Why would Kawhi stay here if Tim and Manu hang them up at season's end?

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Originally Posted by daslicer

He will stay simply because he's a restricted FA and the spurs will match whatever offer he gets. Pretty stupid thread this is considering this is the type of thread that should come up in 2019 when he will be an unrestricted FA.

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If he doesn't like where this team is going, he can perfectly sign the QO or a short deal and walk away a whole lot sooner than 2019. This is a decision he'll have to make this upcoming summer.

If you think he's staying, that's fine. I wouldn't doubt it.

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Originally Posted by rasuo214

Pop would be the main reason, I think Kawhi holds quite a bit of loyalty to Pop and as long as Pop is around Kawhi would stay. After that who knows, hopefully the team would have either still been successful or have rebuilt a new core.

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I actually think Pop signing that multi-year extension might have something to do with that.

How many people understand the concept of restricted FA in this thread. Kawhi pretty much has no power in this situation on whether he will leave or stay. Its all up to the spurs if they want to they will be able to match any offer and keep him. If he leaves its because the spurs didn't want to give him the max. You guys are acting like this a '00 Duncan FA situation. Like I said before the spurs will have to worry about keeping Kawhi when its time for his second contract in '19 because by then he'll be an unrestricted FA. I have never seen a team in the modern era lose there star under the restricted FA system. Can anybody name me a time it has happened?

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Originally Posted by ElNono

If he doesn't like where this team is going, he can perfectly sign the QO or a short deal and walk away a whole lot sooner than 2019. This is a decision he'll have to make this upcoming summer.

If you think he's staying, that's fine. I wouldn't doubt it.

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I see where you are coming from on the QO but then again its rare a guy signs the QO. I have yet to see it in the modern era a player pull that move. From what I have heard Kawhi's agent is hungry to get a max deal so I doubt they will wait a year to go for it. He's a young guy and like most young guys its all about the money. I could be wrong but I willing to bet he won't take the QO.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

How many people understand the concept of restricted FA in this thread. Kawhi pretty much has no power in this situation on whether he will leave or stay. Its all up to the spurs if they want to they will be able to match any offer and keep him. If he leaves its because the spurs didn't want to give him the max. You guys are acting like this a '00 Duncan FA situation. Like I said before the spurs will have to worry about keeping Kawhi when its time for his second contract in '19 because by then he'll be an unrestricted FA. I have never seen a team in the modern era lose there star under the restricted FA system. Can anybody name me a time it has happened?

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- Parsons signed a short-max deal last summer
- Greg Monroe signed the QO last summer
- Eric Bledsoe was about to sign his QO until Phoenix had to overpay for his services

That's just last summer.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

- Parsons signed a short-max deal last summer
- Greg Monroe signed the QO last summer
- Eric Bledsoe was about to sign his QO until Phoenix had to overpay for his services

That's just last summer.

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If I'm not mistaken Parson's was a second round pick so it made sense for him to make that type of move. I wouldn't count Bledsoe since he did what I expected he would which is go for the max. You do have a point with Monroe he hated playing with Josh Smith from what I have heard and that is why he did the QO. I guess for some of the Parker haters they can apply that to Kawhi.

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Originally Posted by wildchild

If he sign a short-term offer like Parsons, two years and one more player option, and the Spurs match, we're talking about the 2017-18 season not 2019.

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I see what you are saying but then again the spurs will have him for at least two more years if he bolts he bolts. Not much you can do about it.

Nick Young signed his QO on the Wizards in 2009.

This stuff happens. I don't know Kawhi is even thinking of going there, but you can have a Mark Cuban-type of move offering a short-max deal to entice the player with promises of grandeur, and the Spurs are gonna have to scramble.

ElNono, how much are you implying the Enrique aspect (contract, leadership etc....)?

The majority of the teams in the league are dysfunctional tbh. A couple more years with a competent coach is better than gambling elsewhere. Plus the fo is pretty good. However, tps contract indicates they may have lost it. The familiarity is a big advantage and he probably likes low-key aspect of the organization. Very unlikely he would leave the organization and I'm not concerned at all. Of course you can kick up dust about the slim chance of him leaving and blindly attribute the reason for him leaving is because tp. But that's looking for reasons to hate tp when impact on the court is enough already.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Nick Young signed his QO on the Wizards in 2009.

This stuff happens. I don't know Kawhi is even thinking of going there, but you can have a Mark Cuban-type of move offering a short-max deal to entice the player with promises of grandeur, and the Spurs are gonna have to scramble.

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Yeah its possible nobody knows what will happen. I won't stress about it but then again I have been a Spur fan since '92 so I have been through the high and lows of this franchise.

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Originally Posted by HI-FI

ElNono, how much are you implying the Enrique aspect (contract, leadership etc....)?

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Contract, like it or not, is an issue for rebuilding some sort of core, especially if this is the "new" level, since it would basically be untradeable. The saving grace is that the cap is apparently going to go up quite a bit, so maybe it won't hurt as much.

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Originally Posted by Nathan89

Of course you can kick up dust about the slim chance of him leaving and blindly attribute the reason for him leaving is because tp. But that's looking for reasons to hate tp when impact on the court is enough already.

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If that happens it would suck that he leaves but at the same time I would laugh real hard at the Kawhi fanboys going crazy in here. Could you imagine how many TP jersey's would be burned if that happened.

Kawhi Leonard: 'Pretty sure I'll be in a Spurs jersey' for life... (<<< click for article) :cry


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Originally Posted by Nathan89

The majority of the teams in the league are dysfunctional tbh. A couple more years with a competent coach is better than gambling elsewhere. Plus the fo is pretty good. However, tps contract indicates they may have lost it. The familiarity is a big advantage and he probably likes low-key aspect of the organization. Very unlikely he would leave the organization and I'm not concerned at all. Of course you can kick up dust about the slim chance of him leaving and blindly attribute the reason for him leaving is because tp. But that's looking for reasons to hate tp when impact on the court is enough already.

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Yeah, it's not about TP, but simply admitting the realities of our small market franchise. Our best talent has undoubtedly come from the lottery (and you have to give the FO the thumbs up on that), but that fact makes it extremely difficult to have a quick turnaround when you're losing such outstanding talent.

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Originally Posted by wildchild

He can trust...? No-extension, no bigger role this season, and maybe no-max contract next summer. A rare interpretation of "face of the franchise" for the Spurs...


Agree, he won't sign the QO if another team offer him a short-term max contract, then the Spurs will match...and he will leave the team in 2017.

I've said before, there is not incentive for Leonard to stay in SA after 2017.
No Tim/Pop/Manu, a small market/rebuilding team, and he'll have the opportunity to play for a real contender in a big market (which is supposedly his agent wants)

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The thread is about end of this season tbh

He could leave but then again his agent is obsessed with getting max money from what I have read. I get the feeling he will want the spurs to break the bank for Kawhi. I think it will really come down to money more so than anything else but we'll see.

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Originally Posted by Nathan89

The thread is about end of this season tbh

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I said he won't sign the QO if another team offer him a short-term max deal...

But if his agent fails to find that offer and the Spurs don't max him, Leonard will sign the QO at the end of this season.

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But if Kawhi somehow leaves, at least we still have Adam Hanga to look forward to lol

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Originally Posted by daslicer

How many people understand the concept of restricted FA in this thread. Kawhi pretty much has no power in this situation on whether he will leave or stay. Its all up to the spurs if they want to they will be able to match any offer and keep him. If he leaves its because the spurs didn't want to give him the max. You guys are acting like this a '00 Duncan FA situation. Like I said before the spurs will have to worry about keeping Kawhi when its time for his second contract in '19 because by then he'll be an unrestricted FA. I have never seen a team in the modern era lose there star under the restricted FA system. Can anybody name me a time it has happened?

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I'm pretty sure people know he is a RFA, I think the question is referring to why would he sign a 4 or 5 year deal. I also think other teams know not to offer the 4 year max because the Spurs would likely match so they might try the Parsons route.

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Originally Posted by Bynumite

He will stay simply because he knows he will be exposed as an overrated scrub outside of Pop's system a la Jim Duncan circa 2004.

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You're a fucking idiot. Tim Duncan was the best basketball player on the planet from 2002-2004.

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Originally Posted by wildchild

Sadly Tony's contract will become toxic next seasons

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If he keeps on playing that shitty, that contract (which looked like a bargain when signed) is indeed gonna be quite an issue for the immediate post Duncan/Manu area.

CIA FO using Tony to tank post Duncan:lol

I remember there were interviews where kawhi was talking about how he is not unhappy about the lack of touches now as he will get more touches when the vets retire, about how he has to prepare himself to step-up when that happens.