This is Tony Parker's series, tbh..

Out of all the matchup advantages the Spurs have in this series(bench is levels better than theirs, Hack-a-Jordan, Kawhi against any of their mediocre perimeter defenders, etc), the biggest advantage is going to be Parker vs. Paul IMO.

I'm not referring to their actual 1 on 1 matchup in a vacuum, as Paul is a very good defender, nor am I referring to Parker's previous success vs. Paul(he generally matches or outplays him). The advantage lies in the number of defenders the Spurs can and will throw at Paul(Parker, Green, Leonard and even Joseph) in contrast to the Clippers' potential adjustments vs. Parker.

Realistically, the Clippers don't have the long wing defender that generally gives Tony, and most PGs, trouble with their length and athleticism. Matt Barnes is long, but he's an average defender, he's in his 30s, he doesn't defend opposing PGs, and when he does, the success is limited.

Chris Paul is their primary, and only defensive PG. While Paul is exerting a lot of energy running the Clippers' offense, he'll be going up against the length and athleticism of both Leonard and Green on the other end, and even Cory Joseph's solid defense. As a result, Tony will and should be able to wear down Paul on the offensive end, while the Spurs will continuously switch defenders against CP3 on the other end, keeping them all fresh. The Clippers will not be able to do the same thing, their options are limited.

Everybody keeps saying that Kawhi should be the primary option in this series, but I actually disagree, tbh. While Leonard should get a ton of looks, especially in the post, he has a nice mismatch of his own, Parker should be the primary offensive focus for the Spurs, as he should be able to either: wear down Paul with the off-ball movement and penetration which will affect CP's offense, or should be able to execute easily vs. a tired Paul that is conserving all his energy for offense.

Agreed, gotta make Paul work.

loop, loop, loop, loop...

they gotta use the loop with parker a lot and by a lot, I mean a lot..

That's the one play that requires paul to run a lot...

I just hope he doesn't just settle for jumpers... I know attacking the rim with DeAndre there might be intimidating, but our bigs have to open up a line for him.

Even just driving and kicking opens up a lot of stuff for us...

Solid take, I dig it.

Cue that Chris Paul helicopter flop

http://youtu.be/23Q0RaK5vbY

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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9

loop, loop, loop, loop...

they gotta use the loop with parker a lot and by a lot, I mean a lot..

That's the one play that requires paul to run a lot...

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Yes, catching parker offball is much more difficult than staying with him on-ball. Even when we want to make CP tired, we have to run parker around screens off-ball rather than play high pick and rolls with duncan.

Flop is MVParker's bitch tbh. We got this.

I hope OP is correct. If Tony shows up that showed up most of the year were in trouble, if the one who came on a little later this year that will be welcome.

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Originally Posted by Malik Hairston

Out of all the matchup advantages the Spurs have in this series(bench is levels better than theirs, Hack-a-Jordan, Kawhi against any of their mediocre perimeter defenders, etc), the biggest advantage is going to be Parker vs. Paul IMO.

I'm not referring to their actual 1 on 1 matchup in a vacuum, as Paul is a very good defender, nor am I referring to Parker's previous success vs. Paul(he generally matches or outplays him). The advantage lies in the number of defenders the Spurs can and will throw at Paul(Parker, Green, Leonard and even Joseph) in contrast to the Clippers' potential adjustments vs. Parker.

Realistically, the Clippers don't have the long wing defender that generally gives Tony, and most PGs, trouble with their length and athleticism. Matt Barnes is long, but he's an average defender, he's in his 30s, he doesn't defend opposing PGs, and when he does, the success is limited.

Chris Paul is their primary, and only defensive PG. While Paul is exerting a lot of energy running the Clippers' offense, he'll be going up against the length and athleticism of both Leonard and Green on the other end, and even Cory Joseph's solid defense. As a result, Tony will and should be able to wear down Paul on the offensive end, while the Spurs will continuously switch defenders against CP3 on the other end, keeping them all fresh. The Clippers will not be able to do the same thing, their options are limited.

Everybody keeps saying that Kawhi should be the primary option in this series, but I actually disagree, tbh. While Leonard should get a ton of looks, especially in the post, he has a nice mismatch of his own, Parker should be the primary offensive focus for the Spurs, as he should be able to either: wear down Paul with the off-ball movement and penetration which will affect CP's offense, or should be able to execute easily vs. a tired Paul that is conserving all his energy for offense.

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smh so Parker against one of the best two way players in the NBA is a better matchup than Claw versus Barnes?

What difference does it make if there are other defensive point guards on the roster or not? Paul is still a defensive PG either way. Sure Tony needs to keep Paul honest but Barnes is a shitty defender.

This seems more to me like an excuse to shit on Tony if he struggles and have a told you so.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

smh so Parker against one of the best two way players in the NBA is a better matchup than Claw versus Barnes?

What difference does it make if there are other defensive point guards on the roster or not? Paul is still a defensive PG either way. Sure Tony needs to keep Paul honest but Barnes is a shitty defender.

This seems more to me like an excuse to shit on Tony if he struggles and have a told you so.

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I think you are missing the point of his post. Don't think he meant that 1v1 TP has the best match up. What he was saying that it's the most important and TP needs to really be smart and aggressive and make CP work on defense. Use TP to go at him, over and over (not ignoring his teammates, but constant attack mode) so that CP has to do more work defensively than he's used to - thus, hopefully making him a bit less effective on offense.

It's not that 1 v 1 that TP has a massive advantage - it's about the importance of TP this series.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

smh so Parker against one of the best two way players in the NBA is a better matchup than Claw versus Barnes?

What difference does it make if there are other defensive point guards on the roster or not? Paul is still a defensive PG either way. Sure Tony needs to keep Paul honest but Barnes is a shitty defender.

This seems more to me like an excuse to shit on Tony if he struggles and have a told you so.

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I didn't say the Spurs should exclusively go to Parker and nobody else, I said Parker is the key to this series and his offense will be another form of defense against Paul(by wearing him down)..the Clippers don't have that option on the other end..

Kawhi is the best defender on the team, he's the primary lane disruptor, in addition to being used as arguably the primary defender of Chris Paul in the series..obviously his matchup vs. Barnes is a significant factor, but wearing him out offensively is stupid, considering the Spurs have several other go-to options(unlike the Clippers)..it's very rare to have a player in the NBA playing high-level 2-way basketball for an entire game..

Parker literally has no value defensively, he can conserve his entire tank on offense, unlike Chris Paul..in contrast, the Clippers can't do the same thing, Paul is gonna have to exert a ton of energy on both ends, or suffer on one if he decides to save himself..

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I think you are missing the point of his post. Don't think he meant that 1v1 TP has the best match up. What he was saying that it's the most important and TP needs to really be smart and aggressive and make CP work on defense. Use TP to go at him, over and over (not ignoring his teammates, but constant attack mode) so that CP has to do more work defensively than he's used to - thus, hopefully making him a bit less effective on offense.

It's not that 1 v 1 that TP has a massive advantage - it's about the importance of TP this series.

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I get that you want to keep Paul honest but have you guys watched us play our offense? You don't have to dominate the ball to make defenders work in this system. Getting Leonard isolated on Barnes on his spots on the floor still needs to be the top priority. The two concepts are also not mutually exclusive.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

I get that you want to keep Paul honest but have you guys watched us play our offense? You don't have to dominate the ball to make defenders work in this system. Getting Leonard isolated on Barnes on his spots on the floor still needs to be the top priority. The two concepts are also not mutually exclusive.

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Agreed - it's not about TP forcing the issue. It's more about him being ultra aggressive and really going all in on offense.

And all hate aside, the Spurs are better with a peak Parker-led offense, rather than a peak Kawhi-led offense, with the way the system is constructed..also, as Sean Elliott pointed out several times in the past few weeks, opposing teams are over-playing the Kawhi post-up whenever Duncan is on the floor and forcing Tim to take any jump shot he wants, too..

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Originally Posted by Malik Hairston

I didn't say the Spurs should exclusively go to Parker and nobody else, I said Parker is the key to this series and his offense will be another form of defense against Paul(by wearing him down)..the Clippers don't have that option on the other end..

Kawhi is the best defender on the team, he's the primary lane disruptor, in addition to being used as arguably the primary defender of Chris Paul in the series..obviously his matchup vs. Barnes is a significant factor, but wearing him out offensively is stupid, considering the Spurs have several other go-to options(unlike the Clippers)..it's very rare to have a player in the NBA playing high-level 2-way basketball for an entire game..

Parker literally has no value defensively, he can conserve his entire tank on offense, unlike Chris Paul..in contrast, the Clippers can't do the same thing, Paul is gonna have to exert a ton of energy on both ends, or suffer on one if he decides to save himself..

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Ahh there it is. Planning around Parker's shittiness finally comes to light.

If we up his minutes he'll still be playing less than 40 and he is 23 years old. You want to baby him?

Your entire take seems ignorant to what Pop does with his bench and what he asks of his players which is pretty par the course with you.

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Ahh there it is. Planning around Parker's shittiness finally comes to light.

If we up his minutes he'll still be playing less than 40 and he is 23 years old. You want to baby him?

Your entire take seems ignorant to what Pop does with his bench and what he asks of his players which is pretty par the course with you.

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Ya, this post doesn't make any sense in relation to anything I argued, just gibberish, as usual:lol..

Not surprising coming from the man that argued Lionel Hollins is an elite-tier coach, though..

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Agreed - it's not about TP forcing the issue. It's more about him being ultra aggressive and really going all in on offense.

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So your point is that Parker needs to try? Such insight into the gameplan. . . .

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So his point that Parker needs to try? Such insight into the gameplan. . . .

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No - you missed the point from the beginning. His post does make some sense.

The team is at its best when Parker and Leonard are options 1a and 1b on offense. I agree with the general premise that you want to make Paul work on both ends of the floor, and that if the Spurs can get away with hiding Parker on Barnes on D, Parker will be able to run the loop all day on offense, wearing Paul out.

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Ya, this post doesn't make any sense in relation to anything I argued, just gibberish, as usual:lol..

Not surprising coming from the man that argued Lionel Hollins is an elite-tier coach, though..

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I think I had him at 12 in the NBA before the season. Hardly elite but you seem grasping nuance amongst other things.

You were saying you didn't want to tire Kawhi and you cannot figure out why I would bring up his age, minutes, and how Pop deploys his players. I cannot say that I am surprised; you are completely disingenuous in most every meaning of the word.

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No - you missed the point from the beginning. His post does make some sense.

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I said that I got that Parker needed to make Paul play defense. We are talking about the relative importance in the offense of various options.

What you don't seem to get is that you are presenting a really dumbed down paradigm by which to judge such a thing and at the end when you consider everything the conclusion is that Parker needs to try on offense. No shit. My point isn't that it doesn't make sense. You are the one that seems oblivious.

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No - you missed the point from the beginning. His post does make some sense.

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This is what he does in every thread, tbh:lol..

I'm used to it, since I shit on him in every thread and he follows me around, though..

He's ChumpDumper with less questions and more words:

- Submit post
- Fuzzy says you're wrong
- Fuzzy doesn't argue his point, just writes a bunch of words that have little to do with the subject
- Fuzzy throws in a few snooty insults in an attempt to show he's superior and knowledgeable

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You were saying you didn't want to tire Kawhi and you cannot figure out why I would bring up his age, minutes, and how Pop deploys his players. I cannot say that I am surprised; you are completely disingenuous in most every meaning of the word.

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- Fuzzy doesn't argue his point, just writes a bunch of words that have little to do with the subject

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Obviously. . .

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

I said that I got that Parker needed to make Paul play defense. We are talking about the relative importance in the offense of various options.

What you don't seem to get is that you are presenting a really dumbed down paradigm by which to judge such a thing and at the end when you consider everything the conclusion is that Parker needs to try on offense. No shit. My point isn't that it doesn't make sense. You are the one that seems oblivious.

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I am not presenting anything here. I was explaining to you the point of the post you commented on from the OP. I saw you missing the point (like others)about what the post was about.

lulz

It's actually exactly what you do.

You dissemble like a motherfucker. That's all you do.

Nice jinx thread.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

I think you are missing the point of his post. Don't think he meant that 1v1 TP has the best match up. What he was saying that it's the most important and TP needs to really be smart and aggressive and make CP work on defense. Use TP to go at him, over and over (not ignoring his teammates, but constant attack mode) so that CP has to do more work defensively than he's used to - thus, hopefully making him a bit less effective on offense.

It's not that 1 v 1 that TP has a massive advantage - it's about the importance of TP this series.

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where the fuck have you been

jinx thread

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where the fuck have you been

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Just reading for a while - waiting for playoffs to start.

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I am not presenting anything here. I was explaining to you the point of the post you commented on from the OP. I saw you missing the point (like others)about what the post was about.

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What point was that? That he is trolling or that Parker needs to try on offense?

You keep parroting this line but I keep saying that I get that Parker needs to make CP3 work but the title of the thread is what it is.

Damn, 0 plays for Kawhi, 0 attempts to go against Barnes..wonder what Pop is thinking, I guess he didn't get Fuzzy's memo:lol..

:lmao

Parker with everything lined up for him, biggest game of the year, and this is how he comes out?:wow

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Damn, 0 plays for Kawhi, 0 attempts to go against Barnes..wonder what Pop is thinking, I guess he didn't get Fuzzy's memo:lol..

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So now you go the other way. Sure seems like they are implementing your Parker gameplan . . .

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Parker with everything lined up for him, biggest game of the year, and this is how he comes out?:wow

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So you are going to go with it anyway. You're pretty transparent and unoriginal at this point.

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This seems more to me like an excuse to shit on Tony if he struggles and have a told you so.

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I am fucking Trollstradamus.

Jinx thread of the year candidate TBH

Tony freezing his best teammate. Can this dude get Kawhi involved for once. Fucks sake. :lmao

jinx? He identified that Parker is facing Paul and anticipated him struggling but presented it in such a way that such troubles would be regarded as him being disappointing relative to the expectation he put out.

this forum fucking blows now. stupid people being led around by the nose by the hydra.

Pooooorker !

:lmao

Poooooorker again !

This guy is atrocious

Enrique sighting. Pop needs to bench his ass for being a poor fucking player out there. No accountability really.

Tony Parker sucks. He can't do shit right now, can't shoot, can't dribble worth a fuck, can't attack the paint, can't pass. Why is he ever in the game? I keep hoping he breaks his leg.

OP, I think we're wrong.

Tony is not good anymore to properly do what you want him to do. :depressed

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OP, I think we're wrong.

Tony is not good anymore to properly do what you want him to do. :depressed

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I still believe bro..I still believe..they all told us we were wrong all season, we have to believe them..

:lmao Malik's grandmother would be a better PG than Parker

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Tony Parker sucks. He can't do shit right now, can't shoot, can't dribble worth a fuck, can't attack the paint, can't pass. Why is he ever in the game? I keep hoping he breaks his leg.

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Fuck! Tp is getting outplayed by that Rivers scrub.

:lol Tony Romo