Top 8 players in the west for their positions...How would you rank Danny..

Was looking through some stats last night about Danny Green and it got me thinking, Danny is actually a top SG in the west IMO.

Top SF's in the west..

KD
Kawhi
Gay
Parsons
Wiggins
Ariza
Barnes
Batum

Top PF's

Davis
Aldridge
Blake
Dirk
Zbo
Draymond ( Mostly plays the PF)
Ibaka
Morris


Top C
Boggie
Gasol
Bogut
Tim
Howard
Joradan
Asik
Lopez

Top SG

Harden
Thompson
Ellis
Bledsoe
Wes Mathews/Danny Green
Hayward
Crawford/Manu

Top PG's

Curry
Westbrook
Lillard
Conley
Paul
Dragon
Holiday
Lawson

- Man the Center position is so week..:lol
- PF is loaded though

Wiggins has a pretty solid claim over Parsons and Gay, at least right now. Dude has been beasting lately and is a much better defender than anyone outside of Kawhi and Ariza on that SF list.

Pretty good rankings otherwise, though your hate of Dwight is pretty clear. :lol

IMO DG's defense alone makes him a very good player for many teams. Unfortunately he needs Pop. :-)

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Originally Posted by peacemaker885

IMO DG's defense alone makes him a very good player for many teams. Unfortunately he needs Pop. :-)

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Danny is the best defensive SG in the west..

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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9

Danny is the best defensive SG in the west..

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It's amazing that the Griz have dropped Tony Allen out of the rotation. I haven't seen much of their games recently to know why, other than the obvious trade, but he's a stellar defender still and they don't play him.

I like Green but he's big time overrated right now, I don't even think he's been all that great defensively this season.

I'd take Wes Matthews over Green, his versatility on offence more than makes up for his very slightly worse 3 point shooting and defence. His ability to post up is very valuable and he's a much better ball handler and passer.

Pretty cool that if it wasn't for Splitter's injuries we'd have 4/5ths of our starting line-up in those rankings.

Our Spurs are truly the definition of TEAM. :tu

Duncan is better than Bogut.

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Originally Posted by Richie

I like Green but he's big time overrated right now, I don't even think he's been all that great defensively this season.

I'd take Wes Matthews over Green, his versatility on offence more than makes up for his very slightly worse 3 point shooting and defence. His ability to post up is very valuable and he's a much better ball handler and passer.

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Have you been watching the games? Green has been an animal on defense. He might be the best transitional player in the league on defense.

In 46 games he already has 2.4 defensive win shares with a Dbox+- of 2.2, both on track to be career highs. He's a 3 point shooter who ALSO gives you 5 rpg and a combined 3 steals + blocks per game, also on pace for a career high. All this while usually guarding the other team's best guard and giving us 14.3 ppg on the other side of the court -- also a career high.

Not sure what's wrong between Pop and tiago...

We need a motivated Tiago but for some reason Pop is teaching him a "lesson"

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Pretty cool that if it wasn't for Splitter's injuries we'd have 4/5ths of our starting line-up in those rankings.

Our Spurs are truly the definition of TEAM. :tu

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Not sure what's wrong with Pop and Tiago's relationship tbh..he's too old to be giving "get over yourself" lessons..

Even with all the things Kawhi have done he's still getting "get over yourself" lessons...

We really need a motivated Tiago in the playoffs.

Off topic. Does anyone know if Direct TV supports FSSW in the hill country area of Texas?

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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9

Not sure what's wrong with Pop and Tiago's relationship tbh..he's too old to be giving "get over yourself" lessons..

Even with all the things Kawhi have done he's still getting "get over yourself" lessons...

We really need a motivated Tiago in the playoffs.

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He'll be fine imo. Pop knows we need his defense.

I've noticed he does it with Green too though. Wish Pop would give those type of lessons to players that really deserve it.

Bogut over Tim :lol

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

Have you been watching the games? Green has been an animal on defense. He might be the best transitional player in the league on defense.

In 46 games he already has 2.4 defensive win shares with a Dbox+- of 2.2, both on track to be career highs. He's a 3 point shooter who ALSO gives you 5 rpg and a combined 3 steals + blocks per game, also on pace for a career high. All this while usually guarding the other team's best guard and giving us 14.3 ppg on the other side of the court -- also a career high.

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Not sure where you're getting the 14.3ppg from as DG is at 12.2 but I agree with you, he is a menace on defense and has really excelled in transition defense. Though he is a bit under his career 3PT% this season, hope he can get that back up. Dude has been clutch as hell though this season. If he could only add a reliable move off the dribble or work on his floater more, he'd be a lot more deadly

Also Bogut is not better than Tim overall imo. Constantly injured and unreliable. Monster on defense but nothing to write home about on O and doesn't pass like Duncan. I think the C position doesn't look weak, especially compared to the PF imho. lol @ Morris being a top 8 PF and calling the PF position stacked :lol

imho you're also seriously underrating Hayward...he is probably right under Ellis imo. I was also gonna lol at Barnes but I assume you mean Harrison and not Matt :lol

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Not sure where you're getting the 14.3ppg from as DG is at 12.2 but I agree with you, he is a menace on defense and has really excelled in transition defense. Though he is a bit under his career 3PT% this season, hope he can get that back up. Dude has been clutch as hell though this season. If he could only add a reliable move off the dribble or work on his floater more, he'd be a lot more deadly

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Yeah, I accidentally scrolled down to "per 36 minutes". Still a valuable metric but 14ppg did seem a bit high for him. :lol

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Originally Posted by Leetonidas

Also Bogut is not better than Tim overall imo. Constantly injured and unreliable. Monster on defense but nothing to write home about on O and doesn't pass like Duncan. I think the C position doesn't look weak, especially compared to the PF imho. lol @ Morris being a top 8 PF and calling the PF position stacked :lol

imho you're also seriously underrating Hayward...he is probably right under Ellis imo. I was also gonna lol at Barnes but I assume you mean Harrison and not Matt :lol

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Matt Barnes has actually been a very good player for the Clips lately. Hard to believe but it's true.

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

Have you been watching the games? Green has been an animal on defense. He might be the best transitional player in the league on defense.

In 46 games he already has 2.4 defensive win shares with a Dbox+- of 2.2, both on track to be career highs. He's a 3 point shooter who ALSO gives you 5 rpg and a combined 3 steals + blocks per game, also on pace for a career high. All this while usually guarding the other team's best guard and giving us 14.3 ppg on the other side of the court -- also a career high.

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I don't know much about the advanced metrics, but I'm always very dubious to put a lot of stock in to blocks and steals stats. Westbrook leads the league in steals but he gambles so much to get them. You're looking at per 36 numbers which is fine, but compare that to KJ McDaniels 3.2 combined blocks and steals, that doesn't mean he's a better defender.

I agree he is good in transition defense, but I've had a feeling this year that he hasn't been able to stay in front of his man as well as in previous years. Often he'll get blown by when closing out on a shooter.

I'm not saying he's a bad defender by any stretch, but people talk about him as if he's an All-Defense player and I don't think that's the case. He's a well above average defender but he's no Bowen/Kawhi.

In terms of defense, Green is to Leonard what Trenton Hassell was to Bruce Bowen tbh

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I don't know much about the advanced metrics, but I'm always very dubious to put a lot of stock in to blocks and steals stats. Westbrook leads the league in steals but he gambles so much to get them. You're looking at per 36 numbers which is fine, but compare that to KJ McDaniels 3.2 combined blocks and steals, that doesn't mean he's a better defender.

I agree he is good in transition defense, but I've had a feeling this year that he hasn't been able to stay in front of his man as well as in previous years. Often he'll get blown by when closing out on a shooter.

I'm not saying he's a bad defender by any stretch, but people talk about him as if he's an All-Defense player and I don't think that's the case. He's a well above average defender but he's no Bowen/Kawhi.

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That's why we combine it with watching the games. Green doesn't gamble a lot. I'd agree he's closing out a bit too hard, but I think that's a result of Pop not wanting to give 3s to the other team. But he is an absolute pest in passing lanes and excels when the other team starts to break down on offense or is trying to force the issue. Both Green and Kawhi are absolute thieves when it comes to stealing desperate passes.

Bogut over Tim :lol
Green and Crawford over Manu :lmao

Holiday over TP9 ?? Also Thompson is playing way over his head at the moment :lol he will regress to the mean. He's shown to not show up in the playoffs anyway :lol

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Originally Posted by Kuestmaster

Duncan is better than Bogut.

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Bogut over Tim :lol
Green and Crawford over Manu :lmao

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Holiday over TP9 ?? Also Thompson is playing way over his head at the moment :lol he will regress to the mean. He's shown to not show up in the playoffs anyway :lol

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:tu

Redick > Crawful. Neither of them are great on defense by any means, but at least Redick isn't a chucker who kills any semblance of ball movement whenever he checks into the game.

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Holiday over TP9 ?? Also Thompson is playing way over his head at the moment :lol he will regress to the mean. He's shown to not show up in the playoffs anyway :lol

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Parker's defense has been so bad this year, practically negates his offense so yes. Holiday isn't a great defender but is miles ahead of TP, pretty equal scorers but Holiday's passing ability makes him a much better offensive player and it shows in ORPM, Holiday has a pretty good ORPM, Parker's is pretty bad as his scoring usually comes at the cost of his teammates. I'd love to see what a true passing PG could do with this offense.

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Originally Posted by Leetonidas

In terms of defense, Green is to Leonard what Trenton Hassell was to Bruce Bowen tbh

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Chinook

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Wes Matthews the fat playoff choker:lmao..not really sure where this Wes Matthews hype came from, tbh..

Bledsoe is really good, but you'll never build a winning team with a PG/SG hybrid that can't make jump shots..it doesn't work in the playoffs..

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Wes Matthews the fat playoff choker:lmao..not really sure where this Wes Matthews hype came from, tbh..

Bledsoe is really good, but you'll never build a winning team with a PG/SG hybrid that can't make jump shots..it doesn't work in the playoffs..

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Matthews used to always kill the Spurs in the regular season the past few years, hasn't really done anything since Leonard/Green have improved to lock him and Batum down.

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Originally Posted by KL2

Matthews used to always kill the Spurs in the regular season the past few years, hasn't really done anything since Leonard/Green have improved to lock him and Batum down.

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I used to like Matthews, tbh, but I don't understand this hype he has generated this year..

He's supposed to be a "lockdown" defender, but all of the Spurs' perimeter players ran through Portland in last year's series, it was a massacre:lol..he's a good post player, but a post-playing SG in 2015 is essentially pointless..there's a reason you don't see too many of those players remaining..

It helped his reputation to have a good series against Harden, I suppose, but Harden was also terrible the year before as the #1 guy in the playoffs, too..

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

Chinook

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:lol Had no idea Hassell was better than Bowen.

He wasn't



oh wait i see what you did there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

It's amazing that the Griz have dropped Tony Allen out of the rotation. I haven't seen much of their games recently to know why, other than the obvious trade, but he's a stellar defender still and they don't play him.

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It's obviously working for them. In today's game, a perimeter player who can't shoot destroys his own team's offense if the defense has any clue.

Free OP

rob in full meltdown mode. :lol

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rob in full meltdown mode. :lol

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:lolI just feel like stirring shit up.

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Originally Posted by look_at_g_shred

Holiday over TP9 ?? Also Thompson is playing way over his head at the moment :lol he will regress to the mean. He's shown to not show up in the playoffs anyway :lol

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I hope that but the confidence is an intangible, a key factor to success, it can turn decent players into winners.
Sadly, Klay's confidece is so high now and could change his loser mindset...