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And shout to Mikeanaro for posting the original link.
Lol gothicevita.com
Just read the article. Very little personal opinion and mostly facts and stats.
I concur, with education and appropriate language we can have stats and facts that show us dude is hurting the team.
At least he is not bisexual like Antonia.
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Originally Posted by Mikeanaro
Preaching to the choir. Only faggots deny this shit.
Great read, tbh
Some how it's all supposed to change in the playoffs. :lmao
Pop is one unreasonable faggot. :lmao
Why are you posting an article from January. Those stats are stale and reflect mostly his play while overcoming injuries. Where are the stats the last few weeks of the season when the Spurs were on a roll? Let me guess, you don't have any of those stats. Well, without those, then this article is inconclusive and you don't know if the stats mean anything today.
Bahahahahahahahahahahshahaha. He is playing worse now then ever. Geezus you're a fucking retard.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
This guy almost has more excuses than Tony Parker.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
so much new information i just got from this january article :lol
Don't be a faggot. He's played bad all season. And he is playing bad now. The stats are very much relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Actually, he has played better than back in January. You are the retard as you can't even acknowledge the fact that the article is outdated. I'm not even a Parker fan, but I struggle to accept ignorant commentary and if you were at all honest in your criticism of Parker, you would acknowledge the holes, but you are just a blanket hater, which is a wonder why I have even bothered engaging you. Well, I only did it for today because I was looking for someone to argue with.Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
Cd98, has managed to come up with multiple excuses for Parkers shit play. Impressive.
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This is your etherer? SMH Barrel lickers.
Aaron McGuire works as a statistician for a moderately large financial services company
No he hasn't you tard. He's been shit all season. Post stats or gtfo.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
So now stats don't mean anything?:lmao Parker fans.
I'll still go for the eye test. I haven't seen a surefire way to remove Parker from heavy minutes against starters and have ball movement. If Bobo didn't fall off a cliff I'd take a flier on point forward. IF Kyle weren't a rookie.....if manu werent getting older......if Mills could actually play PG....if cojo could be consistent.
I'm actually a Pop fan. And because I am a Pop fan, I side with him on idiot takes like Patty Mills or COJO should play 30 minutes a game over Parker. Again, if we had CP3 on our team, yes, I'd want him to play over Parker, but we don't. We have Parker, and he's been good enough to win 4 titles with during his career, so he's good enough to start and get us to the promised land. He's not my 6th favorite player on the team, but I'm a Spurs fan, not a player fan, and I prefer we go with the guys that can best win a title. And 30 minutes of Mills or COJO ain't it.
i know he's been bad. what i dont know is why you felt urged to start yet another thread just to reiterate it yet againQuote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
Hahahahaha, let's post some Tim Duncan articles from 2010 to prove he's not a good player while we're at it!Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
No, they mean he was struggling back in January. And it's true, he was. But he picked up his play. And one thing you fail to understand is that stats tell you one limited thing and you can only extrapolate so much information from the stats. Which is why smart people like Pop aren't fooled by stats that show guys like Mills and COJO have less turnovers than Parker, because he knows that they don't have the ball like Parker and he knows that he doesn't want them to handle the ball in half court against pressure, that's why he plays them with Manu and has Manu handle. If you were honest in your assessment of the article, you would admit these things, but you're just a blind hater without true logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
In general the stats were skewed by the injury recovery, by ceding the offense to other players, and yeah by sucking.
BTW, LOrd Diaz, what am i arguing? I believe the current battle cry is:
Kawhi is the alpha, lets judge him as alpha.
But nope. You couldn't handle that, and so five-ten threads, 20 hours, and lots of spin, here we are.
Who better to do it than a statistician
what's up with that guys pic? He cropped out another guy. Not that that's wrong, but you can't take a damn decent selfie to put on your part time sports blog.
Apparently stats don't matter now or for some unknown reason a guys whose job is literally stats isn't qualified.:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Nathan89
ON/OFF COURT IMPACT
Virtually everyone is aware of the on/off impact that Kawhi Leonard has had this year with the Spurs. When Kawhi's on the court, they've played excellent ball. When he's not, they've been... shaky, to say the least. Fewer are aware of the fact that Tony Parker's on-court presence has been essentially the opposite. With Parker on the court, San Antonio has been outscored by one point. Their defense has been atrocious and their offense has been below par. With Parker off, they've been absolutely excellent, outscoring opponents by 7.6 points. Here are some simple numbers on San Antonio's team performance with Tony Parker on and off the court from the current season:
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I'd love to see his update in April. I don't think Parker haters would like it as much. Again, I'm not a Parker fan; I can acknowledge that his game has slipped a little and I acknowledge when he plays poorly, but I also don't overblow his decline, especially to the stupidity of thinking we are a better team with Patty or COJO playing 30 minutes a game. If you are a true Spur fan, you don't want that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan89
HAHAAA Finance, where you can buy and sell freely. Basketball, where you have signed contracts and have team synergy, but god damn, Morey is the best GM hands down.
Truth nukesQuote:
Originally Posted by K...
:lol shurtbus
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Originally Posted by K...
Yes, except you left out the logic, like that Parker plays against the starters, which we play about evenly, and our bench dominates, as the second highest scoring bench in the league against other non-starters. Play Parker against the second unit, and I bet they do better. Maybe you can also ask for an update to the report to reflect all the numbers and not half the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
let's see some stats fellas. don't just talk out of your ass.
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Nope, you're still wrong. And post some stats to back up what you're saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
"This chart shows the on minus off performance in each of the metrics above. As an example, compare the 2015: ON - OFF column to the chart above. Note that eFG is calculated by 0.505 - 0.509 = - 0.004. Same is true of all the columns. Red indicates something that's bad for that column (for instance, the Spurs defended 11.5 points worse per 100 possessions with Tony on the court in the 2010 playoffs), green indicates something good (the Spurs net rating was 20.5 points per 100 possessions better with Tony on the court in the 2012 playoffs), and yellow indicates mediocrity or generally something close to zero. You'll note that with the singular exception of this year's increased on-court assist rate, Parker's play has been more detrimental to the Spurs this year than it's ever been in San Antonio's recent run. The past few years has seen a steady erosion of Parker's value. They've played better with Parker off the court than they have with him on it ever since the 2013 regular season. You know, two years ago.
There are a bunch of mitigating factors that should be considered here. To specify:
- Parker tends to face starters and San Antonio's bench mob tends to destroy teams off the bench, inflating +/- differences.
- The playoff numbers from 2010 to 2013 are comparing wildly different minute profiles, as he spent 70%+ of San Antonio's minutes on the floor.
- Parker suffered injuries in the 2013 playoffs that significantly compromised his value.
All those factors considered, this still isn't good when it comes to this season's performance. Perhaps it's enough to explain and mitigate his performance last year, but not when the difference is as drastic as this year. Parker's performance has also overlapped highly with most of San Antonio's best performers this season, which makes it harder to justify the bench mob talk."
it won't end until Parker retires tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Yet you clowns have no stats to back up your statements.Quote:
Originally Posted by SASdynasty!
Let's see some stats for the whole year, not January stats that only tell part of the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
Where are your Parker is helping the team stats? all I see is complaining...Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
that's the whole story. and you're the one claiming parker has been better. prove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
List of parkerfans cd/98 excuses
1. Stats are skewed.
2. Stats are not relevant now because Parker is supposedly playing better.
3. Statistician in question is not relevant even though his job is statistician.
What will 4 be?
Note that underlined and also note that he is using numbers from January and before, where Parker was playing some atrocious basketball. He picked up his game in February, and especially March, so its hard to know what the true numbers are. But even if the numbers show a decline from Parker, what they don't show is that the Spurs are better if you play Mills or COJO against NBA starters for 30 minutes. Those numbers aren't in his analysis, which is why ultimately, your conclusion that the Spurs should bench Parker and start Mills or COJO and play them 30 minutes is absurd. And Coach Pop would call you an idiot if you went to his press conference and asked him why he bothers starting Parker over COJO and Mills.Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
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Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
I'm not a statistician, and of course, neither are you. You pull an old article because that's the only thing you can find on the internet. You have no idea what those stats even mean, which is why you provide no analysis and just take what the guy says as gospel. It's annoying, but typical of a fan that has an agenda, regardless of facts or circumstances. Now, I know that Parker has played better because his numbers improved and he has looked much better than he did in January. You may disagree, but I don't really care because the ultimate proof is that Pop, who knows more about basketball than you know about starting repetitive threads, starts Parker over Mills and COJO, and won't play either over Parker for 30 minutes because that would be counterproductive for the team. As a Spurs fan, I want the optimal players playing, as a Parker hater, you would rather lose than see the Spurs win with Parker.Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
The problem is Parker is still playing like shit. You have no stats to back up what you say. You desperately want the Spurs to win with Parker for some reason. idgaf who the spurs win with as long as they win. You are confusing Parker playing well with the team playing well. Plenty of players put up good stat lines but don't make their teams better. 1 on 1 Parker would destroy Cojo or Mills but 1 on 1 doesn't matter. He is bad for the team and rarely makes anyone around him better. The stats back that up. So you can keep spinning and deflecting and making excuses but stats don't lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
How would one know if he is playing better than he was in January?Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
He plays better now?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
So why does Coach Pop, who has more data than you (he's got more than a January article) and who is competitive and wants to win and is recognized as the best coach in the game and one of the greatest all time, why oh why does he play Parker over Mills and COJO? Could you explain that? And when you're done, I'd love to hear your theories on who shot Kennedy and if a man really did walk on the moon.Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
How would one know? That's my question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeanaro
Thats debatable and thats what we are discussing here yet some of Parker´s defenders dont have any stat or something to give, they said a 2 months article is old and the dude who wrote it is ugly but they didnt show their faces.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Because Parker is a bitch, tbh. And Pop has benched him plenty before. Just because he's a great coach doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes. He's shit the bed plenty of times. The media is just too chicken shit to call him on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
So you don't know if Parker is playing any better since the article was written.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeanaro
OK.
We aren't making the claim, cd98 is and he has yet to post any stats that show Parker is playing better.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Be specific. :cryQuote:
Originally Posted by Mikeanaro
Link?Quote:
Originally Posted by SupremeGuy
OK, so none of you know if he has played better since the article was written.Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
I'm fine with that.
Someone post stats saying otherwise. O right. There aren't any. :lmao
Not the one saying that he is. OKQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Post some stats saying otherwise faggot. Do your homework.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by dabom
Nope, he is declining so I say he is not playing better, have you seen any moment where Parker recovers his speed? he always was the weakest Big 3 player and lucky to play with prime Duncan and prime Manu, Speedy Claxton was 3 millions years ago, but there was a Patty Mills last season during the Playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
His court impact is most times negative even when scoring 25 points, dribble dribble etc.
No, I havent seen anything good since February to say he´s a better player, just the opposite.
I made no claims either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
I just pointed out that neither you nor anyone know if he has played better or worse or the same since the article was written.
I'm fine with that.
What is your proof of this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeanaro
Do you have the stats like the statistician has presented?
Your not saying anything then. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Okay, so you're saying his play has stayed the same? Okay, that means he is playing like shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I said plenty.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
No, I explicitly said you don't know if he is playing the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
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Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
The two wins thst Spurs had against over Clippers this year Parker averaged over 20 points and 10 assists. The one loss h had scored less then 10 points and 5 assists. I'd say based on those stats it's quite evident that Parker contribution to th team is important in beating LAC.
I think that's the correct conclusion. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
No, you said you don't know if he's playing better or worse. if that's the case then he's playing the same which means he is playing like shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Do you have stats like the person in the article to back up your claim?Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
How about you, rob?
Did you see him in game 1 2015 playoffs first round last night? Not some fucking regular season game. It's quite evident from last night more Enrique is a quick series for the clippers. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan
No, that isn't the case at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
Read slower and with less rage.
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Yeah, most of his games had a negative impact, he was a negative player even when he was young and healthy so make your own conclusions.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Do you have any stat that proves otherwise?
Dont you have anything to bring to the table other than questioning facts?
He sucks and you cant spin that fact.
Rob and I showed stats, what can Parker fans give to discuss?
Chump can you give us a 101 on fallacies? :lmao
I haven't seen a comparison of the stats put forth in the article with those stats put up after the article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeanaro
Did you post them all somewhere?
The same means worst than shit because we are in the playoffs were serious game happens, but as you said if its the same its shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
Can you give a comparison of the stats put forth in the article with those stats put up after the article?Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
:lolchump
How do you know it's the same?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeanaro
No no, I havent seen you putting any info at all as I said, just questioning like an old man who just forget how to cross the street.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Because he is not better, so its same or worst.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
You made a claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeanaro
I didn't.
You did nothing to back up the claim.
How do you know he's not better? How do you know he is the same or worse?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeanaro
Found it. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Found what?Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Chump stop trying too hard. :lmao
Not even trying. This is way too easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
lol classic chump... :lol
derailing threads he doesn't like while contributing nothing to the discussion
You never claim anything, he is shit so I dont need to come here with an exhaust scientific test trying to convince everybody he is gassed, done and hurts the team to make some stupid shots adding no defense or balls to the game, eating important minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Can someone explain this thread to me? :cry
Be specific. :cry
Actually I'm asking for proof of the claim that was made that Parker is playing the same or worse than he was according to the stats cited from January.Quote:
Originally Posted by SupremeGuy
Simple stuff.
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Originally Posted by SupremeGuy
How do you know he is? what are your observations to say he is better? he is shiet.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by SupremeGuy
I never made the claim that he is playing better or worse or the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeanaro
You made the claim he is playing the same.
Do you have the stats used in the article since January to back up your claim?
Lol Porker is blind at this point, dribbling the ball screaming ¨WHERE ARE YOU TIM DUNCAN? WHERE ARE YOU¨
I dont need stats that article was enough to show he is a negative player collecting lots of info, there is no evidence he is playing better so why someone would said that?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper