system player. Now that that argument is settled...is he a max player?
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system player. Now that that argument is settled...is he a max player?
get the fuck outta here, asshole
Very mysterious decline
No, he will never be one, if you cant win with this team or at least be decent you are trash.
He shined last year. This year, he withered. Weird.
Fucking scrub cost duncan his 6 and 7. I hate him.
He got tons of rebounds. I was going to bump the championship rebounds thread but parker fucking blows.
He's only a max player because there are so many shitty FOs in this league who will throw max money at players like Stoudemire. So sadly, yes he still has to get the max but he completely failed in his role as the go-to offense and on top of it has played very inconsistent on the defensive end. The guy is a choker and can't hit free-throws even when there isn't any pressure. The honey-moon is over for this kid, I expect to hear hate for him on this forum for years to come. Shame.
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Originally Posted by dabom
I don't think many of you understand what a max player is, btw:lol..
Obviously, he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by lil'mo
Maybe you forget he was perfect-shooting in the first quarter playing a great defense on Redick and then...he didn't touch the ball the next two quarters.
So how you expect he can get rhythm in the 4th quarter?
I'm a big Kawhi fan as any, but he deserves criticism at the moment. A DPOY/Finals MVP winner should never get outplayed by Matt Barnes in two consecutive playoff games. Props to Danny Green for balling his heart out, though. Only Spur other than Tim to show up tonight. Parker had his nice little line, but needed 21 shots to get it.
kill yourself fuking faggot. porker had 16 shots while kawhi had 5 at the half or early in the 3rd/Quote:
Originally Posted by Stabula
The second and third best teams in the league this year just slugged it out in 7. It's not like we lost to the Mavs or a team from the East.
He's 23 - will get better.
It's amazing how they went away from everything that was working for him the first few games of the series, tbh..one of the most poorly coached series' I can remember from Pop..
Didn't step it up at all. Lacked aggression and confidence. Once Duncan leaves, welcome to 1st round exit land... Really surprised he didn't make a statement.
What did he have? 8 shots?
He disappointed me but he's still the future.
It was the EYE AIDS he got at the beginning of the season.
NO tony shit the bed kawahi was flawless
Kawhi didn't earn his stripes. Should be interesting to see what happens in the off season. Might be the most important one the Spurs have had since '98.
how was he supposed to make a statement when there was a time there that parker had 16 shot attempts and kawhi had 5? are you fucking stupid or?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursmania
Still not as horrendous as 2006 Mavs, but it's up there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malik Hairston
Kawhi didn't live up to our expectations, but he has a bright future --as does Green. Danny played one helluva ballgame.
Yeah yeah we get it, you hate Parker. Why even post? Every post you make is the same regurgitated hatred of Parker. You have almost 30K posts worth of Parker hate. We know already.Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
He deserves some criticism. He had 3 shitty games in a row offensively. On top of that for being a defensive player of the year he didn't get it done today Barnes went off today and he couldn't stop Paul when he was switched on him.
A DPOY that got burned by a pg:lol
robdiaz2191 Right after I posted that, you immediately post in the Parker Is a Bitch thread :lol
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Originally Posted by Kool Bob Love
answer brah. how was kawhi supposed to take over when parker was chucking out there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stabula
This. They went away from everything they did for the last couple months. Now obviously Leonard didn't do himself any favors but using him as a screener, parking him in the corner, or using him as a passer up top is not playing to his strengths.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malik Hairston
You know how many attempts he had for game in the regular season? And this game? If you know that, you should know he isn't the head of the snake on Spurs offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stabula
He isn't even the top Spurs FGA in the season.
WTF? This series? He made all his clutch FT's in game 5, he was 5-6 in game 6, and 2-2 this game.Quote:
The guy is a choker and can't hit free-throws even when there isn't any pressure.
He wasn't getting touches until the end...Pop messed the game up. Even though Tony was doing Okay, he should've played Patty instead. I'm sure we would've wont with Patty in the 4th
3 bad shooting games in series
Not many steals in series
Matrix couldn't shoot as well, perfect comparison tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by ducks
Stoudenire was a max player doeQuote:
Originally Posted by Stabula
The KL support group that meets on Wednesdays have been suspiciously absent recently.
Doc should thanks Pop to play Kawhi in this way and never call a play for him in entire quarters.Quote:
Originally Posted by wtgspurs
All true the title, the Spurs aren't doing enough with Kawhi Leonard.Quote:
But most of the adjustments aren't Leonard's to make. The real change has to happen around him, in passers like Parker, Ginobili and Diaw—in the play-calling, too. These Spurs have adapted before, evolving from a Duncan-centric post operation into an uptempo pick-and-roll team infused with heavy doses of Parker's penetration and pull-up game.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2444304-san-antonio-spurs-arent-doing-enough-with-kawhi-leonard#articles/2444304-san-antonio-spurs-arent-doing-enough-with-kawhi-leonard
^^^ This, the story is not near settled or over on him yet at 23 years old. He was great through 4 games and declined after that in the series that is for certain but honestly he has a ton of time to continue to get better and he will.Quote:
Originally Posted by cjw
Your boy folded under pressure, when the eyes of Texas were upon him he hid. You need to acknowledge it, that's the first step.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildchild
Barnes really outhustled and outplayed him this game.
Big Players make Big Shots in Big Games. Pretty much this whole series he has been ordinary. I'm
How the hell you let Barnes and Redick go off yet not punish them down low on the offensive side?
How was Parker this series old faggot?Quote:
Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan
A pretty shocking decline considering his play toward season's end and the first half of this series. He lost his confidence. I wonder what happened to him?
Stay focused. This thread is about Kawhi. I'm sure you can find other threads to complain about Parker.Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
LOL. Name calling.
Guarding CP3 on the other end is too much drain on him.
Pop was burned by LeBron-on-Parker after Parked pulled his hamstring in game 5 of 2013 finals, so he thought Kwahi would do well against Paul today and that is fine.
But all series long, having a heavy weight small forward against a fast point guard is just not a good idea.
How was Parker this series? Homo.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan
Clippers game planned kawhi. They were ready. I thought he would dominate but the spurs never established him. He didn't regress, the spurs did.
This game?Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
How many shots he missed in the 4th? 2-3? And in the first quarter? 0?
Why between the 1rst quarter and the last he can't get touches? He got the ball in the post when Crawford guarded him in the 2nd and 3rd quarter?
When Tony runs the offense his primary looking are Tim or Boris pick and rolls and his own shooting...
When Manu runs the offense it's about penetration and Patty, Danny, Beli, Kawhi in the corner for 3's...
How Pop has involved Kawhi offensively except the isos?
Give him the ball in his comfortable spots and not in the 3 point line, involve him in pick and rolls, that's my first step.
Franchise player :lol
Why do you think he cannot get touches? He got plenty of touches this series, and much of the time he'd dribble to the corner, get that rain man look on his face and dump it to someone else. Team leaders don't defer in the clutch, over and over, when their team needs them to score.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildchild
Not really, what's about game 1-5-6-7?.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
In 4 games he didn't get those touches you said.
He didn't defer this game or last game in the 4th. Just his shots weren't falling but he attacked Griffin this game in the last quarter every time he could when Pop has gone small ball.Quote:
And much of the time he'd dribble to the corner, get that rain man look on his face and dump it to someone else. Team leaders don't defer in the clutch, over and over, when their team needs them to score.
And again. Why we didn't see the ball in his hands when Rivers, Redick and Crawford were guarding him? The second unit went all with Boris picks, and they were effective but you can't have Kawhi in the post against Rivers and not give him the ball like the previous games.
People in here hype him up to be the next Pippen but I can't recall Scottie ever having a hard time locking up a PG defensively.
He's a victim of the Clippers outcoaching the Spurs. Pop never made the adjustments to get him going.
Pop's adjustments was more enrique chucking and turning kawhi into a role player. :lmao
DG is better on PG's.Quote:
Originally Posted by daslicer
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Originally Posted by loveforthegame
Agreed. Like loveforthegame said that wasn't the best way to play his strengths.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
The best Spurs games of the season were playing Kawhi as the best offensive option.
I couldn't have said it any better.Quote:
Originally Posted by therealtruth
Pop got Kawhi going when we needed him in the Finals so he's capable of doing it.
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Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan
This is true but it also shows Kawhi still has a long ways to go before he can be a great lockdown defender. I know people will bring up the DPOY award but in this series the last few games I didn't see him completely take any of the key Clipper perimeter players out of their game. I think prime Bowen was still a better defender because had that ability to shut down at least one important perimeter player during a series.Quote:
Originally Posted by therealtruth
DG sucked all series on defense except for tonight. Tiago was shit and Parker well he's the shittiest defender on the Spurs. That leaves Kawhi trying to cover for 3 guys defensively. He did a great job on Redick in games 1-5. If he had to focus on Redick only the entire series then he would of easily shut him down. But that wasn't the case. Pop had him guard Paul, Griffin, and Redick and Barnes. 2 superstars, a clutch 3 point specialist and a very gritty player in Barnes. Now that's exhausting. Think about how much work Kawhi was asked to do defensively this series and then get back to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by daslicer
There is no excuses I can still recall Bowen being put in the same type of situations against the Mavs and the Suns where he had to guard a bunch of different perimeter players for different stretches during the game. During the last 3 games I never saw a stretch where Kawhi made any of the guys he was guarded uncomfortable they pretty much got whatever they wanted. A few times tonight he gave up easy points to Barnes especially that one play where Barnes got a dunk was all of Kawhi's fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
Yeah, it's easy to play defense with a prime Duncan guarding the paint.Quote:
Originally Posted by daslicer
Too bad Chris Paul was getting open shot after shot from mid rangeQuote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
Right and I can't recall many times scrubs like Matt Barnes blowing by Bowen in crucial playoff games. Are a notorious choker like JJ hitting clutch 3's in Bowen's face. Kawhi screwed the pooch defensively the last 3 games just accept it and move on. I think he has the potential to get better but he's not a franchise player yet like some people make him out to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
You do understand that he was covering for many players on the defensive end right? From Redick to Paul to Griffin. You also understand that Bowen played with a prime Duncan, right? Also, Bowen got shit on plenty of times. Kawhi didn't have MVP like games in games 5-7 but who on the Spurs did? Kawhi is the reason the Spurs even got a shot 5 and had a shot at 6.Quote:
Originally Posted by daslicer
Rob says he's a new fan of the Spurs - he wouldn't know about the Bowen days.Quote:
Originally Posted by daslicer
Right again my point is how come he could not disrupt even one guys rhythm in the last 3 games. Every guy he was guarding the last 3 games went off on him. You would think at least one guy would have shot poorly when Kawhi was guarding them the last 3 games but it didn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
Bowen had... Parker, a washed up Finley, Timmy who still didn't go outside of the paint, and Rasho fucking Nesterovic/ Francisco Elson :lol
Who knows what he could've been with Splitter, Timmy, and Green
I will never forget the '06 Mavs series where Bowen had to guard literally everybody on the court. He had to guard Dirk, Josh Howard who by the way was much better than that pos Barnes, Jason Terry, Devin Harris. The guy was an amazing defensive ace and on top of that he did that while the Spurs where playing the putrid small ball so he had to expand a lot of energy.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
I know, you just can't look at raw stats when it comes to Bruce. Even if someone was torching him, he'd do some dirty shit or get in their face. Kawhi's starting to get the Iverson syndrome, tbh... Cares so much about his SPG that he's risks passing lanes and if he fucks up then (post scrub here/Barnes) gets an open 3 or drive to the paintQuote:
Originally Posted by daslicer
Passing lanes, screens, quick guards, post players, etc. Just too many flaws in Kawhi's defense to be considered in Bowen's class.
This ain't a dig on Kawhi, he's three times the offensive player Bruce was but he sure doesn't affect the game like he did.
I said a few weeks ago that Bowen had a nastiness that neither Green or Kawhi possessed. Bowen took a lot of pride in stopping guys that if his man went off he would resort to dirty tactics because he really did take it as a sign of disrespect. Bowen was Rodmanesque when came to getting underneath guys skin. I still remember so many opposing players bitching about him being a dirty player including Chris Paul who bitched towards the league to get him suspended.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
Yeah I remember you preaching to these new age Spurs fans. It's funny that the dude who closest resembles his dirty tactics in today's NBA, is the scrub who guarded Kawhi this series :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by daslicer
Let me ask you a question. It's almost a daily routine for the Spurs to get torched by a scrub, you think not having a dirty/intimidating player on the team contributes to that? For example Griffin, it's a known fact that he shits the bed when someone comes at him hard. Then he runs into the Spurs... Timmy who pats him on the butt after a foul, Splitter who's known to be soft and gets his shit stuffed by guards, Bonner who shouldn't be in the league at this point, Diaw having a rep of being just a big nice guy, Kawhi won't talk in a 7 game series, etc
I think psychologically yes I think teams respect the spurs but don't fear them and thats part of the reason why you'll have guys have career series against them at times. Just watch the next series with the Rockets and you will see Blake and Jordan both have some shit games due to the Rockets having some physical dirty players in Dwight,T.Jones,Dorsey. Also Ariza tends to be a dirty cheapshot player so you will see whoever he's guarding taken out of a comfort zone. Factor in Jason Terry who has always been a dirty player and you will see some the games become real chippy out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
Yup that's exactly what I'm saying. Thought I was the only one who noticed this, tbh. We need a Marcus Smart type player in the draft, unfortunately PATFO will probably go and look for more soft one dimensional players from the Euroleague.Quote:
Originally Posted by daslicer
pippen never guarded a pg as fast and as good as Chris paul. He never guarded Isiah when the pistons were putting them out 3 years in a row. He didn't guard kg in the 93 finals when he was tearing bj armstrong a new asshole. He didn't guard Payton in 96. He didn't guard stockton in 97 or 98 and phil had no choice but to put him on Magic in 91 when Magic was putting jordan's little ass in the paint, but he didn't lick magic down. You were saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by daslicer
That dude just got ethered. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by james evans
He guarded Mark Jackson in '98 playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by james evans
Matt Barnes outplayed Kawhi in game 7.
Kawhi didn't play well offensively this series, that's no secret. He fell in love with the jump shot and stopped being aggressive.
The great thing about Kawhi is that he's likely about 3-4 years away from his prime. I don't know how far a Spurs team with him as our leading scorer can go in the future. He's definitely going to need a lot of help. As great as he is, I don't think he'll be ever be an elite scorer. But if we can somehow find a way to bing in another 17-20 ppg scorer, as well as a couple other good role pieces, that'd help alleviate some of that pressure on him and I think better allow him to flourish offensively.
:lol thread about kawhiQuote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
:lol bring up parker
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thread about kawhiQuote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
cant stop talking about parker
Mark jackson in 98 aint Chris paul in 2015Quote:
Originally Posted by therealtruth
parkers shittiness affects the the entire teamQuote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
THIS.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
My thoughts exactly, at SDSU I never saw him as an elite scorer. I've just been riding the train in absolute glee watching his development. Awful let down these last 3 games. He just lost his aggressiveness like you said. I think the pressure of having the spot light finally got to him. There won't be anyone who will work harder than him to turn it around, and he will have stretches of dominating, and I for one would be ecstatic if he could play at an elite level consistently, but I don't think he has that shooting touch of the Clippers Crawford or Redick who made those big shots down the stretch filling in for Paul. It's been a let down for us all but it was bound to happen. I'll still look forward to watching him play, but Chris Paul is the guy that blows my mind, he's truly phenomenal and the Spurs just ran into a superior team.
What was the purpose of the last two months? They put Leonard in the post relentlessly and he flourished. They set screens for the mid range jumper or cleared out so he could attack. His best stretch of basketball. Clippers double him in game one and he struggles. So the Spurs use him as a screener in game 2. He comes back strong in games 3 and 4 while handling the double and sometimes triple team better than I expected. Game 5 was a mix bag, game 6 was a nightmare of rimmed out shots. Game 7 they used him as a screener or parked him the corner in the first half. Finally in the 4th they used him up top as a passer.
Both sides need to figure it out this summer. This isn't about whether he can handle the main option or not. The same issues will be there whether he's the 2nd or 4th option.
It shouldn't be this hard to play to his strengths. How can both sides still not know what to do?
Pop let Kawhi down this season. He really did.Quote:
Originally Posted by loveforthegame
The key to being an elite scorer is being able to score in a variety of ways. He's got to get better at drawing fouls and getting to the freethrow line. He's got to keep on his low post game and creating offense from there. Then he's got to be able to consistently drive and draw a foul, get a basket, or create a shot. That will open up his outside game even more. When he scored 32 in game 3, that's who Doc pointed out they couldn't guard. I don't know why the Spurs went away from that.
The point is elite scorers put so much pressure on the defense because they're constantly attacking and creating good things for their team.
Easier said than done when your PG is taking 20 shots a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by therealtruth
If Kawhi could go off on Lebron why did we go away from him when he only had Matt Barnes defending him?Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
Ask Pop and Parker.Quote:
Originally Posted by therealtruth
Kawhi is fine he's young and he's a stud.
No he's not a franchise player but he's a legit 2nd banana
We need. 1st banana or were fucked
he's only a role player at best, and has reached his potential
a star will demand the ball from the point and make his shot, kawhi cant do that
Role player...It's so funny.
People still doubt he's an efficient and prolific scorer when he was the main Spur scorer in the last 25 games of the season, averaging since February 27th almost 19 ppg in just 13FGA.
I still think he is a rising star who will rebound from this stronger and will build on his Defensive POY award.
I must admit I found KL playoff performance a bit disappointing. As the heir apparent to the Big 3, Kawhi was suppose to be the go-to and match Griffin's production. Instead, I saw several instances where he was just not aggressive enough. I know the porker crew wants to lay blame at Parker's feet but at some point Kawhi has to demand the ball and take it strong.