Kawhi regressed

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Originally Posted by weebo

I must admit I found KL playoff performance a bit disappointing. As the heir apparent to the Big 3, Kawhi was suppose to be the go-to and match Griffin's production. Instead, I saw several instances where he was just not aggressive enough. I know the porker crew wants to lay blame at Parker's feet but at some point Kawhi has to demand the ball and take it strong.

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Parker ignored him. it is what it is. Did you want him to punch Porker for the ball?

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Originally Posted by robdiaz2191

Parker ignored him. it is what it is. Did you want him to punch Porker for the ball?

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STFU already with the Paker shit. We get it you hate Parker (maybe he porked your mom, boyfriend, or sister). Kawhi was beta all series. Taking 15 foot turn around jumpers from the baseline on guys like matt barnes and jamal crawford is weak. No one on the clippers should have been able to contain him, instead he made himself invisible for stretches during the series. It's not like he never touched the ball. He had his chances to take over but instead he shit the bed.

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Originally Posted by robdiaz2191

Parker ignored him. it is what it is. Did you want him to punch Porker for the ball?

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He got the ball plenty, and passed it off

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Originally Posted by weebo

STFU already with the Paker shit. We get it you hate Parker (maybe he porked your mom, boyfriend, or sister). Kawhi was beta all series. Taking 15 foot turn around jumpers from the baseline on guys like matt barnes and jamal crawford is weak. No one on the clippers should have been able to contain him, instead he made himself invisible for stretches during the series. It's not like he never touched the ball. He had his chances to take over but instead he shit the bed.

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Thats why he is not a max player, this was supposed to be his breakout season after the FMVP, the Jordan deal, the whole POP WANTS ME TO PLAY LIKE THAT EVERY NIGHT.
Huge disappointment.

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Originally Posted by robdiaz2191

Parker ignored him. it is what it is. Did you want him to punch Porker for the ball?

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your schtick is annoying guy. Parker sucked and that definitely hurt the team everyone here gets it.

Parkers sucktitude was not the reason for kawhis struggles though.

I think the problem we are facing as Spurs fans is that we have to adjust to the fact that there's no more ginobili's parkers or duncans. They dont make them like they used to.

American basketball players for the most part are highly talented but mentally weak. Kawhi fits this mold. He's got all the tools you could ask for but I'm not quite sure he's got the mental capacity to claw his way to victory. Foreign guys like Patty and Marco are perfect examples of guys that dont quite have the tools but they fight tooth and nail with what they've got. If Kawhi just had some more of that ginobili heart and fight he would be a beast.

Aldridge 33 FG% 21.8 ppg 22 FGA 41 mpg

Kawhi 47 FG% 20.3 ppg 15.6 FGA 35.7 mpg

Nobody doubts LA as scorer but people here are saying Kawhi isn't that type of guy when he was more efficient offensively with less attempts and less minutes on the floor...

If a franchise player like Aldridge can play a bad series not sure why people have doubts about Kawhi as all-around player just for 2 bad games in a row.

Leonard had better leave if he wants to have a succesful career, because parker will continue to ignore him and fuck us up in the playoffs as long as popovich allows him to.

Kwahi was 3-13 and 1-4 on 3s through most of the 4th. Finally wound up with 5-13, around 39% and that won't get it if he is the first option. When he isn't shooting well, he tends to disappear like Diaw and I think the lack of confidence hurts his defense as well.

I'd like to see the same fire in his belly as Chris Paul. Paul wouldn't quit or stop fighting even with a hamstring injury. A gutty performance that deserved the win. If Kwahi had shown the same fire, and will to win we could've won against a very good team. At this point in his career he isn't showing signs of being the leader of the team.

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Originally Posted by wildbill2u

Kwahi was 3-13 and 1-4 on 3s through most of the 4th. Finally wound up with 5-13, around 39% and that won't get it if he is the first option. When he isn't shooting well, he tends to disappear like Diaw and I think the lack of confidence hurts his defense as well.

I'd like to see the same fire in his belly as Chris Paul. Paul wouldn't quit or stop fighting even with a hamstring injury. A gutty performance that deserved the win. If Kwahi had shown the same fire, and will to win we could've won against a very good team. At this point in his career he isn't showing signs of being the leader of the team.

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tell us more about what tony parker brings to this team. he can't score, cant't defend, terrible court vision, terrible decision maker.

lead us kawhi! worst shooter on the team takes 21 shots.:lmao

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Originally Posted by robdiaz2191

tell us more about what tony parker brings to this team. he can't score, cant't defend, terrible court vision, terrible decision maker.

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Well porker can break up ex-teammates marriages by fucking their wife and he can open failed night clubs so he has that going for him.

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Originally Posted by TXstbobcat

Well porker can break up ex-teammates marriages by fucking their wife and he can open failed night clubs so he has that going for him.

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:lmao

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Originally Posted by wildchild

Aldridge 33 FG% 21.8 ppg 22 FGA 41 mpg

Kawhi 47 FG% 20.3 ppg 15.6 FGA 35.7 mpg

Nobody doubts LA as scorer but people here are saying Kawhi isn't that type of guy when he was more efficient offensively with less attempts and less minutes on the floor...

If a franchise player like Aldridge can play a bad series not sure why people have doubts about Kawhi as all-around player just for 2 bad games in a row.

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No one is doubting Kawhi's skills. That's the reason he disappointed. He is the heir apparent yet we still have to rely on the Big 3 to win playoff games. This was suppose to be his year and establish himself as the alpha dog on the team and he didn't do it. He was passive a lot of the time when he could have easily taken over on the offensive side of the ball when the Spurs were struggling to score. It's his fourth year in the league/Spurs. He doesn't need to be led by the hand anymore. Do you think guys like Kobe, Harden, and CP3 would allow their team to struggle without taking the offensive load? One thing is for sure: if Kawhi wants to get paid like the man, he needs to step up and be the man when it counts.

We gotta use Kawhi to get Gobert.

PATFO needs to at least ask Utah about it.

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Originally Posted by robdiaz2191

tell us more about what tony parker brings to this team. he can't score, cant't defend, terrible court vision, terrible decision maker.

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The irony in your post. You bring as much to the table on this board as Parker brings to the basketball court. I guess that makes you the tony porker of spurstalk.

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Originally Posted by weebo

The irony in your post. You bring as much to the table on this board as Parker brings to the basketball court. I guess that makes you the tony porker of spurstalk.

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:wakeup

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Originally Posted by weebo

No one is doubting Kawhi's skills.

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Really? You can read in this thread...

"No, he will never be one, if you cant win with this team or at least be decent you are trash."

"The guy is a choker. The honey-moon is over for this kid, I expect to hear hate for him on this forum for years to come."

"I don't think he'll be ever be an elite scorer"

He carried this team the last 25 games of the season and was an elite scorer in those games and 4 games of the series, but sure, "he'll never be one".

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Do you think guys like Kobe, Harden, and CP3 would allow their team to struggle without taking the offensive load?

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I've never seen Kobe or Paul begging for the ball, waving their arms like we saw Leonard.

Kawhi was demanding the ball in his comfortable spots -which aren't the 3 point line- combined with clear body language, and still the team preferred to play a pick and roll or whatever.
If you didn't watch those situations I can't help.

Kawhi missed a lot of shots and was not aggressive but the design of the offense is not going to help him when the paint is a million times cluttered with bodies. There were several instances when the ball was dumped off to kawhi on the block but Tim or Splitter were right there on the other side of the block allowing that defender to clog the paint. There were times when he was waiting on the wing to catch and slash but someone would take the ball like Diaw pump fake with his defender 10 feet away from him and then drive again clogging the paint.

He does need to improve his game but the Spurs need to do a better job of evolving their offense to go with his skill set. The guy is not going to be a spot up 3 point shooter if he's your "elite star" he needs to be have the freedom and room to drive and attack.

For the record, Paul missed many games in playoffs, just at 30 years old he finally won a round with the Clips...Kawhi's 23

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Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard

Kawhi missed a lot of shots and was not aggressive but the design of the offense is not going to help him when the paint is a million times cluttered with bodies. There were several instances when the ball was dumped off to kawhi on the block but Tim or Splitter were right there on the other side of the block allowing that defender to clog the paint. There were times when he was waiting on the wing to catch and slash but someone would take the ball like Diaw pump fake with his defender 10 feet away from him and then drive again clogging the paint.

He does need to improve his game but the Spurs need to do a better job of evolving their offense to go with his skill set. The guy is not going to be a spot up 3 point shooter if he's your "elite star" he needs to be have the freedom and room to drive and attack.

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very well put

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Originally Posted by wildchild

For the record, Paul missed many games in playoffs, just at 30 years old he finally won a round with the Clips...Kawhi's 23

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the clips had legacies on the line tbh. it was do or die time for cp3. he loses against the spurs and he would never shake the choker label, tbh. that's why he was so emotional at the end of the game.

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Originally Posted by wildchild

Really? You can read in this thread...

"No, he will never be one, if you cant win with this team or at least be decent you are trash."

"The guy is a choker. The honey-moon is over for this kid, I expect to hear hate for him on this forum for years to come."

"I don't think he'll be ever be an elite scorer"

He carried this team the last 25 games of the season and was an elite scorer in those games and 4 games of the series, but sure, "he'll never be one".


I've never seen Kobe or Paul begging for the ball, waving their arms like we saw Leonard.

Kawhi was demanding the ball in his comfortable spots -which aren't the 3 point line- combined with clear body language, and still the team preferred to play a pick and roll or whatever.
If you didn't watch those situations I can't help.

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What good is waving for the ball in the post if you're going to take turn around J's from 15 ft out against guys like barnes/crawford, or worst yet kicking the ball back out? When guys like kobe or harden get the ball they do something with it because they know its on them to score or draw fouls not defer to guys like Parker, Green, Diaw, etc.

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Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard

Kawhi missed a lot of shots and was not aggressive but the design of the offense is not going to help him when the paint is a million times cluttered with bodies. There were several instances when the ball was dumped off to kawhi on the block but Tim or Splitter were right there on the other side of the block allowing that defender to clog the paint. There were times when he was waiting on the wing to catch and slash but someone would take the ball like Diaw pump fake with his defender 10 feet away from him and then drive again clogging the paint.

He does need to improve his game but the Spurs need to do a better job of evolving their offense to go with his skill set. The guy is not going to be a spot up 3 point shooter if he's your "elite star" he needs to be have the freedom and room to drive and attack.

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That's the problem right there. The offense doesn't evolve because Kawhi remains too passive. Just look back a few weeks ago when Kawhi was beasting and the Spurs were winning. Kawhi was going balls out and leading the team. I remember reading quotes from guys like Tim, Manu, and Tony saying that it was his team and Kawhi being aggressive makes them the better team.

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Originally Posted by weebo

That's the problem right there. The offense doesn't evolve because Kawhi remains too passive. Just look back a few weeks ago when Kawhi was beasting and the Spurs were winning. Kawhi was going balls out and leading the team. I remember reading quotes from guys like Tim, Manu, and Tony saying that it was his team and Kawhi being aggressive makes them the better team.

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Pop doesn't care so much during the regular season but if you miss a beat to his "system" he benches you except for TP well because the system is still designed around him getting shots at the top of the key or going into that 2 man game.. The Spurs offense is predicated on ball movement if the first 2 things don't happen... 1) Parker can get a screen and drive or dump it to Tim 2) Parker gets a screen and pulls up for a jump shot..

The offense needs to be revamped with Parker recognizing that there are more options with Kawhi on the floor... Perhaps a 1-3 screen should have been implemented with kawhi rolling to the basket or at least popping out 15 feet to hit a shot but at the same time Tim would have had to been off the court or somewhere out of the way tucked away on the opposite end baseline. Most SF dominated teams don't have a PG that is looking to shoot everytime down the court, they have guys that are perimeter threats that space the floor and can pop a 3 or drive to the basket and dish.