Zach Lowe: League executives believe Spurs may offer max to LaMarcus Aldridge

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Originally Posted by jeebus

If we can get him for the minimum, why not?

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:lol

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Originally Posted by DrunkTXLabrat

I really hope the spurs promote and look for a young bargain with real potential. I don't want Aldridge, Gasol, Millsap, or any of the big name unrestricted guys. these guys are going to be crazy expensive, wine dine and ditch for the bright lights types, who are on the wrong side of late 20's with lame playoff careers anyway. Draymond, Tristan Thompson, Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Faried, Kantor, Jeff Taylor, Telotovic are going to be afterthoughts so i'm sure they'd be loyal to anybody who makes them a priority, work hard. They're going to be less expensive than the big name unrestricted, discount. They're being restricted makes it so that if you lose out on signing them at least their team has to pay a little heavier for them, slyly defensive. They're younger, with more potential, coach-able. high reward low risk, if boom than you win and if bust than you can trade for at least a little something.

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Draymond- will get the max or very close to it
Thompson- turned down a 4yr/52M extension
Jackson- will get in excess of 4/50
Butler- will get the max or very close to it
Faried- already signed an extension last summer
Teletovic- will turn 30 before next season begins
Taylor- guilty of domestic violence
Kantor- will be pricy as an RFA, but might actually be a possible target

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Originally Posted by Richie

I completely agree, if Duncan and Manu want to come back then fantastic. I'm taking an extra year of Duncan over any free agent.

However, you're crazy if you think Minnesota are trading LaVine or any of those power forwards listed are better than Aldridge. Draymond Green will probably get a max offer and Tristan Thompson reportedly refused a $12m extension from the Cavs already, and neither are close to Aldridge. The dude scored 40+ in 2 straight playoff games last year.

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if the spurs offer'd cojo and a 16 1st, minny would be insane to pass that up. of course spurs talk posters would cry a mississippi river while i danced in the dingy. and i'm not saying aldridge is worse than draymond and thompson, although i personally don't like him as much. but i am saying they have a better shot at actually signing here and being here, and we'd be better for it. reggie jackson too. imagine Parker, Jackson, Lavine!

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Originally Posted by jeebus

If we can get him for the minimum, why not?

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:lol

Of course the Spurs will make a max offer to him. But no way he leaves when he has a nice supporting cast and will make more money in Portland. And leaving a team with Lillard hitting his prime? Not seeing it. I think Gasol is a much better shot (though still very unlikely) since Z-Bo has been regressing pretty steadily since 2011.

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

Almost always. Howard and Gasol both had better offers from the Lakers, but they were both leaving a losing organization. Aldridge, M.Gasol, and Millsap have no reason to leave money on the table to get away from their current teams.

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True, amazingly, for the Lakers. In fairness, though, Howard did go according to plan on whining to get out of Orlando before his contract was up. He wanted to go to the Nets, but ended up getting traded to the Lakers, who didn't have a guarantee that he would re-sign but clearly assumed that because they were the Lakers and could pay him the most, that he would re-sign with them. Amazingly, he did not. But that just goes to show what playing with Kobe can do to you. What will be interesting is to see what happens with Kevin Love as he is in the same kind of situation as Howard.

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

Draymond- will get the max or very close to it fine, do it RC... hell, top it.
Thompson- turned down a 4yr/52M extension awesome, but i'm talking trade cojo anyway so not ideal
Jackson- will get in excess of 4/50 fine, do it RC... hell, top it RC
Butler- will get the max or very close to it don't really want him anyway, but i'm just throwing out more appealing free agents than the big names
Faried- already signed an extension last summer oops, straight up.
Teletovic- will turn 30 before next season begins oops, again. but he's still a bargain and bidding war is still defense
Taylor- guilty of domestic violence i don't care, but i see your point. bargain.
Kantor- will be pricy as an RFA, but might actually be a possible target hell yeah, if draymond attempt failed

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Originally Posted by cd98

True, amazingly, for the Lakers. In fairness, though, Howard did go according to plan on whining to get out of Orlando before his contract was up. He wanted to go to the Nets, but ended up getting traded to the Lakers, who didn't have a guarantee that he would re-sign but clearly assumed that because they were the Lakers and could pay him the most, that he would re-sign with them. Amazingly, he did not. But that just goes to show what playing with Kobe can do to you. What will be interesting is to see what happens with Kevin Love as he is in the same kind of situation as Howard.

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If things go badly and they make him a scapegoat, he could very well leave. The Cavs have a lot riding on the second half of the season and the playoffs.

Great fit with Tiago, almost unstoppable in the offense but soft, soon to be declining (29), average/weak defender. Not Worth big sacrifices tbh.

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Originally Posted by cd98

True, amazingly, for the Lakers. In fairness, though, Howard did go according to plan on whining to get out of Orlando before his contract was up. He wanted to go to the Nets, but ended up getting traded to the Lakers, who didn't have a guarantee that he would re-sign but clearly assumed that because they were the Lakers and could pay him the most, that he would re-sign with them. Amazingly, he did not. But that just goes to show what playing with Kobe can do to you. What will be interesting is to see what happens with Kevin Love as he is in the same kind of situation as Howard.

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He'll pull the reverse Howard and go to the Lakers

The Spurs have realistically two options next year tbh:

1) Convince Manu/Tim to come back for 7.

2) have a 6-8 seed ceiling with about 20 threads a day complaining TP is holding the team back from a Top 3 seed.

If the Spurs win the 2015 championship, and Duncan and Manu retire (which I consider likely in this event), do they have the cap space to sign a max contract free agent, give Kawhi his max and bring back the rest of band (Green and anyone else)?

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Originally Posted by Perry Mason

If the Spurs win the 2015 championship, and Duncan and Manu retire (which I consider likely in this event), do they have the cap space to sign a max contract free agent, give Kawhi his max and bring back the rest of band (Green and anyone else)?

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See the discussion earlier in this thread. The short answer is that they would have to offload some salary commitments in order to create a max salary slot, based upon current estimates for the 2015-16 salary cap.

If Manu and Tim retire, this team isn't good enough for a title. We would have to rebuild and trading assets for a franchise player is a good deal. Players like DG and Mills won't be the same because their roles would be totally different.

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Originally Posted by Perry Mason

If the Spurs win the 2015 championship, and Duncan and Manu retire (which I consider likely in this event), do they have the cap space to sign a max contract free agent, give Kawhi his max and bring back the rest of band (Green and anyone else)?

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Mills or Splitter would have to go and Danny and Kawhi would have to be patient

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Originally Posted by Cklbmk

Mills or Splitter would have to go and Danny and Kawhi would have to be patient

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Without Spitter and Mills, the Spurs will be worse than Grizzles or Portland.

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Originally Posted by PingPong

Without Spitter and Mills, the Spurs will be worse than Grizzles or Portland.

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This year. Not in the next couple years. Splitter is declining.

If the league decides to "smooth" the anticipated cap jump from 2015 to 2016, could the cap this summer be somewhat higher than we expect? This would affect the amount of Kawhi's max deal but also the amount of cap space the Spurs would have.

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Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB

If Manu and Tim retire, this team isn't good enough for a title. We would have to rebuild and trading assets for a franchise player is a good deal. Players like DG and Mills won't be the same because their roles would be totally different.

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Bud just showing the world you don't need manu and tim to compete. Just wait till he gets to the finals for nonbelievers.
The spurs don't rebuild. They repair.

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Originally Posted by dabom

Bud just showing the world you don't need manu and tim to compete. Just wait till he gets to the finals for nonbelievers.
The spurs don't rebuild. They repair.

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Who exactly do you rely on to take their roles? Splitter for Duncan and 35 year old Diaw for Manu?

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Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB

Who exactly do you rely on to take their roles? Splitter for Duncan and 35 year old Diaw for Manu?

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You understand when players retire we have cap space right?
And before you start asking which are this players that will join, that's up to the best FO in the league to decide.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Obviously, if the Spurs' core comes back for the minimum, then the roster would not be gutted. But that's not practical. Nor is it good GMing.

At best, it would be Parker, Green, Kawhi, Aldridge, Splitter as starters with Anderson, Bertans and Diaw as the bench. Probably the worst roster the Spurs have had since 2010. Any use of cap space must involve them also having players on cheap rookie deals.

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At best? What you're suggesting is the worst case scenario. You are also completely misusing the term 'core'. Our 1-7 is the core, players like Baynes, Belinelli and Bonner are not our core, even Mills and Joseph are easily replaceable as they play the deepest position in basketball right now. Look at what Chicago has consistenly done with Nate Robinson, DJ Augustin, Aaron Brookes etc...

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Originally Posted by Chinook

It's not about letting Leonard walk. It's about him signing an unideal contract (like the one Parsons signed). And losing Green for nothing would be a real possiblity. Also, committing and signing aren't the same thing. Korver committed to the Spurs until his wife told him no. When you're talking about stars leaving their draft teams, there's no such thing as committment until a signature is on the paper. And the trades/cuts have to be made before that happens.

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The trade/cuts happen literally while he's in the room with a pen in his hand. Korver actually did sign for the Spurs, we could have forced him to come but we accepted his change of heart for family reasons.

Losing Green for nothing is not a possibility unless we choose to let him go. As long as the Front Office goes in to the summer with the mentality that we don't lose either Kawhi or Green (unless someone throws something silly at him) then we won't lose them. Houston chose to let Parsons go before Bosh had signed, they didn't have to do that.

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Originally Posted by testies

nooooo

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Unibrow yes.

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Originally Posted by Richie

At best? What you're suggesting is the worst case scenario. You are also completely misusing the term 'core'. Our 1-7 is the core, players like Baynes, Belinelli and Bonner are not our core, even Mills and Joseph are easily replaceable as they play the deepest position in basketball right now. Look at what Chicago has consistenly done with Nate Robinson, DJ Augustin, Aaron Brookes etc...



The trade/cuts happen literally while he's in the room with a pen in his hand. Korver actually did sign for the Spurs, we could have forced him to come but we accepted his change of heart for family reasons.

Losing Green for nothing is not a possibility unless we choose to let him go. As long as the Front Office goes in to the summer with the mentality that we don't lose either Kawhi or Green (unless someone throws something silly at him) then we won't lose them. Houston chose to let Parsons go before Bosh had signed, they didn't have to do that.

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That's not even close to the worst-case scenario. Despite your statements, Green is a UFA an can leave any time he wants. Leonard can sign a short offer sheet unless the Spurs give him a max QO, but then that destroys their cap space.

If you want the Spurs to be Chicago, that's fine. I'd rather them be better than a bunch of overworked try-hards who get overrated every season.

CHINOOK how would we be able to sign LA to a max deal when we have to sign Kawhi to a deal (probably max as well) also???