Feels a lot like the warriors series. Shots def have to go in, turn overs have to stop, mills needs more minutes, and we have to do something about the griffin effect.
Just a thought..
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Feels a lot like the warriors series. Shots def have to go in, turn overs have to stop, mills needs more minutes, and we have to do something about the griffin effect.
Just a thought..
Stop playing like dogshit
Green obviously needs to make his shots, that's the most important thing for the Spurs, offensively..
Also, Tom Rivers' game plan was to double Kawhi in the post any time he has it, and the Spurs clearly weren't prepared for it..
Put your best defenders on the players they'll be most suited to guard. Doesn't seem like a hard concept.
Give Messina control of substitutions.
Send Cory back to Austin.
Maybe have Diaw as your third big and not Baynes.
IF ONE AND ONLY ONE OF YOUR PLAYERS IS FORCING THEIR DEFENSE TO DOUBLE TEAM HIM, MAYBE FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET HIM THE BALL WITH SHOOTERS AROUND HIM.
Stop missing.
Simple, bench Parker.
Defensively, Crawford won't shoot as well, nor will Barnes, but they'll need to adjust matchups on the perimeter..
I don't see anything they'll be able to do about Griffin, but I don't mind him trying to carry them..
Nah lets keep tony and diaw on the 3 point line. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by benstanfield
Green on cp3 say use all your energy on d forgot the o
someone needs of step up an put some hard fouls on Paul.
Hope Splitter heals up. May have been mistake trying him out tonight.
Not just the doubling of Kawhi, but the trapping/near doubling of all ball handlers at top of the 3PT line as well. Spurs were ill-prepared for that level of aggression and even when they broke that down they made horrific decisions, turned it over, missed shots, missed FT's or missed around the rim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malik Hairston
GIVE A SHIT THAT IS ALL!
care
Get crater face to stop being a stubborn old asshole and give all cojos minutes to patty
Someone watched how Spo played the Spurs in the 2013 finalsQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Spurs have been having some really terrible 1st quarters... both games vs Houston, the Nola game, and today. If anything I'd like to see them not give up 30 points in the 1st quarter. Just come out more ready.
just need splitter on blake and kawhi on paul
start ginoboli instead of green.
Kawahi on Paul, so more Patty>Cojo for offense
Well for one, you don't alter your shot for Jordan. You alter your place on the floor. You do that by moving, passing, and spreading the floor. More than once you saw one guy with the ball and the other 4 all bunched up. That's not the Spurs way. This as so bad it almost looked intentional. That or they just didn't care. Pop sure didn't. Terrible coaching job. Worst Spurs performance in the playoffs I've seen in a while. Mills goes in, starts making 3's and then Pop sits him. Baahh...this was a gift from Pop to Doc. No more, no less. We got this. That is, if we want it.
Stop being scared little bitches.
Who cares if Deandre Jordan is there? You still have to attack.
Who cares if your shot just got blocked? That doesn't mean you retire from the league in the middle of the third quarter and leave what was your man--a top 6 point guard--wide the fuck open.
Adjustment? Stop being so soft.
Gotta figure out how to get KL loose. The double is working on the baseline and there is no one open.
Make it a bit harder on CP.
Dont let Blake Griffin have a running start to the basket in half court.
Did anyone take a charge?
Get Splitter ready.
We really can't play worse than what we just witnessed.
Lets get this next one.
Whats up with the rotations, did Pop figure this was going to be a loss and save the guys for a long series. 30 minutes for Duncan Leonard and Parker compared to 40 minutes for Paul Griffin and Jordan
For starters, I kinda feel like the Clippers played just about as well as they can. They hit us with their best shot, and unfortunately we couldn't take it. In general, we have to play more composed. There were times we looked like a team that had made the playoffs for the first time, and Green especially looked pretty shook for some reason. It kinda felt like how some of the Dallas series last year felt to me, with the ball movement being really stymied. Idk I'm having a little trouble digesting that game, not really sure how to feel about it fully.
Slow the fuck down and make good decisions. Everything seemed rushed and clunky and out of sorts. When Kawhi was doubled they rushed and didnt know what to do. Ball movement wasnt there. Pop's rotations were also all over the damn place.
I think they're just trying to work him back up to a normal minutes load. Rather than try waiting until Game 3 to bring him back, they'll gradually bring him on over these first few games.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Leave Parker on the team bus.
Ok maybe thats a bit to far but im really pissed at him right now.
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Originally Posted by Chomag
Pray for health for Shitter
More pissed on green
I'm not sure. He really look like he was laboring out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFan86
kawhi on paul is the main move
more patty
have kawhi ready for the post double team
more healthy splitter on griffen
FOR GODS SAKE FINISH AROUND THE BASKET, many times jordan wasnt even in the picture so I dont wanna hear that
Green make some wide open looks
Patty takes all of CoJo's minutes
Kawhi on CP3, Danny on Reddick, Parker on Barnes
If the Clippers are going to double Kawhi then run the offense through him.
Cut down on the turnovers
Make FTs
Really, make the bunnies and the FTs.
:lol Which is mind boggling tbh. The most surprising thing from tonight was to see how much more prepared the Clippers were IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malik Hairston
This is just who Parker is. He can occasionally string together a couple of games in his old form, but he is way past his prime now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chomag
Either he was experimenting or he's drinking before games. Mills wakes up, looks like we might be able to get back in it. Doc calls a time out, Pop sits Mills. Sorry Clippers fans, you've just been given a gift. Pops is better than that. Spurs are better than the Clippers and Pop is better than Doc Rivers. One of the worst benches in the league comes alive against you ? F'in please. No worries here. If that's the best they got, we got this. Because that was the Spurs at their worst.Quote:
Originally Posted by SayTown
make some free throws too would be nice
That doesn't solve the defensive issues - leaving shooters, Griffin, CP3 going nuts. Spurs were not getting nearly as many good looks (they did get some) because of the PG/G play. They were flustered all night with being trapped and made some really poor decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Making FT/Bunnies help obviously, but there were more issues than just that.
If those were made, it's close enough to be competitive in a road playoff game. Sure the other stuff needs to be worked on, but playoffs get ugly.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Yeah, watching Mills sit after he started catching fire was frustrating, but Pop will stick with his rotations. We all know this.
you can't ask parker to do the motion offense and play defense against one of the best PGs in the game. he's 32 years old, almost 33, and probably still suffering from lingering injuries.
pop refuses to put danny on cp3. that old fuck is gonna cost us this series if he continues to fuck this simple adjustment up. danny plays better offensively and defensively when he has a bigger task.
would pop's love for cojo end now? please? patty is light years better than cojo.
the team didn't play good tonight, but pop's rotations were ass and were the biggest reason we lost tonight.
Well sure, but close enough isn't good enough. You have to win to advance. Even with made FT's and more bunnies going in, this type of engagement/execution wouldn't have been good enough. It just wouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Take smarter shots.
Lock Cory Joseph in the Janitor's room and "lose" the keys
Maybe it would have. Playoffs are ugly.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
What Clippers bench, they didn't play much. The Clippers bench sucks but it doesnt matter they wont play much this series but if we get to a game 7 the Clippers starters will be tired as hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by ErnestLynch
Yes, m effing yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by benstanfield
:lol no jumper Parker throwing the ball into him in the post.
he did late, small sample size but it didnt help, cp3 did whatever he wantedQuote:
Originally Posted by Arc
- Can't have Diaw guarding Griffin for extended periods of time
- Green has to get back to doing Danny Green things on offense. less ball handling, more shooting. and better shooting
- Diaw has to hit wide open shots
- Parker has to play with more fire... he usually plays well against Chris Paul, was made his bitch tonight, and stalled the offense as a result
- They have to run more offense through Duncan, either in the low post, high post, or on the roll. he's shown he can score on Jordan (scored 30 on them in the last regular season matchup). it will also get their bigs some fouls and cause them to tone down their aggression
- Mills has to be the primary backup PG. Joseph is defensive minded, and that might be fine in certain matchups, but he's not going to slow CP3, realistically. so you basically have a below-average offensive player on one end, and a guy who can't make an impact defensively (if Paul is in the game).
- Splitter/Baynes need to be more physical. baynes missed some cupcakes at the rim
- The team needs to not play in complete fear of Jordan. this reminded me a lot of last year against OKC when Ibaka returned. i saw a lot of hot potato under the rim, everybody making a pass because they didn't want to go up with it
- manu/marco were overall ok, but if the team is stagnant offensively, we (fairly or not) rely on Manu to get us out of the funks. "ok" isn't going to be good enough from manu
- they're going to double Kawhi every time he backs his man down. he should anticipate the double and look to get rid of the ball sooner before getting trapped and being forced to throw a high-arching pass that gives the defense time to get reset.
Play Patty.
I hate Beli but he could be useful in this series if Manu is struggling. Just don't give him Danny Green's minutes.
Splitter being healthy is the biggest adjustment our team needs. :lol tholdren
That type of assesment isn't good enough to me. That seems like a cop out. When really watching this game & re-watching a few portions/possessions, there was way more wrong than making your FT's. Just simple math tells you if they made their normal % of FT's and their road 3PT % and a few of those bunnies, it wouldn't have made up the spread.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Hence, there is still a gap even with all of those things hypothetically added back into the score. How do you fill the gap? That's the disussion in this thread. That's the adjustments. Making FT's and bunnies isn't an adjustment. How you handle Kawhi getting doubled in the post is. How the ball handlers handle getting hedged on nearly every PnR with their bigs is an adjustment. How they handle defensive assignments is an adjustment.
I don't think they need major overhaul, but there are some definite concerns.
iirc, cp3 only scored once on green. green shuts quick little guards down. i don't know why, but he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinoman
Does anyone seriously think the Spurs will shoot 32% again ? Miss that many free throws ? F'in please. Spurs got this. I'm actually more confident now than I was before game one. We were actually looking like we were going to get back in that game, PLAYING TERRIBLE. Seriously, this is the Clippers, man. We own these assclowns and they know it. A game 2 loss wouldn't be the end of the world. We'll crush them in SA. Just have to win one on the road this series. That's all we need.
Good for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I have a feeling the clippers blew their load tonight. Paul always starts like this, then fades at the end of the series.
:lol omfgQuote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Shoot better than 37%.
Hope they don't shoot 52%
Play Mills over CoJo
Make FT's
Thanks for your continued contribution to the topic. You have been a hero in defending TP. Now perhaps you will work your way to contributing to one of the few actual basketball discussions going on :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I gotta look again (I wont tbh) but it looked like he could easily lose him on screensQuote:
Originally Posted by Arc
Spurs played like dogshit and the Clippers didn't blow out. It's only the clippers kids.
Motherfuckers...Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Hey, on the bright side Green may have cost himself some green this offseason!
Pop didn't sound too worried. Simply said their defense played better than our offense. Mentioned Kawhi didn't handle well getting double-teamed.
Also mentioned transition D needing to get better.
Exactly. Spurs won't shoot that bad again.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachmac87
Already did.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Make FTs and bunnies.
Hope Splitter gets well.
These will help more than anything else.
It's not like the Spurs are going to address your personal concerns, dude. You're a little delusional.
He did, but it was also with Duncan on the floor, which makes it impossible to defend the perimeter, tbh..Quote:
Originally Posted by marinoman
Spurs decision making will be better in Game 2. The Clips played a great game and the Spurs shit the bed. Ball movement, please.
Tim saying the gameplan was ok, will adjust it, we couldn't hit shots and we need to be more consistent.
Leonard doesn't pass well out of the double team. Tim Duncan had that same issue for a long time, now they don't double him. There's no more room under the radar for the Spurs, everyone knows what they do because so many other teams are doing it as well. You stop them by stopping a couple guys, Kawhi and Danny. Danny just has to be picked up as he crosses half court, and Leonard has to be swarmed when he touches the ball because he's not a great ball handler and isn't tall enough to see over the DT.Quote:
Originally Posted by benstanfield
How the Spurs address that is small ball. They run the shit out of the tempo, keeping Chris Paul as the primary scorer for the Clippers and making Blake and Jordan run all over the place. Spurs are in the front court, they need to run small ball with Tony, Marco, Patty, Danny and Boris, and put KL in there now and again to spell one of them and get some steals.
Also, hit the free throws. You won't win many games shooting 50% from the FT line.
Hack-a-Jordan won't work if you cannot secure the rebound or if you turn the ball over at the other end of the floor. Still, I don't think employing it before the half is a good idea. You get your guys unnecessary fouls and the opponent is about to go into the lockerrooms anyhow, so they'll not have momentum regardless.
The problem I see is that Pop makes a mental assessment of their chances playing head to head and he doesn't see the Spurs as being where they need to be, so he does everything he can do to put his fingerprints on the game to alter it somehow. That's bad and good. It's bad because it writes the team off before they get a chance to win, and it's good because it shakes up what Pop sees as a losing situation otherwise. Not because of the game delaying, but when he started that in the 2nd quarter, that intentional fouling, I felt like Pop thought the game was over already, and that turned me off to the game. I didn't care if they lost after that. That sucks, but that's how it is.
That's just a random internet throw away line. No one thinks what they type on here will be implemented by the actual Spurs. This is a Spurs board and this is a basketball discussion thread. Making FT's isnt an adjustment. That's just something every team tries to do. Requires no actual planning.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Not sure why you are more interested in arguing than contributing something of substance and random throw away lines?? It's the same value as the Parker bashing threads.
Especially considering they double Kawhi every time he goes in the post. The offense needs to include whatever necessary for Kawhi to succeed. That's the only way we will succeed. You don't play a non-shooter next to someone that demands a double team.Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
Hit free throws.
Play Patty Mills more.
Danny Green needs to shoot mid range jumpers if he gets ran off the line. If I was the coaching staff, Id tell him: Dont dribble more than twice and never ask for screens at all.
Parker/Green/Ginobili/Diaw a combined 11/44
Maybe call some plays to get some open looks. "Tony Dribble" isn't working.
I know you're a betting man and you do pretty well, but don't bet on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Who's arguing?Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
You're trying to pick a fight because I only listed the two main things I though would help the most. You aren't satisfied with my plan for game two. Well again -- good for you. I'm not here to please you, so quit being a bitch about it.
Code Words: 'We got this. I'll actually coach the next games.'Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I'm just hoping one of Griffin, Paul, or Crawford come back down to earth.
Nathan89 for head coach tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan89
Spurs won't shoot that bad again but Jordan was a big reason why they shot bad tonight
Kawhi is a bench player on your small ball lineup?:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DMC
I would let Messina coach...
Spurs won't win this series if crawford continues to shit on them like he has all season. Dude eats Manu for lunch and then shits him out and flushes him.
Agreed. It's just odd for someone who's such a hero on the board in defending the honor TP to take such short cuts in an actual legit basketball thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
Hell, there are many times when I might even agree it comes down to "making shots" with very little changes/game planning needed elsewhere. I just don't truly believe that is the case in the playoffs/this series. There is an element of that in order to be in strking distance, but there was more to the game than that from what I personally saw.
Tony said his ankle will be sore tomorrow, but he should be fine by Wednesday
I'm just here to talk basketball. That literally makes no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
So we disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Great.
We don't have to agree.
What part of that do you not understand?
Just quit being a bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Everything will be OK.
hey look, DPG is back.
Kawhi is the best iso player on the Spurs when Tony and Manu aren't on, but he doesn't have that navigational mental lock with the other guys that Patty, Boris, Marco and Manu have (I should have mentioned Manu). Kawhi looks like he has to think about what he's supposed to do when he gets the ball. He'll take a couple dribbles in and then step back out and pass it to someone else. They all do that at times, but the big 3 don't seem to have him on their radar when the ball is moving around. He'll get some looks, but they don't look scripted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan89
Quick, crisp passing. None of this slow, high-arcing shit that everybody was throwing around all night.
You seem to be getting angry. It's really odd. I will type something negative about TP so you can get back into your comfort zone. I'm just here to talk basketball.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I might need to make some "adjustments" to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
So why are you not talking basketball? It's really odd that someone who is just here to talk basketball is not talking basketball.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
It's not like we were missing wide open jumpers. We missed some, but a lot of those misses were forced up last second heaves that had little to no chance of going in, including a few air balls as I recall, and some "no iron" shots by Tim and the Banger. That's because we didn't move the ball well, we were slow on offense, and guys were deferring too much. Ball moving is great when it's for a better look, but not as a hot potato move.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Crofl. Chump meltdown after getting fucked like Tony Parker tonight.
lol it's not like I started multiple meltdown threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
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Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
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