Jamychal Green is a PF. Half our roster occupies 2 positions.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

What does last season have to do with this one? And just because it all worked out in the end, it doesn't mean they did everything right.

The back end of last season's roster never made any sense, championship or not.

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So you didn't think last season's roster made any sense at all and the Spurs still won a championship in dominating fashion in spite of your protest and judgment.

This is why I am OK with it.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

So you didn't think last season's roster made any sense at all and the Spurs still won a championship in dominating fashion in spite of your protest and judgment.

This is why I am OK with it.

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Your lack of basic reading comprehension never seizes to amaze, nor your bizarre obsession with apologizing for the front office.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

Your lack of basic reading comprehension never seizes to amaze

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You said it didn't make sense. Don't get pissy about it now.

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nor your bizarre obsession with apologizing for the front office.

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I just know they are better at basketball than you.

What a truly black name

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

You said it didn't make sense. Don't get pissy about it now.I just know they are better at basketball than you.

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Yeah, the back end of the roster, genius.

So they never do anything that doesn't make sense?

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Originally Posted by TD 21

Yeah, the back end of the roster, genius.

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Exactly, genius.

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So they never do anything that doesn't make sense?

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I doubt they post double negatives. Those tend to confuse meaning.

In a pinch, Manu is the back up SF: http://www.82games.com/1415/14SAS5.HTM

And so is Diaw: http://www.82games.com/1415/14SAS9.HTM

Both of them are better now than Tayshaun Prince or Francisco Garcia, so there you have it.

When Marco returns, they have three options. I think they're good.

Danny Green also often guards small forwards: http://www.82games.com/1415/14SAS6.HTM

That's four options after Kawhi, the best option at the position.

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Originally Posted by Raven

not surprised, Daye is the far better player.

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Good GOD that is not saying much them. Daye being far better than anyone means you pretty much are a grade A scrub.

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Originally Posted by Sean Cagney

Good GOD that is not saying much them. Daye being far better than anyone means you pretty much are a grade A scrub.

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meh, he is also a far better fit, i mean green's best quality is his athleticism, but we never go for offensive boards anyway and we have no use for an undersized pf imo.

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Originally Posted by Raven

meh, he is also a far better fit, i mean green's best quality is his athleticism, but we never go for offensive boards anyway and we have no use for an undersized pf imo.

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Neither one was going to make a difference or get minutes in the playoffs so it's a wash IMO. I agree with you though on the second part.

I hope the Spurs are aware of this conundrum

Fortunately, they are the only ones who can do anything about it

Belinelli is the minutes eater, and if NEED be, we have Kyle Anderson, I'm not concerned at all about this, and for the life of me, I cant see why you guys are either.

This is why cutting daye instead of ayers was so perplexing.

Parker/cojo/mills
Green/manu/beli
Kawhi/daye
Diaw/anderson/green/ayers
Timmy/tiago/baynes/ayers

Daye or ayers?
Niether, Glen Rice Jr!

Ayres and J.Green bring the same skill sets to the table. Ayres though can't shoot a mid range jumper, he was expected to be able to do but that has been proven to be a false assumption. He knows the offense much better.

Green has more talent. It is going to take more than 2 10 day contracts to incorporate Green in the offense. There's just no time for him to also figure out how the offense works.

Based on his twitter posts, he sounds like a humble guy with daily concerns quite different from the more flashy Austin Daye.

Guys like Anderson, Cojo and Green hanged out with Daye due to similarities in background. J.Green comes from a dirt poor background, and I don't know exactly how he fits with any other Spurs player.

So lots of questions that'll take more than 20 days to figure out.

He was signed probably to have an extra body to guard bigger athletic players. Without Leonard on the floor, there's just not enough size and quickness at the SF.

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This is why cutting daye instead of ayers was so perplexing.

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Has to do with money. Baynes provides the same role a Ayres, just bigger and more intimidating.

Who knows, Spurs might just dump Ayres for Bryce Cotton. Yes, another guard, but at this end of the bench, it is all projects. Besides, the Spurs have Bertrans and Livo as potential SF players.

You know what's funny? Ayres has been an ORtg/DRtg monster for most of his career! This year, He's at 117/102. In theory-- especially to advanced metrics followers-- he's the perfect bench player. Interestingly though, no one at Spurstalk who uses any statistical argument in the ever ongoing Parker/Manu/Mills/Cojo/Belinelli debate ever chooses to bring up Aryes' glittering numbers here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...pendeje02.html

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

If Kawhi isn't healthy it won't matter.

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Exactly. Do you remember the minutes Tim played when he was young. Compared to that Kawhi is getting tons of rest.

Does anyone remember Boris Diaw guarding LeBron for limited stretches in the finals? It was an unconventional experiment that worked relatively well. Boris is an unconventional player, so I think it's wrong to categorize him strictly as a "big." And I think the SG and SF positions have in some ways melted together into the Swing position. Looking at it this way, the Spurs have 7 guys capable of filling the slot: Kawhi, Manu, D. Green, Marco, Boris, Anderson, and now J. Green.

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You know what's funny? Ayres has been an ORtg/DRtg monster for most of his career! This year, He's at 117/102. In theory-- especially to advanced metrics followers-- he's the perfect bench player. Interestingly though, no one at Spurstalk who uses any statistical argument in the ever ongoing Parker/Manu/Mills/Cojo/Belinelli debate ever chooses to bring up Aryes' glittering numbers here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...pendeje02.html

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He does have surprisingly good Ortg/Drtg and it has been fairly consistent throughout his career. That being said it is a rather small sample size in comparison to other players, for instance this season he and Patty have played about the same number of minutes (despite Patty missing the first 2 months), and Patty has 3500 career minutes with one additional year in the league vs 2000 for Ayres. Its also telling that Ayres has a negative real plus-minus which shows that his metrics aren't fully translating onto the court.

That being said, the biggest argument against Ayres (like bonner before him) is that he doesn't pass the eye test. Its hard to overcome perception when it continually slaps you in the face as it babbles the ball during a wide open layup.

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He does have surprisingly good Ortg/Drtg and it has been fairly consistent throughout his career. That being said it is a rather small sample size in comparison to other players, for instance this season he and Patty have played about the same number of minutes (despite Patty missing the first 2 months), and Patty has 3500 career minutes with one additional year in the league vs 2000 for Ayres. Its also telling that Ayres has a negative real plus-minus which shows that his metrics aren't fully translating onto the court.

That being said, the biggest argument against Ayres (like bonner before him) is that he doesn't pass the eye test. Its hard to overcome perception when it continually slaps you in the face as it babbles the ball during a wide open layup.

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You use a word and a phrase that I think are very insightful. My contention for a long time has been that stats are not "facts" that show a player's usefulness, but "translations" of his usefulness. Translations have a good correlation to the facts, but there are almost always glitches & blind spots in them. They're a means to an end, but not an end in themselves. One proof of this for me is the fact that most advanced metrics people no longer regard FG% as very important, and definitely less important than TS%. But FG% is a stat. So advanced metrics people are saying some stats are not necessarily accurate...

The eye test thing is what I would use in favor of Parker at PG: last year, his advanced metrics were not too impressive, but the Spurs finished with the best record in the NBA and the Championship trophy. The eye test says the Spurs were a pretty successful unit with Parker as a starter and Mills off the bench.

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You use a word and a phrase that I think are very insightful. My contention for a long time has been that stats are not "facts" that show a player's usefulness, but "translations" of his usefulness. Translations have a good correlation to the facts, but there are almost always glitches & blind spots in them. They're a means to an end, but not an end in themselves. One proof of this for me is the fact that most advanced metrics people no longer regard FG% as very important, and definitely less important than TS%. But FG% is a stat. So advanced metrics people are saying some stats are not necessarily accurate...

The eye test thing is what I would use in favor of Parker at PG: last year, his advanced metrics were not too impressive, but the Spurs finished with the best record in the NBA and the Championship trophy. The eye test says the Spurs were a pretty successful unit with Parker as a starter and Mills off the bench.

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There's a big difference in the accuracy of the stats when you compare someone like Parker who plays a lot of minutes and Ayres who plays sparingly. I wouldn't have too much confidence in the stats for Ayres, he barely plays and when he does, a lot of time its garbage time against inferior opponents. End of bench players are evaluated more on how they play in practice rather than the limited time they are on the court. There just isn't enough sample points in game-time situation for guys like Ayres.

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There's a big difference in the accuracy of the stats when you compare someone like Parker who plays a lot of minutes and Ayres who plays sparingly. I wouldn't have too much confidence in the stats for Ayres, he barely plays and when he does, a lot of time its garbage time against inferior opponents. End of bench players are evaluated more on how they play in practice rather than the limited time they are on the court. There just isn't enough sample points in game-time situation for guys like Ayres.

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But I think the same can be said of a comparison between Parker's stats and Patty's stats. The temptation is to say they are both listed as PGs, so their stats can be put side by side and evaluated... I don't think this is true. For example, if you compare the stat of turnovers between the two, you might say that Tony is more turnover prone because his TO per 36 min & TO per 100 possessions are higher than Mills's. But Tony always plays PG when he's on the floor and almost always brings the ball up. Mills is usually paired with Manu, who more often than not is handling the typical PG responsibilities, and as a result has an even higher turnover rate than either Tony or Patty. In addition to that, Parker is often paired with Danny Green, who's the least talented ball handler of the four players mentioned. So a straight up comparison of turnovers between Parker and Mills using the stats isn't really relevant. If you paired Mills exclusively with Green, his turnovers would most likely skyrocket. That's where stats get misused or misinterpreted. The impact of who you're on the court with exerts an unreasonable influence on some advanced stats. Kevin Love is a good example: last year, his ORtg/DRtg was 120/104. This year, with totally different teammates, it's 114/107. His VORP last year was 7.0-- this year it's 2.2. Kevin Love hasn't changed in any significant way. What has changed is what's around him.

We didn't start winning anything till we got a starting quality SF. SF is one of the most important positions.

Holy shit, this is super scary. How could Pop make such an obvious mistake. Does anybody have his number? We should text him ASAP