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It's obviously very subjective. If you're starting a team today, would you build around him? I think the answer is more clear with some guys than others, and even when you think the answer is "yes", sometimes it works out (Tim, Dirk, Lebron, etc), and sometimes it does not (Vince Carter, T-Mac, etc). I don't know right at this minute that Kawhi is a guy I would build a team around.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
If his coach or team don't give him the ball is because he's not demanding it in the locker room. Not franchise type leadership imoQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Don't get me wrong, I love Kawhi and what he brings to the team, tbh.. that has nothing to do with this discussion.
Can u imagine if Jordan had not gotten the ball enough in a game??? :lol
DPOY defense. Like best defender in the NBA player.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Draws double teams. His game does not revolve around athleticism. His big hands and long arms allows him to dunk with like 20 inches off the ground jumping. He can dunk on you if he really does want to though.
His offensive skill is limitless. He has a post up game. A floater game. A mid range game. A good 3 point shot. Does not break under pressure. He is a frnachise player to me. His team is in a transition and you know how transitions look. Just look at earlier in the year. The team couldn't play around kawhi and it hurt kawhis game. This whole season and postseason is a transition period. O and the cavs sucked ass for a lot of years when they had lebron. It takes time. I see the IT in him. I don't know if other people can recognize it besides me some other limited posters and Pop. Before even the first playoffs of kawhi's career, I was already calling him something special.
Fair enough. I made this thread to gather opinions, all of them are valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
We lost yesterday because everyone except like 3 players decided to play their worst basketball of the season. Manu kawhi and mills played good basketbal yesterday.
:lol let it go, has nothing to do with the last gameQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
I love Leonard, but he's not in the Tim Duncan conversation, or really any of the Big 3 in their primes...yet. I'm not sure he has the offensive tools to be that kind of player. A great defensive player...a force on that side of the ball, and an above-average offensive player by NBA standards.
Put very good talent around Leonard and he'll make them great...the difference you need to win in the playoffs, but he won't take a team of average talent and make them great the way Tim or David Robinson could. You won't insert him into a team and suddenly pick up 30 more regular season wins. He's the Scottie Pippen to Michael Jordan...the Spurs "Michael Jordan" has been the Big 3 these last 3+ years for him.
Scottie was 29 years old when he lead the league in defensive rating. Kawhi is fucking 23. He's going to be better than Manu and Tony for sure. No one has compared him to Tim or DRob in their primes. Do people understand that every team has a salary cap. You can't pay Kawhi max and somehow end up with nothing but role players. The NBA has never been about 1 player ever. DRob sure couldn't do it by himself. And do people realize Kawhi is fucking 23 years old. Not even NEAR his fucking prime. :lmao And Kawhi ain't scottie. He is jordan on this team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Helicopter Jones
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Originally Posted by hater
ElNono showing trolls how proper trolling is done :tu
I think Kawhi deserves a max deal, and I believe the Spurs are gong to give him one. And I'm loving his continued emergence...I've been a supporter since he was at SDSU. My thought is that time will tell on his overall impact to this team and this league, but as of now, he doesn't have the offensive tools to be a franchise player. And if you look at how far he's come offensively since his SDSU days I'd say he could certainly get there. He'll never be a Duncan or a Robinson, though. Third place on the all-time Spurs list wouldn't be bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
He's good player but not great - the likes of Horry, Artest, etc. Cant be franchise.
He's not quite there yet but really it's a relatively small offensive improvement that would propel him to HOF'er level. Of course the league is full of names that could never quite make the jump from really good to great but given the rate of Kawhi's offensive improvement I don't see any reason not to think he will get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Another way of thinking about it is if Kawhi had stayed in college and was just coming into the NBA with his current skillset do you think he would be the #1 pick and be touted as the future of a franchise. I think the answer is an obvious yes.
Kawhi's "legacy"?
I really don't understand the use of this term. The guy is just about to grow into being the main guy on a team. I know he won Finals MVP last season, but he wasn't the main guy on this Spurs team last playoffs. Talking about any kind of legacy seems awfully premature.
EL-N is using satire. Judging by the non-capitalized first letter, looks like crappypasta
Lol, the legacy of a 23 yr old.
Crap. My bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
It's a legit topic by ST standards.
He aint leading shiet, with Parker running the show Kiwi is just another role player sadly, sure he is getting more touches but do you guys feels like this is his team like for example Paul George with Indiana or Derrick Rose with the Bulls?
No I don't feel like the Spurs are a shitty team with no chance at a ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeanaro
Not trolling, tbh... there's been talk about Kawhi being great and our next franchise guy. He's been to two NBA Finals, 3 three WCF and earned a Finals MVP in his young career.
Everything could certainly sputter out sooner or later, and he can certainly do worse with a shittier roster (which is always in the cards), but if he does turn out to be great, it's inevitable to have this kind of conversations... what he's done with this or that roster, etc.
There's great then there's legendary. He won't be legendary, but he's already great.