Larry Sanders to be Bought Out...Would the Spurs touch this talented/flawed player?

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Read the post again and see if you can identify the adjective 'drug.' Then try your response again, dimwit. I know it's difficult because drug is normally a noun and this time it's used as an addjective but most grade school kids have no issue so what is your problem?

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I'm opening this post up to the floor. Anyone care to tell me where Fuzz is going here? dabom ? You and I have had our differences, so perhaps you can give an objective opinion on this.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I'm opening this post up to the floor. Anyone care to tell me where Fuzz is going here? dabom ? You and I have had our differences, so perhaps you can give an objective opinion on this.

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At least this is new. I am guessing you jsut don't want to spam the main board because it's likely in the current climate to be moderated but typically you go for the spread spam shrill routine when you have no leg to stand on.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

The point is that you did not foresee his drug problem and are nothing more than the proverbial blind dog finding a bone. Now you act like an adolescent who 'won' something.

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I would like to go further though. Splitter > Sanders doesn't really say much at all. Sanders cannot counted on to play because of how many strikes he has against him. Congratulations on being SO RIGHT!!

Splitter still missed the first couple of months of the season again because of an injury. This is a trend that started when he first came into the league. He has never managed 25 mpg even ages 25-28. Now that he is 30?

Splitter's contract is only palatable because of the dearth of center talent. In and of itself, he is hurt and soft often.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

At least this is new. I am guessing you jsut don't want to spam the main board because it's likely in the current climate to be moderated but typically you go for the spread spam shrill routine when you have no leg to stand on.

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I'm being honest here, man. I literally don't know what your point was. I was saying that Sanders being an idiot druggie is not an unexpected and blameless occurrence like Tiago getting injured would be. I said Splitter was better then, and the counter argument was that Sanders would be better eventually.

But it hasn't happened that way, and not just because of Sanders' current trouble. Splitter had his biggest impact after signing the deal. You can argue he was worth his contract for last post-season alone. Sanders was a flash in the pan who clashed with teammates and coaches. Neither of those things were unpredictable.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

I would like to go further though. Splitter > Sanders doesn't really say much at all.

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The point is not that Splitter > Sander now because Sanders is a druggie. I'm not surprised you missed that.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I'm being honest here, man. I literally don't know what your point was. I was saying that Sanders being an idiot druggie is not an unexpected and blameless occurrence like Tiago getting injured would be. I said Splitter was better then, and the counter argument was that Sanders would be better eventually.

But it hasn't happened that way, and not just because of Sanders' current trouble. Splitter had his biggest impact after signing the deal. You can argue he was worth his contract for last post-season alone. Sanders was a flash in the pan who clashed with teammates and coaches. Neither of those things were unpredictable.

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You don't know where i am going yet you argue the point? Nice intellectual honesty. I was around when Splitter's status was up in the air and Sanders was one of several other possible targets. I remember the arguments even if i was somewhat ambivalent. My goal here is to judge the status of those debates and to say you aren't vindicated, chachi, especially not with Splitter not being able to play half the games or more than 20 mpg

Splitter has played one year at that 'high' level. The low usage rate is what it is especially at that age. You going to be an instant evaluator and cheer on the demise of another player you didn't predict?

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Maybe next season if he looks to be on the right path. I liked (not loved) his play when he was good, but now, it's not worth it.

:lmao to those who thought Sanders' deal was better than Splitter's.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

The point isn't that Splitter > Sanders now that Sanders is a druggie. I'm not surprised you missed that.

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What is the point then that his 'deal' was better? Splitting hairs in a dissembling manner is intellectually dishonest especially when the notions are not mutually exclusive. Sander's availability and the player's talent levels are key issues in evaluating their 'deals.'

Better start spamming.

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

:lol

We think alike. It would be fun to bump some of those posts.

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It certainly would be more fun than this circle jerk self affirmation you guys are using the same brain on.

Nullius in verba

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

What is the point then that his 'deal' was better? Splitting hairs in a dissembling manner is intellectually dishonest especially when the notions are not mutually exclusive. Sander's availability and the player's talent levels are key issues in evaluating their 'deals.'

Better start spamming.

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You apparently don't remember two off-seasons ago if you I made the initial comparisons between Tiago and Larry.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

You apparently don't remember two off-seasons ago if you I made the initial comparisons between Tiago and Larry.

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Oh so now you are going to waffle on over there. Unless you come up with something from then where you are predicting this current outcome then wgaf as for this discussion as a whole. You have already surrendered your initial callout in this thread.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Oh so now you are going to waffle on over there. Unless you come up with something from then where you are predicting this current outcome then wgaf as for this discussion as a whole. You have already surrendered your initial callout in this thread.

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Essentially, people lambasted Splitter's deal because it was almost as much as Sanders got. I was one of the people who thought the Spurs got the better deal. It's funny now to see exactly how bad it's gotten, but I was vindicated long before Sanders self-destructed this season.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Essentially, people lambasted Splitter's deal because it was almost as much as Sanders got. I was one of the people who thought the Spurs got the better deal. It's funny now to see exactly how bad it's gotten, but I was vindicated long before Sanders self-destructed this season.

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Again, please show me the post where you predicted Sanders party meltdown as the basis for said conclusion.

Sanders was over 3 years younger at age 24 and one of the best rim protectors and rebounders in the game in 2013. He didn't start getting suspended until last year and sure he imploded but you weren't predicting it. What I want to know is what your justification was back in 2013. I like Splitter but come on.

He already said he's done playing basketball. No way.

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Originally Posted by Budkin

He already said he's done playing basketball. No way.

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This.

The source of the rumors he did not want to play came from Florio's offshoot in Probasketballtalk and referenced hearsay from Bucks officials. He himself has publicly repudiated that multiple times.

I don't think we have a shot at him even if the team wanted him but I certainly would not dismiss him out of hand. Certainly not when making a decision from an obvious position of ignorance.

Do you think Sanders would admit it if he had said it to the Bucks?

There is something VERY wrong with this kid "upstairs" if they're willing to eat multiple years of 8 figures on a contract. You don't just do that in a vacuum.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Again, please show me the post where you predicted Sanders party meltdown as the basis for said conclusion.

Sanders was over 3 years younger at age 24 and one of the best rim protectors and rebounders in the game in 2013. He didn't start getting suspended until last year and sure he imploded but you weren't predicting it. What I want to know is what your justification was back in 2013. I like Splitter but come on.

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The first thing to point out is that Splitter was actually coming off a good defensive season that year as well. Sanders was a popular DPOY darkhorse, which is why people confused him for a good player in the first place. But Tiago was the Spurs' defensive MVP that year. His mobility was huge in the WCSF against GS and the WCF against Memphis (he had that awesome contest of Conley to force overtime in Game Three). Personally, I thought Tiago was a more complete defender than Sanders, who was just a shot-blocker. It wasn't really all that close on offense, in my opinion.

The whole idea of comparing Splitter's deal to Sanders' was foolish then, since they were made in two different situations. One didn't affect the other. But independent of that very obvious line of reasoning (which got pointed out a ton back then, I assure you), I felt that Splitter was just entering his prime as a big while Sanders wasn't particularly close to his. So I rejected the idea that Sanders projected to outperform Splitter over the life of his deal.

Pretty much, people thought Sanders was going to blow by Splitter due to their age difference. I thought Tiago was still going to keep getting better. The fact that Sanders is a druggie now is largely irrelevant other than it was the culmination of this attitude problems. It's just icing on the cake and something to rib people about.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...35#post6804735

Here is what I found from the Sanders/Splitter debate. I'm sure there's more in other threads, but you'll get the gist of it here.

What's with people sucking the cock of "named players" tbh? :lol Not everyone's gonna shine in another place, especially a drug addict

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Originally Posted by Chinook

The first thing to point out is that Splitter was actually coming off a good defensive season that year as well. Sanders was a popular DPOY darkhorse, which is why people confused him for a good player in the first place. But Tiago was the Spurs' defensive MVP that year. His mobility was huge in the WCSF against GS and the WCF against Memphis (he had that awesome contest of Conley to force overtime in Game Three). Personally, I thought Tiago was a more complete defender than Sanders, who was just a shot-blocker. It wasn't really all that close on offense, in my opinion.

The whole idea of comparing Splitter's deal to Sanders' was foolish then, since they were made in two different situations. One didn't affect the other. But independent of that very obvious line of reasoning (which got pointed out a ton back then, I assure you), I felt that Splitter was just entering his prime as a big while Sanders wasn't particularly close to his. So I rejected the idea that Sanders projected to outperform Splitter over the life of his deal.

Pretty much, people thought Sanders was going to blow by Splitter due to their age difference. I thought Tiago was still going to keep getting better. The fact that Sanders is a druggie now is largely irrelevant other than it was the culmination of this attitude problems. It's just icing on the cake and something to rib people about.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...35#post6804735

Here is what I found from the Sanders/Splitter debate. I'm sure there's more in other threads, but you'll get the gist of it here.

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Tiago was not in fact the defensive MVP that year for the Spurs, the league or any other place. Sander did indeed get votes for DPOY whereas Splitter got none. We can talk about the validity of the award but since you brought it up that would undermine your veracity but then again logical consistency has never been your strong suit.

Outside of a single anecdote from the the last game of the WCF, you have a bunch of emotional garbage. It's just about wothless in terms of player evaluation. His mobility was 'huge' and the true scotsman strawman of people believing he was a 'good' player. That is not analysis as much as it's bad romance fiction.

You drop completely the usage argument. You concede that Splitter is an injury risk and soft. You concede the age argument and the prospects of a 24 year old as opposed to a 28 year old.

This notion that a different starting C's deal is foolish to compare another starting C's deal is stupid and a non-starter. This is ignorant on so many levels regarding pro sports free agent markets and how contracts are actually valuated. wtf are you thinking?

You sound like a homer and little more. :lol MVP