Kawhi regressed

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Originally Posted by DMC

Your boy folded under pressure, when the eyes of Texas were upon him he hid. You need to acknowledge it, that's the first step.

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This game?
How many shots he missed in the 4th? 2-3? And in the first quarter? 0?

Why between the 1rst quarter and the last he can't get touches? He got the ball in the post when Crawford guarded him in the 2nd and 3rd quarter?

When Tony runs the offense his primary looking are Tim or Boris pick and rolls and his own shooting...
When Manu runs the offense it's about penetration and Patty, Danny, Beli, Kawhi in the corner for 3's...

How Pop has involved Kawhi offensively except the isos?

Give him the ball in his comfortable spots and not in the 3 point line, involve him in pick and rolls, that's my first step.

Franchise player :lol

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Originally Posted by wildchild

This game?
How many shots he missed in the 4th? 2-3? And in the first quarter? 0?

Why between the 1rst quarter and the last he can't get touches? He got the ball in the post when Crawford guarded him in the 2nd and 3rd quarter?

When Tony runs the offense his primary looking are Tim or Boris pick and rolls and his own shooting...
When Manu runs the offense it's about penetration and Patty, Danny, Beli, Kawhi in the corner for 3's...

How Pop has involved Kawhi offensively except the isos?

Give him the ball in his comfortable spots and not in the 3 point line, involve him in pick and rolls, that's my first step.

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Why do you think he cannot get touches? He got plenty of touches this series, and much of the time he'd dribble to the corner, get that rain man look on his face and dump it to someone else. Team leaders don't defer in the clutch, over and over, when their team needs them to score.

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Originally Posted by DMC

Why do you think he cannot get touches? He got plenty of touches this series.

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Not really, what's about game 1-5-6-7?.
In 4 games he didn't get those touches you said.

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And much of the time he'd dribble to the corner, get that rain man look on his face and dump it to someone else. Team leaders don't defer in the clutch, over and over, when their team needs them to score.

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He didn't defer this game or last game in the 4th. Just his shots weren't falling but he attacked Griffin this game in the last quarter every time he could when Pop has gone small ball.

And again. Why we didn't see the ball in his hands when Rivers, Redick and Crawford were guarding him? The second unit went all with Boris picks, and they were effective but you can't have Kawhi in the post against Rivers and not give him the ball like the previous games.

People in here hype him up to be the next Pippen but I can't recall Scottie ever having a hard time locking up a PG defensively.

He's a victim of the Clippers outcoaching the Spurs. Pop never made the adjustments to get him going.

Pop's adjustments was more enrique chucking and turning kawhi into a role player. :lmao

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Originally Posted by daslicer

People in here hype him up to be the next Pippen but I can't recall Scottie ever having a hard time locking up a PG defensively.

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DG is better on PG's.

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Originally Posted by loveforthegame

But using him as a screener, parking him in the corner, or using him as a passer up top is not playing to his strengths.

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Originally Posted by dabom

Pop's adjustments ...turning kawhi into a role player. :lmao

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Agreed. Like loveforthegame said that wasn't the best way to play his strengths.

The best Spurs games of the season were playing Kawhi as the best offensive option.

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Originally Posted by therealtruth

He's a victim of the Clippers outcoaching the Spurs. Pop never made the adjustments to get him going.

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I couldn't have said it any better.

Pop got Kawhi going when we needed him in the Finals so he's capable of doing it.

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Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan

Stay focused. This thread is about Kawhi. I'm sure you can find other threads to complain about Parker.

LOL. Name calling.

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:lol

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Originally Posted by therealtruth

DG is better on PG's.

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This is true but it also shows Kawhi still has a long ways to go before he can be a great lockdown defender. I know people will bring up the DPOY award but in this series the last few games I didn't see him completely take any of the key Clipper perimeter players out of their game. I think prime Bowen was still a better defender because had that ability to shut down at least one important perimeter player during a series.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

This is true but it also shows Kawhi still has a long ways to go before he can be a great lockdown defender. I know people will bring up the DPOY award but in this series the last few games I didn't see him completely take any of the key Clipper perimeter players out of their game. I think prime Bowen was still a better defender because had that ability to shut down at least one important perimeter player during a series.

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DG sucked all series on defense except for tonight. Tiago was shit and Parker well he's the shittiest defender on the Spurs. That leaves Kawhi trying to cover for 3 guys defensively. He did a great job on Redick in games 1-5. If he had to focus on Redick only the entire series then he would of easily shut him down. But that wasn't the case. Pop had him guard Paul, Griffin, and Redick and Barnes. 2 superstars, a clutch 3 point specialist and a very gritty player in Barnes. Now that's exhausting. Think about how much work Kawhi was asked to do defensively this series and then get back to me.

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Originally Posted by robdiaz2191

DG sucked all series on defense except for tonight. Tiago was shit and Parker well he's the shittiest defender on the Spurs. That leaves Kawhi trying to cover for 3 guys defensively. He did a great job on Redick in games 1-5. If he had to focus on Redick only the entire series then he would of easily shut him down. But that wasn't the case. Pop had him guard Paul, Griffin, and Redick and Barnes. 2 superstars, a clutch 3 point specialist and a very gritty player in Barnes. Now that's exhausting. Think about how much work Kawhi was asked to do defensively this series and then get back to me.

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There is no excuses I can still recall Bowen being put in the same type of situations against the Mavs and the Suns where he had to guard a bunch of different perimeter players for different stretches during the game. During the last 3 games I never saw a stretch where Kawhi made any of the guys he was guarded uncomfortable they pretty much got whatever they wanted. A few times tonight he gave up easy points to Barnes especially that one play where Barnes got a dunk was all of Kawhi's fault.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

There is no excuses I can still recall Bowen being put in the same type of situations against the Mavs and the Suns where he had to guard a bunch of different perimeter players for different stretches during the game. During the last 3 games I never saw a stretch where Kawhi made any of the guys he was guarded uncomfortable they pretty much got whatever they wanted. A few times tonight he gave up easy points to Barnes especially that one play where Barnes got a dunk was all of Kawhi's fault.

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Yeah, it's easy to play defense with a prime Duncan guarding the paint.

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Originally Posted by robdiaz2191

Yeah, it's easy to play defense with a prime Duncan guarding the paint.

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Too bad Chris Paul was getting open shot after shot from mid range

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Originally Posted by robdiaz2191

Yeah, it's easy to play defense with a prime Duncan guarding the paint.

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Right and I can't recall many times scrubs like Matt Barnes blowing by Bowen in crucial playoff games. Are a notorious choker like JJ hitting clutch 3's in Bowen's face. Kawhi screwed the pooch defensively the last 3 games just accept it and move on. I think he has the potential to get better but he's not a franchise player yet like some people make him out to be.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

Right and I can't recall many times scrubs like Matt Barnes blowing by Bowen in crucial playoff games. Are a notorious choker like JJ hitting clutch 3's in Bowen's face. Kawhi screwed the pooch defensively the last 3 games just accept it and move on. I think he has the potential to get better but he's not a franchise player yet like some people make him out to be.

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You do understand that he was covering for many players on the defensive end right? From Redick to Paul to Griffin. You also understand that Bowen played with a prime Duncan, right? Also, Bowen got shit on plenty of times. Kawhi didn't have MVP like games in games 5-7 but who on the Spurs did? Kawhi is the reason the Spurs even got a shot 5 and had a shot at 6.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

There is no excuses I can still recall Bowen being put in the same type of situations against the Mavs and the Suns where he had to guard a bunch of different perimeter players for different stretches during the game. During the last 3 games I never saw a stretch where Kawhi made any of the guys he was guarded uncomfortable they pretty much got whatever they wanted. A few times tonight he gave up easy points to Barnes especially that one play where Barnes got a dunk was all of Kawhi's fault.

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Rob says he's a new fan of the Spurs - he wouldn't know about the Bowen days.

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Originally Posted by robdiaz2191

You do understand that he was covering for many players on the defensive end right? From Redick to Paul to Griffin. You also understand that Bowen played with a prime Duncan, right? Also, Bowen got shit on plenty of times. Kawhi didn't have MVP like games in games 5-7 but who on the Spurs did? Kawhi is the reason the Spurs even got a shot 5 and had a shot at 6.

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Right again my point is how come he could not disrupt even one guys rhythm in the last 3 games. Every guy he was guarding the last 3 games went off on him. You would think at least one guy would have shot poorly when Kawhi was guarding them the last 3 games but it didn't happen.

Bowen had... Parker, a washed up Finley, Timmy who still didn't go outside of the paint, and Rasho fucking Nesterovic/ Francisco Elson :lol

Who knows what he could've been with Splitter, Timmy, and Green

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

Bowen had... Parker, a washed up Finley, Timmy who still didn't go outside of the paint, and Rasho fucking Nesterovic/ Francisco Elson :lol

Who knows what he could've been with Splitter, Timmy, and Green

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I will never forget the '06 Mavs series where Bowen had to guard literally everybody on the court. He had to guard Dirk, Josh Howard who by the way was much better than that pos Barnes, Jason Terry, Devin Harris. The guy was an amazing defensive ace and on top of that he did that while the Spurs where playing the putrid small ball so he had to expand a lot of energy.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

I will never forget the '06 Mavs series where Bowen had to guard literally everybody on the court. He had to guard Dirk, Josh Howard who by the way was much better than that pos Barnes, Jason Terry, Devin Harris. The guy was an amazing defensive ace and on top of that he did that while the Spurs where playing the putrid small ball so he had to expand a lot of energy.

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I know, you just can't look at raw stats when it comes to Bruce. Even if someone was torching him, he'd do some dirty shit or get in their face. Kawhi's starting to get the Iverson syndrome, tbh... Cares so much about his SPG that he's risks passing lanes and if he fucks up then (post scrub here/Barnes) gets an open 3 or drive to the paint

Passing lanes, screens, quick guards, post players, etc. Just too many flaws in Kawhi's defense to be considered in Bowen's class.

This ain't a dig on Kawhi, he's three times the offensive player Bruce was but he sure doesn't affect the game like he did.

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

I know, you just can't look at raw stats when it comes to Bruce. Even if someone was torching him, he'd do some dirty shit or get in their face. Kawhi's starting to get the Iverson syndrome, tbh... Cares so much about his SPG that he's risks passing lanes and if he fucks up then (post scrub here/Barnes) gets an open 3 or drive to the paint

Passing lanes, screens, quick guards, post players, etc. Just too many flaws in Kawhi's defense to be considered in Bowen's class.

This ain't a dig on Kawhi, he's three times the offensive player Bruce was but he sure doesn't affect the game like he did.

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I said a few weeks ago that Bowen had a nastiness that neither Green or Kawhi possessed. Bowen took a lot of pride in stopping guys that if his man went off he would resort to dirty tactics because he really did take it as a sign of disrespect. Bowen was Rodmanesque when came to getting underneath guys skin. I still remember so many opposing players bitching about him being a dirty player including Chris Paul who bitched towards the league to get him suspended.