Tony Parker achilles injury thread

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Originally Posted by ESPN

LOS ANGELES -- Add right Achilles to the list of injuries sustained thus far by Tony Parker over the first two games of San Antonio's Western Conference playoff series against the Los Angeles Clippers. Parker left with a little more than five minutes left to play in the fourth quarter Wednesday night in the team's 111-107 overtime win over the Clippers due to tightness in his right Achilles, and his status for Game 3 is uncertain. Parker also tweaked his left ankle during the team's Game 1 loss, in addition to suffering a bruise on his left quadriceps.

Tony Parker was 0-for-6 from the field in Wednesday's win. "I honestly don't know," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said when asked to update Parker's condition. "He went to the locker room and didn't come back."

Parker played nearly 30 minutes in Wednesday's win over the Clippers, but contributed only one point, and missed all six of his field goal attempts. Even though Parker had five assists and one steal, perhaps the injuries played a role in his lack of production.

Back on April 7, Parker was forced to leave a rout of the Oklahoma City Thunder due to tightness in his right Achilles, and after Wednesday's game acknowledged he suffered the same injury against the Clippers.

Spurs forward Tim Duncan said he's "very concerned" about Parker's injury.

"I hope he's able to play and play well for us," Duncan said. "We need him for that. He's a big part of what we do. So him not at 100 percent hurts us. But we'll see. He's a gamer. He's going to go, and he's going to get treatment for the next 48 hours. And when that ball goes up, I guarantee he'll be out there because that's the kind of player he is."

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2015/story/_/id/12746266/2015-nba-playoffs-tony-parker-san-antonio-spurs-leaves-tight-right-achilles

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Should we be concerned about this injury going forward? We may have gotten away with the win this time around, but the Spurs aren't going anywhere without a healthy Tony.

Pretty sure they went to the finals and won it without a healthy Tony last year.

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Originally Posted by Uriel

Should we be concerned about this injury going forward? We may have gotten away with the win this time around, but the Spurs aren't going anywhere without a healthy Tony.

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Yes they are. If Patty continues to play like he did tonight, Spurs don't need Parker. I say play him minimal minutes and let Cojo and Mills carry the load at home.

Last night Parker had about 4 or 5 occasion where he could have done his one man fast break and just let up. That clearly told me he is not even 80% healthy. He is definitely hurting and Pop should just ride the Patty wave right now and let Tony heal up.

As mentioned in another thread I see the Spurs get to the WCF without him, but even further ... I doubt it.

Damn great words from Duncan towards our MVP.

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Originally Posted by Fireball

As mentioned in another thread I see the Spurs get to the WCF without him, but even further ... I doubt it.

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I dunno. Houston seems great...or is it Dallas self-destruction? :lol

Last year we had to closeout games without him and we did fine.
I think we can manage for the next game and see if he is better for the second game at home.
Plus, with the resurgence of Patty, Ginobili would be able to return to the role hehad in last year´s playoffs at what he excelled.
Cory Joseph should replace Parker as the starter role, and we must solidify our second unit of Patty, Manu, Beli, Tiago and Bonner.
It would be nice if Bonner also awakens.

Right now, Parker = Kobe. And not in a good way.

We ain't getting too far without Parker

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Originally Posted by lmbebo

We ain't getting too far without Parker

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he will be needed most vs. Houston

get well parker

Lol faking injuries like Kobe

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Originally Posted by lefty

Lol faking injuries like Kobe

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Lol fan fiction

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Originally Posted by 100%duncan

Pretty sure they went to the finals and won it without a healthy Tony last year.

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Tony still played like a top-50 player in the 2014 playoffs. Came up big in each series, despite inconsistency game to game.

This current version of Tony that can't score is a very serious issue. The reason the Spurs offense worked last night when Tony was on the floor was that, unlike Spurstalk trolls, Tony still commands a ton of respect from the players, coaches and defense. Clippers gameplan for Tony and his penetration still results in switches and rotations, which opens up opportunities for the motion offense.

If the Clippers let up on the defense of Tony and he can't capitalize, then the Spurs will be in more trouble.

yup. even Reggie Miller was saying tonight Parker is getting into the paint which helps the Spurs.

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Originally Posted by Cowboys_Wear_Spurs

Yes they are. If Patty continues to play like he did tonight, Spurs don't need Parker. I say play him minimal minutes and let Cojo and Mills carry the load at home.

Last night Parker had about 4 or 5 occasion where he could have done his one man fast break and just let up. That clearly told me he is not even 80% healthy. He is definitely hurting and Pop should just ride the Patty wave right now and let Tony heal up.

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This. Patty and CoJo are okay in the interim but long term a healthy TP is needed.

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Originally Posted by spursparker9

I dunno. Houston seems great...or is it Dallas self-destruction? :lol

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Rondo leaving may actually help Dallas win a couple of games but Houston will win the series.

tony has been pulling this trick way too often this year.

Parker is hurting the team with all his explosiveness gone. He's so gimpy he can't even shoot a jumper. 11 points, 6 assists in two games. 4 for 17 shooting. In 59 minutes!

I am as big a fan of TP as anyone, but we won despite him last night. 5 assists but only 1 point on 0-6 shooting.

The team has not really ever been reliant on TP as a playmaker. We can't win playing 4 on 5 in the playoffs. Mills brings scoring and energy more than sufficient for us and has huge Juevos.

TP was abysmal in our closeout game against Miami yet we still dominated. He caught fire late in that game but it's not like we didn't have a murderer's row of assailants that couldn't have done the same thing in driving those nails into Miami's coffin.

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Originally Posted by Knoxxx

Parker is hurting the team with all his explosiveness gone. He's so gimpy he can't even shoot a jumper. 11 points, 6 assists in two games. 4 for 17 shooting. In 59 minutes!

I am as big a fan of TP as anyone, but we won despite him last night. 5 assists but only 1 point on 0-6 shooting.

The team has not really ever been reliant on TP as a playmaker. We can't win playing 4 on 5 in the playoffs. Mills brings scoring and energy more than sufficient for us and has huge Juevos.

TP was abysmal in our closeout game against Miami yet we still dominated. He caught fire late in that game but it's not like we didn't have a murderer's row of assailants that couldn't have done the same thing in driving those nails into Miami's coffin.

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Pretty much this but some guys just wont get it. Dont bother explaining.

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Originally Posted by spursparker9

I dunno. Houston seems great...or is it Dallas self-destruction? :lol

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Hmm, Dallas looked horrible an they were in the second game for 3 quarters. Houston is a tough matchup, but overall we might not need TP to beat them. Golden State instead is so good overall that all hands on deck are required.

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Originally Posted by Knoxxx

Parker is hurting the team with all his explosiveness gone. He's so gimpy he can't even shoot a jumper. 11 points, 6 assists in two games. 4 for 17 shooting. In 59 minutes!

I am as big a fan of TP as anyone, but we won despite him last night. 5 assists but only 1 point on 0-6 shooting.

The team has not really ever been reliant on TP as a playmaker. We can't win playing 4 on 5 in the playoffs. Mills brings scoring and energy more than sufficient for us and has huge Juevos.

TP was abysmal in our closeout game against Miami yet we still dominated. He caught fire late in that game but it's not like we didn't have a murderer's row of assailants that couldn't have done the same thing in driving those nails into Miami's coffin.

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Pretty much this but some guys just wont get it. Dont bother explaining.

I'm more concerned with pop playing tp so many minutes when he's obviously going half speed.

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/sp...witter-premium

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"It's been a tough year, but I think I'll be all right," said Parker, who left Wednesday's game with five minutes and 10 seconds left in the fourth quarter with soreness in his right Achilles tendon.


Parker said the injury was the same as that which he suffered in a game in Oklahoma City on April 7.


"Same thing, same thing," he said. "I think I put too much pressure on the right ankle because of the soreness in my left ankle."

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No matter what happens these playoffs, Tony is going to have to take a serious look at getting healthier over the summer (and in better shape) if he wants to continue to be a top PG in the NBA.

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Originally Posted by Beaverfuzz

No matter what happens these playoffs, Tony is going to have to take a serious look at getting healthier over the summer (and in better shape) if he wants to continue to be a top PG in the NBA.

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Time to hit the Duncan regiment for his diet to be honest.

tony needs to take a trip to south beach or overseas to germany

No question he needs to take the summer off. He's played so many games during his career, that he is not a normal NBA 32 year old. Some will question if he is really injured. I don't. He looked slow, which is out of character for a guy that is still recognized as one of the fastest players in the NBA. He needs every bit of that speed to be effective, so any injury that slows him down at 32, can really cause him to produce subpar performances. This is a tough series to not have your starting point guard because Chris Paul is so good, and while our backups can win a game or two, I'd be worried about them holding up after Rivers has time to game plan Tony being out. I also think it is nonsense to compare Tony to Rondo. For one, Tony is a capable scorer and can make free throws. Even when he is having an off shooting night, the opposing team is not going to let him get his shots or put a subpar defender on him. Second, Rondo quit on the team. Tony isn't quitting on the Spurs. We have a team of character guys, and if Tony was a quitter, Pop would have dropped him long ago. Rondo and Tony may both be struggling right now, but Tony's struggles are likely injury related, while Rondo's are that he could never shoot and now he is pouting and not trying because RC is not giving him the reins.

Parker is hurting the team with all his explosiveness gone. He's so gimpy he can't even shoot a jumper. 11 points, 6 assists in two games. 4 for 17 shooting. In 59 minutes!

Disagree with hurt. Defense yes, not really. He's mostly a non issue.

I am as big a fan of TP as anyone, but we won despite him last night. 5 assists but only 1 point on 0-6 shooting.

You were a big fan. Now you're off he list.

The team has not really ever been reliant on TP as a playmaker. We can't win playing 4 on 5 in the playoffs. Mills brings scoring and energy more than sufficient for us and has huge Juevos.

I have a special hearty lol for this one. Rely? Yeah I guess we could wear out number one and number two options: Tim and Manu. Sucks having a guy who could break down defenses when we already had two.


TP was abysmal in our closeout game against Miami yet we still dominated. He caught fire late in that game but it's not like we didn't have a murderer's row of assailants that couldn't have done the same thing in driving those nails into Miami's coffin.

Yup, would totally be cool if that could happen all time every time and of we had those murderers row back in 2004-2012.-

We basically won last year without him...

this series isn't for Porky tbh.

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Eva Longoria says hubby Tony Parker fakes on-court injuries
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Wednesday 23rd January, 2008
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Washington, January 23 : Desperate Housewives star Eva Longoria has revealed that her husband, basketball player Tony Parker, often fakes his on-court injuries.

The actress says that she really finds it difficult to watch her husband play for the San Antonio Spurs because she never knows when he is actually hurt, and when he is acting.

"Sometimes he acts to get the flagrant foul or, to sell the foul more, he'll throw himself on the floor and really play it up more than what it is," Contactmusic quoted her as saying.

"I really don't know what the difference is so I'm like, 'Stop laying on the ground if you're not hurt. Just get up!' He's like, 'Honey, I have to stay on the ground sometimes.' But I get really nervous, it's nail biting," she added.

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Originally Posted by SupremeGuy

We basically won last year without him...

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Sorry, but I heartily disagree. Sure he had uneven performances, but he had some great performances in each series. Losing our starting point guard and best ball handler would be big. Sure some guys can step up, but teams can take advantage of our bench players' weaknesses when they have time to game plan. Notice how the Spurs mostly could not play Cojo because his lack of an offense give allows the Clippers to play 4 on 5 and it just kills the Spurs offense. Have my worries about Patty playing big minutes as well, but love what he did yesterday...he's definitely back to playing his game.

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Originally Posted by Hemotivo

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years with Manu do that to anyone tbh

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Originally Posted by Uriel

"He went to the locker room and didn't come back."

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:wow

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Originally Posted by cd98

Sorry, but I heartily disagree. Sure he had uneven performances, but he had some great performances in each series. Losing our starting point guard and best ball handler would be big. Sure some guys can step up, but teams can take advantage of our bench players' weaknesses when they have time to game plan. Notice how the Spurs mostly could not play Cojo because his lack of an offense give allows the Clippers to play 4 on 5 and it just kills the Spurs offense. Have my worries about Patty playing big minutes as well, but love what he did yesterday...he's definitely back to playing his game.

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pretty much.

if parker is out, this series is lost.

he still runs the engine. too bad most fans are too stupid to see this.

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Originally Posted by Hemotivo

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I don't have a dog in the hunt here, but basically every player in the NBA does this.

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Originally Posted by hater

years with Manu do that to anyone tbh

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http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/24/33/56.../7/960x540.jpg

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Originally Posted by hater

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Originally Posted by Hemotivo

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:lmao

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Originally Posted by SupremeGuy

We basically won last year without him...

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And by "without him" you mean he was our leading scorer and distributor throughout the regular season and playoffs, was our only All-Star, our only All-NBA player, came through in our only elimination game of the season, and led the team in scoring in the Finals. So yah, "basically," lol

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Originally Posted by SASdynasty!

And by "without him" you mean he was our leading scorer and distributor throughout the regular season and playoffs, was our only All-Star, our only All-NBA player, came through in our only elimination game of the season, and led the team in scoring in the Finals. So yah, "basically," lol

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And the team was statistically better when was on the bench throughout the playoffs:lol..

:lol using popularity awards and points scored as an argument

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Originally Posted by SASdynasty!

And by "without him" you mean he was our leading scorer and distributor throughout the regular season and playoffs, was our only All-Star, our only All-NBA player, came through in our only elimination game of the season, and led the team in scoring in the Finals. So yah, "basically," lol

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Tim and Kawhi have been carrying that scrub for 2 years, bitch. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it, but you're too much of a bitch-ass player-fan to ever admit it. You're the same fucking idiot that tried to deflect blame for game 1. "Basically," stop being such a bitch. :toast

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Originally Posted by Malik Hairston

And the team was statistically better when was on the bench throughout the playoffs:lol..

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:lol

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Originally Posted by Malik Hairston

And the team was statistically better when was on the bench throughout the playoffs:lol..

:lol using popularity awards and points scored as an argument

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:lol Clippers in 7

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Originally Posted by Brazil

:lol Clippers in 7

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Spurs only need 1 of Parker/Ginobili to play at a high level to make a run, as we have seen the past 2 years..if they are both going to struggle, Spurs will struggle..

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Originally Posted by in2deep

yup. even Reggie Miller was saying tonight Parker is getting into the paint which helps the Spurs.

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He also said it would be impossible for The Spurs to beat the Clippers if Parker doesn't play great, just like he said during game 6 of the OKC series..:lol vanilla fans and media

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Originally Posted by Cowboys_Wear_Spurs

Time to hit the Duncan regiment for his diet to be honest.

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Stick to the salmon burgers from HEB.

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Originally Posted by Brazil

:lol Clippers in 7

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The series is 1-1..

The Spurs don't need Parker to win this series.

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Originally Posted by Malik Hairston

And the team was statistically better when was on the bench throughout the playoffs:lol..

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Team had the best winning margin when Parker was out last year as well. Stats proved last year, the Spurs were a better team both offensively and defensively when Parker was not on the floor.

Parker, for the most part last year, was like the Love's, Anthony's, etc of the league, just a stat padder.

But he did have that one game against Dallas (Game 5), not game 7 as the Spurs would have won that even without Parker, that was crucial for them.

So one game could have been the difference in a 1st round exit or a championship. That is why I think Pop should play him sparsely and let him heal, so he will be ready for when the Spurs do need him.

Really wish we hadn't contracted him for so much $$ - I would not be opposed to seeing him on another team next season.

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Originally Posted by Cowboys_Wear_Spurs

Team had the best winning margin when Parker was out last year as well. Stats proved last year, the Spurs were a better team both offensively and defensively when Parker was not on the floor.

Parker, for the most part last year, was like the Love's, Anthony's, etc of the league, just a stat padder.

But he did have that one game against Dallas (Game 5), not game 7 as the Spurs would have won that even without Parker, that was crucial for them.

So one game could have been the difference in a 1st round exit or a championship. That is why I think Pop should play him sparsely and let him heal, so he will be ready for when the Spurs do need him.

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Parker is still a useful player, he still runs the offense well and he's the best ball-handler on the team..however, as we saw last year, the team doesn't need him..it's helpful when he looks right like he did in game 7 vs Dallas, of course..

Parker is the engine. He ran the orchestra very well last night. Sad that most fans are too dim to see this. Glad Duncan and Pop do.


Oh and if we lose Parker series is lost

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Originally Posted by hater

Parker is the engine. He ran the orchestra very well last night. Sad that most fans are too dim to see this. Glad Duncan and Pop do.


Oh and if we lose Parker series is lost

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He did in the first and later, but like Tiago, he started to fade and Pop thankfully pulled him. But if Mills continue his play, I just think Pop should let Parker heal so he can be available when the Spurs need him. Manage his minutes right now.

With Rockets current situation, even an 80% Parker would go ham on Terry/Pablo like he already did this year. If the Spurs win this series, more than likely will face them in the next round.

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Originally Posted by Cowboys_Wear_Spurs

He did in the first and later, but like Tiago, he started to fade and Pop thankfully pulled him. But if Mills continue his play, I just think Pop should let Parker heal so he can be available when the Spurs need him. Manage his minutes right now.

With Rockets current situation, even an 80% Parker would go ham on Terry/Pablo like he already did this year. If the Spurs win this series, more than likely will face them in the next round.

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Agree that we will need Parker IF we are able to face the Rox.

Agree that Patty needs to play more obviously. But we will not win this series with a PG tandem of Mills/Evita/Cojo.

It's terrible news tbh.

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Originally Posted by Malik Hairston

And the team was statistically better when was on the bench throughout the playoffs:lol..

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That doesn't work and you know it. Matt Bonner was the king of +/- for years but do you really think he was the best player on the team?

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Originally Posted by Seventyniner

That doesn't work and you know it. Matt Bonner was the king of +/- for years but do you really think he was the best player on the team?

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It works when Parker's advanced on/off metrics were astronomically worse than the rest of the team, including the other starters..if it was a small difference, I could buy that, but the disparity was massive..

Arguing that only Parker was affected and nobody else is strange..

I also don't know why people use Bonner as an example, his numbers took a significant hit in the playoffs..

get well soon... rather have able bodies in case we manage to go far...

If we run he hyper motion offense of course we can win without Parker. Really, all the "team has been better when Parker has been off floor" means is that the spurs bench offense was elite. Eye test agrees.

But if the team sucks, if the opponent cuts down on passing, spurs are totally chucked without Parker. Just like Tim, you can't ride Tim for 45 minutes a night but his useful without his hyper beast transformation.

Parker is less useful in his non aggressive state, but he still is the best rounded pg on the roster. If healthy obv.

I've said before, a championship offense has at least 2 gears. Last night it was Duncan. Tomorrow it'll be outside shooting. Game 5? I'd sure like to have Parker back by then.

We should be ok at home but overall I do think we need him atleast a little. And like someone else said Pop sticking with him when he is clearly not right is more of the concern.

So yeah, the so called "advanced stats"should really be called more complicated than usual, no more compelling than common sense.

I love the hyper motion offense, but I don't put my bank on guys like Boris, splitter, and kawhi to run an offense.

Manu, he's good.But you can't ride him a whole game much less a series.

I hope Parker isn't actually injured and that he returns and plays well, btw, don't get me wrong..the more depth, the better..

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Originally Posted by K...

So yeah, the so called "advanced stats"should really be called more complicated than usual, no more compelling than common sense.

I love the hyper motion offense, but I don't put my bank on guys like Boris, splitter, and kawhi to run an offense.

Manu, he's good.But you can't ride him a whole game much less a series.

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If Tony keeps on being hurt, we'll find out, I suppose. What I know riding a hurt Tony won't work either.

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Originally Posted by Seventyniner

Right now, Parker = Kobe. And not in a good way.

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True.

Good thing he cares about winning though or he would have finished 0-25.

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Originally Posted by Knoxxx

The team has not really ever been reliant on TP as a playmaker.

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I agree with much of what you said, except for this. The Spurs spent many years relying on his (and Manu's) penetration. And when the penetration wasn't there, they also relied on his playmaking, outside the paint, with his midrange jumper and the high PnR.

The offense has changed but he's still the best player on the team to orchestrate the offense. Ginobili can do it in spells but he's had some disastrous experiences running the point for extended periods. Patty and Cojo can be successful off the bench because opposing teams arent game-planning to take them out of the game.

Worked yesterday for 3qrs ^ tbh

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Eva Longoria says hubby Tony Parker fakes on-court injuries
Malaysia Sun

Wednesday 23rd January, 2008
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Washington, January 23 : Desperate Housewives star Eva Longoria has revealed that her husband, basketball player Tony Parker, often fakes his on-court injuries.

The actress says that she really finds it difficult to watch her husband play for the San Antonio Spurs because she never knows when he is actually hurt, and when he is acting.

"Sometimes he acts to get the flagrant foul or, to sell the foul more, he'll throw himself on the floor and really play it up more than what it is," Contactmusic quoted her as saying.

"I really don't know what the difference is so I'm like, 'Stop laying on the ground if you're not hurt. Just get up!' He's like, 'Honey, I have to stay on the ground sometimes.' But I get really nervous, it's nail biting," she added.

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Why are you quoting EVA on this? Selling a foul to the referees by flopping is not the same as faking an injury silly.

Oh...you're a Houston fan. Nevermind.

More worried about Splitter at this point. He's really the defensive key this series. Limit Griffin's offense and passing and the Spurs pretty much shut down 50% of the Clippers offense.

But don't get me wrong, Parker is important too. Spurs offense looks terrible without Parker and the Spurs can't rely on Duncan to carry the offense in a 7 game series. And I don't really want to see Ginobili make another one of those out of control 1 or 2 handed passes while in the air that ends in a turnover. Parker still needs to be out there as a decoy to create open looks at the 3 point line.

I've never liked Parker all that much.

But, anyone who thinks it's ok to not have him out there...is delusional.

Parker should read this for inspiration:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nba/post/_/i...rough-the-pain

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Originally Posted by SouthernFried

I've never liked Parker all that much.

But, anyone who thinks it's ok to not have him out there...is delusional.

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pop thinks its okay to have him out there but nobody will call him out for trotting a half dead tp out there over patty.

We can survive for a little while without Parker, unlike say Kawhi, who is our only true small forward on the roster. But Patty has defensive holes and COJO has offensive holes that will eventually be exposed if we have to rely on either to play 30 minutes while Parker rests. Trouble is, Parker isn't going to get to where we need him without rest. I guess he's just going to have to tough through it. If we beat the Clippers, his role will be less important against the Rockets as their point guards suck. A healthy Parker would be an asset in that series, but we could get by with him resting a little. If we could beat the Clippers in 5 (not even close to likely), then he might get some rest, assuming the Mavs can win a few against the Rockets, but the likely scenario for the Spurs is a 6 or 7 game series with the Clippers, and certainly no guarantee that the Spurs will survive it.

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Originally Posted by cd98

We can survive for a little while without Parker, unlike say Kawhi, who is our only true small forward on the roster. But Patty has defensive holes and COJO has offensive holes that will eventually be exposed if we have to rely on either to play 30 minutes while Parker rests. Trouble is, Parker isn't going to get to where we need him without rest. I guess he's just going to have to tough through it. If we beat the Clippers, his role will be less important against the Rockets as their point guards suck. A healthy Parker would be an asset in that series, but we could get by with him resting a little. If we could beat the Clippers in 5 (not even close to likely), then he might get some rest, assuming the Mavs can win a few against the Rockets, but the likely scenario for the Spurs is a 6 or 7 game series with the Clippers, and certainly no guarantee that the Spurs will survive it.

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I disagree, Parker is more useful vs. Houston IMO..their PG position is terrible, he shouldn't have any problems defending Terry or Prigioni, and he should be able to score at will, as we saw in one of the Houston games in April..

His defense is a bigger issue than his offense in the Clippers series IMO..part of that is Pop not putting him on Barnes for some reason, but he's having a lot of trouble staying with Paul and playing 2-way basketball..

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Originally Posted by Malik Hairston

The series is 1-1..

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:lol IIRC you said teams will win all games at home, so Clippers in 7, that's already off

it's ok brah tho timvp gave Grizz in 6... shit happens

When TP can't drive the paint it allows defenders to play their man tighter. So he can't drive the lane because he doesn't have the explosiveness, and he has nowhere to pass because everyone is covered so his only option is to go back and forth in the backcourt as the offense does the 'rocking boat' routine from side to side. Last night he had the left lane as open as a carless freeway a few times and didn't go. You know he's hurting when he doesn't take that. Healthy Parker has an easy layup there. I say rest Parker go with Mills at least at home. Spurs will be on fire in game 3. Maybe test him late in game 4. Spurs win these two at home, this one is over.

Play kyle anderson. those little guards won't know what to do.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

http://espn.go.com/blog/nba/post/_/i...rough-the-pain

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Didn't even know Conley was hurt myself, hadn't been following his team. What a warrior.

Spurs need a healthy Parker. They can survive a game or two or maybe even a series but the place where him being gone hurts is our depth. Then guys like Patty and Ginobili are asked to start and the punch of the bench isn't the same. I think it fucks with chemistry and rotations more than anything.

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Originally Posted by MateoNeygro

Spurs need a healthy Parker. They can survive a game or two or maybe even a series but the place where him being gone hurts is our depth. Then guys like Patty and Ginobili are asked to start and the punch of the bench isn't the same. I think it fucks with chemistry and rotations more than anything.

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That's why Pop will start Cojo if Parker cannot play. Mills still comes off the bench. Of course, having Tony on deck would be better.

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Originally Posted by Hemotivo

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That's called flopping bro... Your boy is the most known player in the NBA for that.

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Originally Posted by Fireball

That's why Pop will start Cojo if Parker cannot play. Mills still comes off the bench. Of course, having Tony on deck would be better.

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Yeah I get that but it's just that Cojo isn't the same threat Tony used to be. It hurts my soul that Tony isn't nearly what he used to be. Guy used to be a fucking beast and we'd be so much better with him. I guess my point is kind of moot because it seems Tony just isn't that same player anymore. I guess I'm just butt hurt lol.

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Originally Posted by MateoNeygro

Yeah I get that but it's just that Cojo isn't the same threat Tony used to be. It hurts my soul that Tony isn't nearly what he used to be. Guy used to be a fucking beast and we'd be so much better with him. I guess my point is kind of moot because it seems Tony just isn't that same player anymore. I guess I'm just butt hurt lol.

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The problem really is injuries ... he looked superb in Berlin when I watched him live and he was great during March when he was healthy. I know Cojo is no TP replacement, but I think the WCF are possible to reach without TP.

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Originally Posted by Fireball

The problem really is injuries ... he looked superb in Berlin when I watched him live and he was great during March when he was healthy. I know Cojo is no TP replacement, but I think the WCF are possible to reach without TP.

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I believe in this team no doubt. I agree they can do some serious damage as long as they play their game. I hope you are right about TP and it's not just a dramatic drop off athletically.

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Originally Posted by PublicOption

Play kyle anderson. those little guards won't know what to do.

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I'd love to see Anderson take a crack at Doc's son.

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Originally Posted by Seventyniner

That doesn't work and you know it. Matt Bonner was the king of +/- for years but do you really think he was the best player on the team?

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He's been using that retarded logic forever. Yah, the team is better without Tony...translation: our bench outscores theirs more than our starters outscore theirs. It's not that difficult...he tries to make it sound like Parker is a negative +/- or something, which is ludicrous.

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Originally Posted by Malik Hairston

And the team was statistically better when was on the bench throughout the playoffs:lol..

:lol using popularity awards and points scored as an argument

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:lmao
My bad, should have cherry-picked an advanced stat to make my point and here I am using points and coach-voted awards.

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Originally Posted by Malik Hairston

And the team was statistically better when was on the bench throughout the playoffs:lol..

:lol using popularity awards and points scored as an argument

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So what you're saying is we would have won the championship easier if Tony wasn't leading our team in scoring and assists. Ok, cool. I guess it would have been nice to have swept through the playoffs, but with Tony leading the team in production we had to settle for a 16-7 playoff run. Dang.

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Originally Posted by SASdynasty!

He's been using that retarded logic forever. Yah, the team is better without Tony...translation: our bench outscores theirs more than our starters outscore theirs. It's not that difficult...he tries to make it sound like Parker is a negative +/- or something, which is ludicrous.

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Yeah it's hard to rebut succinctly and there are no obvious slam dunk stats to counter the argument. Harlem himself made the counter case long ago. But then it's been spammed hundreds of times without analysis.

To add though: Parker faced more targeted defensive attention and, our bench was historically balls out great last year. It's great Parker wasn't needed last year, but that's a highly specific scenario that caused that. Not likely to see that again and definitely not seen recently

Seems like this deserves a thread of it's own but now is not he time. Lots of Parker talk over the summer.

maybe he won't try to hero ball and play point guard for once

What's it like? Making arguments You know to be false? Must be exhausting.

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Originally Posted by The Reckoning

maybe he won't try to hero ball and play point guard for once

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Solid. Take. Thanks for using those buzzwords.

Parker needs to sit the fuck down if he's injured. Him pushing it is only going to make things worse for himself and the team.

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Originally Posted by K...

Solid. Take. Thanks for using those buzzwords.

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injuries changed manu's game for the better once he realized he was older and couldn't cut to the basket like he used to.

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Originally Posted by The Reckoning

injuries changed manu's game for the better once he realized he was older and couldn't cut to the basket like he used to.

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It's true that he has relied more and more on his elite passing skills to be an effective player. That said, he still loves to take ill-advised threes just to let us know that his play cannot be totally contained.

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Originally Posted by The Reckoning

injuries changed manu's game for the better once he realized he was older and couldn't cut to the basket like he used to.

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You're halfway there. What you meant to say is that Parker should play within his bodies limits, run the offense without taking shots, get kawhi the dang ball, and play limited minutes.

The problem is you said none of that in two posts! I'm only mad because the same thing gets discussed all the time.

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Originally Posted by The Reckoning

injuries changed manu's game for the better once he realized he was older and couldn't cut to the basket like he used to.

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Yeah...but Manu always had elite court vision and the willingness to work his ass off.

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Originally Posted by K...

You're halfway there. What you meant to say is that Parker should play within his bodies limits, run the offense without taking shots, get kawhi the dang ball, and play limited minutes.

The problem is you said none of that in two posts! I'm only mad because the same thing gets discussed all the time.

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putting words in my mouth.

parker is trying to much to force plays that he used to be able to make but not any more. but since manu was able to make that transition to being a facilitator rather than creator, i think it's possible for parker to do so if he has the willpower. he's too slow now to create double teams.

but with parker in that role we can see the kind of ball movement we saw last year with manu running point imo, and parker has more potential.

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Originally Posted by K...

You're halfway there. What you meant to say is that Parker should play within his bodies limits, run the offense without taking shots, get kawhi the dang ball, and play limited minutes.

The problem is you said none of that in two posts! I'm only mad because the same thing gets discussed all the time.

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You understand that if Parker is not at least a perceived threat to score, then the Clippers won't guard him and it will mess up our offense? He shouldn't take 25 shots, and he won't. But he needs to be aggressive on getting in the lane to wreck havoc and he needs to shoot off the pick and roll if they leave him open. If the Clippers don't perceive him as a threat and don't guard him, he has to punish him like he did the Rockets a few weeks back. I'm concerned that he can be that offensive threat with how slowly he appears to be moving despite metrics earlier in the season showing he is still one of the fastest guards in the league. But if the Clippers don't have to guard him, then they can double Tim and Kawhi and ruin the spacing. It would really hurt our overall offense.

Haha, we're arguing over nothing. I just wanted to call out some laziness do that there's actual something to debate. Hero ball means nothing.

As for me, I'd like Parker to start shoot a few times. Get a feel and then turn to patty. 20m for Parker seems good.


Too many variables to say definitely what should happen:

How bad is Parker hurt?
How will the clippers treat him?
Is patty ready?

The problem might be with Parker's injuries he is going to go good once warm and acclimated. Then you sit him and its a done deal, he might freeze up. Pop has got a tough job. Those easy 3rd or 4th quarter points we used to get from him when the offense got disrupted may be history. And even just running the point and not getting smothered may only occur in his first 8 minutes.

For all the CP hate, the guy plays a pestering D, and he can sense a player's weakness very quickly imo. This is not James Harden D.