be guarding Williams near the top of the key. I don't expect him to do really well in those situations. Guarding a guard is not a dream scenario for him. He was in a bad situation and didn't survive it. We've seen Tony torch plenty of bigs like that. I don't hold that so much against Green. Perimeter defense was going to always be his weakness. This is not surprising. There are not a lot of 6'11" perimeter defenders. Much less million dollar ones. His interior defense has been much better than everyone originally suggested. Everyone harped on his weight.

If you take note of all of the criticisms of him this season, thus far, very few issues are being made of his weight. He is holding his own in the paint pretty well. Not great, but acceptable, and already much better than detractors said he would be able to.

Also, some of his other contributions have been adequate (I did not say great, or even good, just good enough) enough that if his shooting had been up to par or better, some of his short-comings would be mitigated. His inability to shoot the ball has put a magnifying glass on his every other flaw, and has even caused observers to dismiss his contributions.

One cannot make fun of his foot speed and getting burned by a smaller, quicker player, and at the same time dismiss his blocks, steals, altered shots, and rebounds as just a function of him being a "tall" small forward. Those strengths and weaknesses go hand in hand. It would be like making fun of Tony for being quick, because, you know, 6' guards are supposed to be quick.

The good news is, he can almost immediately start being a net positive by simply knocking down his jumper. And, as a shooter, that could as easily begin in the next game as it could not.

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He's a SF on the Spurs.

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It would be a blessing if he could play the SF.

http://www.nba.com/spurs/meet-jamychal-green

He spent the summer working with Engelland to improve his shooting, and said he reformed most of his motion from the way he held the ball, the way he used his guide hand and the way he spread his fingers while shooting.

Green has made 57.7 percent of field goals (179 of 310) this season in Austin.

“There were a lot of little things that led to a lot of major changes,” Green said. “Chip was working with me for the entire summer and the results are starting to show. I’m starting to knock down shots and I’m shooting confidently. I thank Chip for everything.”


- Well, if Chip is willing to work a dirt poor player into improving his shot, then this is obviously worth it. Nobody knows shooting mechanics like Chip.

Here's what Pop had to say:

“He's a real active kid, long, a good athlete, and pretty tough minded,” coach Gregg Popovich said.

Not attributes (other than long) I'll find in Austin Daye who got cut.

Logical conclusion is Green can fill Ayers slot, and Ayers salary can go to find that elusive backup SF. I would not surprised if Joseph is added to a deal to sweeten the pot.

Amazing how quickly ST gives up on players :lol I can' t judge a dude based on garbage minutes. I'd like to see Pop throw him in the fire during a close game.

:lol anyone thinking J. Green won't become the next NBA superstar

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Logical conclusion is Green can fill Ayers slot, and Ayers salary can go to find that elusive backup SF. I would not surprised if Joseph is added to a deal to sweeten the pot.

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Now we're cooking. Someone start up a small fire to keep this homeless shelter warm!

one game and people already complaining lol

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He ball watches too much on offense.

He either needs to get back and prevent transition or crash the boards and help with the rebound. He just stands in the corner and waits

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I noticed this too...very disappointing...

Welp, wonder who they'll try out next?

:lmao yet Errors is still on the team

Metta Panda Incomingggggggggggggggggggg

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Welp, wonder who they'll try out next?

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Hopefully Franklin. Wasn't remotely impressed with Green. Would rather have kept Daye for a trade.

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Hopefully Franklin. Wasn't remotely impressed with Green. Would rather have kept Daye for a trade.

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I thought it was worth a try; the Spurs seem to have a good grasp on what their weaknesses are, or at least what most people have agreed on here (backup 3/small ball 4/anyone with athleticism), and Green was a possibility to fill all three issues. Wouldn't mind seeing them give Franklin a shot, but I'd also be fine if they went after Ray Allen too (clutch FT shooter).

How many guys, including well=tested and proven veterans like Bones, have come into the Spurs and not played too well during their first year, much less their first couple of games. I don't know if Green can make it at this level, but its natural for him to have a little 'buck fever' when joining a championship roster. Give him a chance.

Interesting that they "couldn't come to terms". Green likely wanted a guarantee into next season and the Spurs may have only been willing to offer another 10-day or a guarantee through this season.

Maybe he'll be suited up in MSG tomorrow night against the Thunder.

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Interesting that they "couldn't come to terms". Green likely wanted a guarantee into next season and the Spurs may have only been willing to offer another 10-day or a guarantee through this season.

Maybe he'll be suited up in MSG tomorrow night against the Thunder.

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It had to be more about the money. He can definitely get a deal elsewhere. Not for much, but at least guaranteed.

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Interesting . . .

Is it too late to bring Daye back? :lol

Now he really is homeless; this thread's title fits even better.

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Pop probably gave Ayres the speech of how Bonner may retire soon and he needs a new favorite on the bench.

http://projectspurs.com/2015-article...hal-green.html

I wonder why they signed him? I'm starting to think some of these 10 day contracts are being given out just to reward guys that have been playing well in the D league...

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project sperm a day behind. that website is pure garbage.

i don't know why it's so hard for the spurs to see. J Green is a young fella with a real spark. The role he would fill should almost never play. Let the kid sit on the bench for the rest of the season, bring back Anderson, let Anderson and Green duke it out for garbage 3/4. Cut Ayers. I just don't understand what the heck they're doing. This Williams guy can shoot? Pop and his floor spacing bums.

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I wonder why they signed him? I'm starting to think some of these 10 day contracts are being given out just to reward guys that have been playing well in the D league...

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Sometimes you just need a warm body to practice against.

SHUT DOWN THIS HOMELESS SHELTER MISTER PRESIDENT!

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Sometimes you just need a warm body to practice against.

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i don't know why it's so hard for the spurs to see. J Green is a young fella with a real spark. The role he would fill should almost never play. Let the kid sit on the bench for the rest of the season, bring back Anderson, let Anderson and Green duke it out for garbage 3/4. Cut Ayers. I just don't understand what the heck they're doing. This Williams guy can shoot? Pop and his floor spacing bums.

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I was listening to 1250 AM yesterday and the show host said that the rumor he was getting was that the Spurs wanted to sign him to a 2nd 10-day contract, but that they couldn't come to terms with his agent.

Austin hasn't filled his roster spot yet, though there is really no rush to do so.

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I was listening to 1250 AM yesterday and the show host said that the rumor he was getting was that the Spurs wanted to sign him to a 2nd 10-day contract, but that they couldn't come to terms with his agent.

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They're almost always signed for the minimum salary so Green needs to fire his agent.


BURN THIS SHELTER DOWN!