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According to Gervin, Thompson didn't break his record.
"I'd like to see him try to get 33 or 37 in a quarter when there wasn't no three-point line," Gervin said. "I don't feel—and it's funny, everybody laughs—I don't feel he broke my record," Gervin told Howard Beck of Bleacher Report. "I feel he set a new record. He set a new record for the new NBA.
"Think about it, man. That's like if we're going to have a race, and you start on the 50-yard line and I start on the 1-yard line and we're doing a 100-yard race. It's not even."
The NBA did not adopt a 3-point line until the 1979-80 season.
Truth nukes
He's gotta point.
Nobody really mentioned that when they talked about this record on Sportscenter.
But the question you have to ask is, could Gervin have taken advantage of the 3-point line if it had existed in his time?
Based on what I saw, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcadian
As far as stats go, he hit .417 one year from three and he was a career .844 shooter from the FT line.
Simple math. Give Klay 2 pts for his 3s and he comes up short. I still think they should count all shots before half court as 4 pts.
The question on my mind - is it harder to make 3's vs layups/midrange?
Layups have to get by bugs and might land on floor
Three point shots most of the time you do not land on floor
I believe the research says the expected value is higher for 3s, especially corner 3s, than for most 2-point shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by peacemaker885
Klay Thompson won't ever get close to the kind of scoring machine Gervin was.
So it's a fun stat I guess but also misleading.
First thing I thought of when the record was broken.
it's stupid though, if you're pointing out that it's totally different because basketball changed as a sport with the institution of the three point line then doesn't the road run both ways? Your record is no longer applicable to the sport we play today? So your record is what, fucking ETERNAL now if any of those points higher than your total come from the three point line? Dudes gotta play like it's 1978?
I love the Iceman but I'm always not-down with old basketball players bitching and moaning about contemporary trends and players (it's getting even fucking worse with dudes from the 90s or dudes STILL in the league like Kobe, back in my day blahblahblahblah grit heart DANG THESE STATS!!!) and I'm not really changing that opinion because he happens to be a Spur. Retired players unable to play anymore, stuck in the past, just grasping at whatever they can in the present, often diminishing the achievements of contemporary players, whatever dude stop shouting at me to get off your lawn.
You better believe this just makes him look like a petty hater to all the non-Spurs NBA fans unless they're specialized fetishizers of the past or fucking Bill Simmons. :rolleyes Like sorry dude, I'm pretty sure most of those glorious classic Celtics teams would look like old men on the court in today's NBA. :lol
And before you start ranting about monkeyball vs. b-ball IQ and all that bullshit, we wouldn't be anywhere in this current era without Kawhi Leonard's athleticism and physical abilities so you can stick that racist Eurotrash bullshit right back up your ass (UUUHHH YOU'RE RUNNING FASTER AND JUMPING HIGHER IN THIS SPORT OF BASKETBALL, HOW DARE YOU FILTHY AMERICANS!!!!! WHAT WE ARE BAD AT IS CLEARLY CHEAP AND DUMB!!!!). Except for a set number of old legends (including admittedly dudes like the Iceman, and obviously Wilt was enough of a unique specimen to own the top athletes of today's age) a lot of those dudes would get totally owned by today's athletes.
Retired athletes just need to be able to nod, smile, and go, "Not bad young fella". Keep that petty "BUT WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!" shit to yourself dude. There's a reason it's funny. There's a reason everyone laughs.
33 of em. The hard way.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
What a bunch of horseshit. Spoken like a true Millennial or young person who never watched the NBA when it wasn't watered-down like it is now. Yes, get the fuck off the lawn. No one is laughing at Ice or considering him a petty hater for his comments - but you. Dude followed up his 20 pt first quarter with 33 in the second. He doesn't have to grab at straws for respect. He earned it with multiple scoring titles, not some fluke game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godbama
This isn't about glorifying one's heyday either. The difference in talent level between today's NBA and what it was in the past is significant. Haven't you learned anything from watching the Spurs? What good does athleticism do for you when you get intentionally fouled because you can't make a fucking FT - Dwight Howard, DeAndre Jordan...? Nothing.
Many of today's players would cry like pussies if they played back in the day with the Lakers, Pistons and Celtics of the 80's. It was a much more physical game - no flopping, no flagrant fouls, no sympathy. I don't care how fast, agile or strong today's athletes are, if they didn't have the skills to go along with their athleticism, they wouldn't last on the court.
Basketball smarts and talent will always trump athleticism. You think a 6'9 Magic Johnson would get schooled nowadays? You think a guy like John Stockton would struggle against today's point guards? I don't remember him dunking very often but he's the all-time assist and steals leader.
SMH at youthful ignorance.
i know this is a homer board, but lol he's just a salty old man
lmao you already immediately lost me and invalidated everything you had to say with that trite cornball bullshit dude, please write a 1-2 page rant about "entitlement" and "kids these days". Or maybe you already just did, I stopped reading right there, I don't battle living breathing clichés. :lol:toast :downspin:Quote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
Rage, rage against the dying of the light. :cry
vvvvvvv :lol :bobo
Basketball without 3-pointers isn't really basketball, tbh..
The last time I played on the street and the 3-point line on one side of the court was worn off, so these niggas wanted to play without 3s..I literally sat out, that's not real basketball:lol..this isn't the fucking 70s:lmao..
:lol There are currently some posters downstairs bashing today's players because they aren't treating the dunk contest like it's game 7 of the Finals..Quote:
Originally Posted by Godbama
Yeah, but Klay had 37Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
George had a bunch of years to say he wanted his record nullified since the NBA is "new" but he didn't say shit until it was broken. He rode that record for all it was worth even during the "new NBA". Old stars living on entitlement, hangers on. They annoy the fuck out of me. Imagine a retired guy hanging out at your work celebrating every achievement the company makes, as if he still works there. David, this is about you too..
Did I? Did I already immediately lose you and invalidated everything...what the fuck is wrong with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Godbama
:lol And you call me cliche. Every word of your ignorantly worded comeback vindicates my point. You don't know shit, you can't write shit and you act like your the only kid who's ever been filled with know-it-all angst. And yes, you read the whole fucking thing. But hey, go on son...carpe fucking diem. :lmao
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Wow. David owns part of the team. But hey, by all means, he should stay the fuck out of the building - him being a has-been and all.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
I saw it as that as well, he might not be dead on 100% wrong on this but he sure is not right either. He is salty as fuck lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
hey lol if it makes you feel better about taking the time for that ace Huffington Post blog content I immediately ignored under the assumption it was the equivalent of an old man fart, then sure I read absolutely every word Mr. angry living example of nostalgia bias. I wish you'd at least remember the millennial cliche of us having super short attention spans tho and not just selectively be the neighbor from Dennis the Menace, because if you actually think I read that then lmao. If you wanted millennial readers you needed to keep it tweet-length (TRITE MILLENNIAL BURN!!! turns out I can be you better than you, actually).Quote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
then again for a guy with over THREE THOUSAND POSTS (lmFao) I doubt you really care if anyone's reading them anymore. you could actually be Bill Simmons IRL, in which case who cares if a DANG ENTITLED WHIPPERSNAPPER like me reads what you have to say anyway. I mean I don't really need to read it anyway, let me just summarize: "DANG X/Y THESE DAYS ISN'T ANYWHERE AS GOOD AS IT USED TO BE!!!111".
damn never heard THAT hot take before! Do you also have some totally profound thoughts on music these days? :lol:lol MILEY CYRUS JUSTIN BIEBER INSTAGRAM TWITTER MILLENIALS FART FART FART FART LEMME TELL YOU WHAT I THINK ABOUT HIP HOP THESE DAYS FART FART FART FART
do not go gentle into that good night :cry
(p.s. do you smell like old people yet?)
(p.p.s. are you actually Lou Dobbs???)
(p.p.p.s. it's all love, person who will definitely be dead long before I am, I will keep your spirit alive by shouting at 18 year olds in 2045 and telling them basketball in 2014 was way way way better than this cybernetic pussified bullshit!!!!!)
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Originally Posted by Malik Hairston
If you judge them by the same rules then Thompson only had 30 points. I get what Gervin's saying. It's moot because the current NBA wants new 'record breakers.'
I would love to get my hands on a copy of that quarter from Ice to judge them head to head.
I get why you're angry at your parents for birthing you and making you do shit, but I can't figure out what you have against punctuation. Is your idiotic grammar in this forum your bad-ass way of rebelling against the English language or is it just your weak ass attempt at trolling adults who can buy beer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Godbama
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(p.s Does anyone at school know you exist?)
(p.p.s Do you still skip the shower after gym class?)
(p.p.p.s yes -much love, young person who'll be a virgin long after I'm dead, please do keep my spirit alive when you yell at 14 year olds for correcting your shitty grammar.)
Cool.
Old guys v. Young guys cat fight.
Back in the day I ... v. You fked our world up, thanks
You lazy ass kids always whining... v. I got no food, I got no job, my pets heads are falling off...
Carry on.
Lol, you defend George Gervin's point of view and all of the sudden ipods and emails are magical new creations.Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
Just have 2 records.....pre 3pt line and post 3pt line......solves everything
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin
I think it depends on the build of the shooter. Layups are obviously easier than either. But I think 3 pointers from the top are easier for most guards than short jumpers. Especially from the sides. Someone else can maybe talk about the mechanics. But seems that there is much less adjustment and control involved in shooting a three that mid range jumpers where one has to hold back more or less depending on the exact distance.Quote:
Originally Posted by peacemaker885
For a long body, I think maybe the short jumper is easier.
He has a point, tbh.
Also, this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggems
no...there's no way they need to have 2 different records for post and pre 3 point arc. It's too much. It's just for points in a quarter anyway. Just a portion of one game. And if you start there, then you end up 2 records for all kinds of shit. Career points scored. Then you have to deal with players that played in both eras. And then you have players from the old era complaining because maybe the distance on a large portion of their points was from beyond the arc and they would have had way more points. Then you move on to make different records for lengths of seasons or changes in defensive rules. So and so would have scored way more in the pre flop rule era. or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by SupremeGuy
what will happen when they institute the 4pt line in the near future?
Antoine Walker will begin his epic comeback at age 45.Quote:
Originally Posted by in2deep
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Originally Posted by Seventyniner
"The El Paso Buffalos select Anthoine Walker Jr. Jr. for the #1 pick of the 2025 NBA Draft"
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Originally Posted by Biggems
Yeah, exactly. I don't see why so many people are getting so emotional about this. Gervin doesn't seem mad, or bitter, or "salty" at all to me. He's pointing out a simple fact about the differences and-- if you read the whole article-- saying very complimentary things about Klay.
Who says Gervin doesn't go 0-5 from three if he tried to in that game? There's no need to point out the differences - everyone knows the 3 point line was introduced in 1979. It's never been a point to credit/discredit new records.
salty tbh
League averaged a 114 ppg back then as oppose to 100 now.
Iceman's team lost that game while he was going for the scoring record whereas Klay's changed the game completely over the Kings.
Klay's was more impressive.
I said no way Thompson can be compared to Gervin as a scorer and the record is interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
If I fart in your general direction will you really lol?
I can see how you misunderstood my post. By "you" I was referring to me. I was called out as an old fart stuck in the past because I defended Ice's opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
Well then I owe you an apology.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
I apologize.
This. Also, basketball seems to be the only sport where the majority of old players are this salty and bitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godbama
If you never saw Gervin play, STFU.
Talking about Stern, who's retired. Stay out.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
I get all this and all, but still.. Klay broke his record. Doesn't make him better than Gervin, but still... he broke it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
I love George, but he should just congratulate Klay and move on. Holding any record in the NBA for nearly 40 years is a huge feat.
Doesn't he have any PR guys who can suggest the 3 point thing? Shouldn't come from the man himself.
:rolleyes and as usual, the argument could be reversed. all those guys who defended players physically in the 80's would struggle to adjust to today's game. they'd foul out in 5 minutesQuote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
I agree, he sounds salty as many said by talking about this here and saying it should not count. Congrats and move on. I think he never thought it would be broken and then when it was just could not take it and had to speak out on it for some reason? I don't get it I thought he would be more classy than that and say good for him and say I held it for a while and so on but he came off as kind of it is not broken and can't accept it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Helicopter Jones
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
even if some big-man broke the record without taking a 3, he would probably whine about how "i dont feel like my record was broken, defenses were a lot tougher and they didnt call as many fouls back then"
Another argument for Gervin......back in the 70's and 80's, goonery and thuggery was so prevalent in the NBA with the big men, players driving to the hoop literally would get shanked by a big with nothing more than a nod and a wink from the refs.
Honestly this is like a father v. son contests. Back in the day... This has turned quite interesting. I always wished I had lived in the 60's early 70's. Imagine the old WWII vet having a discussion with a kid refusing to go to Vietnam. I think we need another "generation gap".
Shaq and Barkley are reverting to old man form, which at times can be entertaining.
This discussion has devolved in to some sort of (us vs. them) or (past vs. current) - and I'm partly guilty of taking it that direction, but it should be about rules. Klay Thompson's performance was nothing short of amazing. He was perfect! 13-13, 9-9 on threes and 2-2 from FT line. No one can take that away from him and he is in the record books for 37 pts. in a quarter. Even better for his team, almost every one of those points was necessary and helped his team.
All that being said, I can see how George Gervin feels he still owns "A" record because there were no 3 ptrs back when he claimed it the first time. Klay got an extra 9 bonus points from behind the arc. Ok, so give Ice the asterisk. I don't think he's bitter or salty, I think he had a valid point.
As a huge Gervin fan, it really doesn't matter. Galileo and I know that Ice still owns the record for most points scored between the middle of the third until the middle of the fourth quarter during a weekend game. :p:
Seriously, I wonder how fans, media and players would react if Klay scored 101 points in today's three-point happy NBA. Great accomplishment for sure, but don't think there wouldn't be an asterisk next to it.
Tbh, the record don't care about what Gervin feels tbh.
Record still gonna show Klay as the top scorer for a single quarter.
I never cared much for records that were intentionally broken in basketball (other than winning). When you leave a guy out there and run your offense through him just to get him some record recognition (David's 71 pts to seal the scoring title) it defeats the purpose of the record. Now you have the tail wagging the dog. That's not what happened with Klay, otherwise Kerr plays him in the 4th as well. If you're not trying to win a championship, what are you trying to do?