Pierce is a strong big man. He still got his stroke cause he got strength.
Manu is as strong as a ballerina at this point. That's why he even struggles to hit the rim.
This explains why Paul Pierce still can shoot and Manu can't shoot for shit
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Pierce is a strong big man. He still got his stroke cause he got strength.
Manu is as strong as a ballerina at this point. That's why he even struggles to hit the rim.
This explains why Paul Pierce still can shoot and Manu can't shoot for shit
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Originally Posted by hater
I don't know what to expect but I would like to see Manu regaining his shooting touch, something along the lines of 80% FT shooting and 36 3pt% would open a lot of things for his game.
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Originally Posted by hater
Bet he wouldn't come up empty one-on-one vs J.J. Reddick in a game 7
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post8100414Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
I expect him to play like a man that wants one for the thumb. Unless he is injured or overly depended on mid season, don't see a problem with him having another great year.
A fif ring.
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Originally Posted by testies
LMAO Splitter's old ass in his prime. He was a prime walking injury. That's what he was.
Avg 7 pts, 3 assts, 35% from 3.... 3.2 turnovers a game....
10.6 ppg, 4.9 apg with the occasional 27 point "vintage Manu" nights offset by the more common "facilitator Manu" night or nights where he barely plays due to rest and/or blowouts.
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Originally Posted by spursistan
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Originally Posted by Leetonidas
Oh good Lord! I hate to do this, just because of all the ridiculous flame shit that always follows. But here goes:
You do understand that Manu's stroke is not exactly classic? He turns almost sideways to the basket a lot of the time. He flares his elbow to the point that sometimes his hand is almost sideways on the ball. A lot of times, he's right-foot-forward (he's left-handed) when he shoots the 3, and he sort of corkscrews into it. (He'll start the shot with his right foot out front, and land with his left way out front.)
And the back-step? I've mentioned this several times here over the years - Manu steps back on a lot of his free throws. (Find me a shooting coach who will suggest a step-back free throw.)
Manu's shooting stroke is Manu's own. When you're as good as Manu Ginobili, you can do things whatever way is comfortable to you. But when he's in a slump, it's not hard to imagine why. Mostly it's hard to imagine how he shoots as good as he does all the time. I think it's all about feel for Manu, pretty much everything he does on the court, and always has been. I don't think anybody else COULD shoot like Manu.
Before you start flaming, go to Youtube and put in "Manu Ginobili 3". The first few videos I looked at showed him shooting 3's with his right foot forward, left elbow flared, etc. Then pull up someone like Ray Allen, and look at the mechanics. Ray Allen's mechanics are pretty damned consistent. Manu is out there improvising, all the time. When he's off, he can look really, really bad.
I think it makes him fun to watch. I know a lot of people are down on him, and sometimes he's frustrating. But he's also a unique player that's been entertaining since he showed up. If he'd take care of the damn ball better, I'd like watching him even more.
The thing is you have to take into account minutes and role. Manu played the 6th lowest minutes, attempted the 6th fewest shots (just 6.1 per, in other words, nothing), but he outrebounded every other younger guard on the team, including the two starters who played 70+ minutes (he was just 3 shy of tying crawford and reddicks combined rebounds, and they played over 3x the minutes manu did). he lead the team in assists, and his ast/to was good. Even if his raw scoring numbers are bad his .527TS is still better than parker and green. Basically, a 37 year old manu just outplayed the two younger starting guards on the team in assists, rebounds, and shooting percentage. the tosb got to the line more than anyone but leonard and duncan. he even had more blocks than kawhi (5th most between both teams). so he wasnt great, and his role was limited, but he was still a bright spot. I think pop made a mistake to let leonard and parker close games it feels like we never game manu, mills, or belli a chance despite all of them responding well at given times of the series. Im looking at the numbers now and leonard and parker had 200 shots between them, considerably more than manu, mills and belli combined (124- you can add green and you still only get 185). maybe im forgetting and they did try and close out a few games. In any case the point is manu played his role well, playmaking, rebounding, defending, and scoring decently enough to not be a liability, and he didnt even have the chance to win or lose a tight game iirc. the problems for the team were elsewhere- parker, leonard, green, pop...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
I expect, so long as he isn't overplayed as was necessarily the case last season, Manu will be fine. He was actually quite good in the last year when fresh, coming off the bench and consistently making whoever was on the court with him better. However, if Parker's injuries continue plaguing him and Ginobili has to pick up the slack, we can expect to see more of the Old (exhausted) Manu.
tl;dr and probably didn't miss much anyway. i made a slight joke, calm your tits :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by GSH
20mpg, lots of sweet passes, the odd key 3 or fake-and-drive and-1, and hopefully he finds his FT stroke again. That really dropped off the past few years. He used to be one of the top 5 clutchest FT shooters in the game... I wonder where that went?
Whatever he gave this year tbqh.
Leonard was great the first 4 games but I agree on all of what you said. Green finally showed up game 7 but it was water under the bridge by then, he did not show the earlier 6 games pretty much. Basically anyone not named Tim, Patty and Belli did not do that great, Manu did okay though as you pointed out spite the low % shooting. I also agree on closing the games! Belli and Patty would have hit a shot late in game 7 I believe, they were hot all series and towards the end when Tony was clanking etc., they were on the bench. Pop doesn't play the hot hand at times and it hurts the team, love him as a coach but man he can really be stubborn or stick to his guns too much at times and it costs the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by diego
That step back three at times can give me fits watching the games, especially in a tight game or the playoffs. I agree on the rest as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leetonidas
He won't be asked to score w/ D-West & a healthy Patty. Manu & Bobo will just be running side pick-n-pops w/ D-West & Patty respectively, just put a shooter on the weak-side to keep the defense honest if they try to help when a smaller defender switches onto Bobo/D-West. As long as Manu can hit open shots when the defense goes under the screen it should be a lethal offense.
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I didn't know you were joking at all - hell I was saying you were right, and using your comment as an example of how he shoots. He does shoot those fall-back 3's. And he really does fall away from a lot of his FT's. I never saw anybody do that before. If it was anybody but Manu, I'd say it's a terrible way to shoot. For Manu, it's just how it is. The big thing is, when you shoot that way, and you're off - you're way off.
I hope Manu will be refreshed after an extra month of rest. Lets not forget we went all the way to the final for two seasons running and that had taken a toll.
Besides, I'd like to see him shoot 3 more and go to the rim less which should be reasonable given his age.
Agreed. In general, I expect Manu's shot attempts to decrease while his assist rate goes up. As it did last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
Not much good
I think he made a deal with the devil ... he got better health in exchange for a drop-off in FT shooting ...Quote:
Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
I'm a huge Manu fan, so seeing him this broken and still playing is kinda sad, but at least he's still playing. Could always go off on the occasional good day he's on fire from three, but I don't expect much other than that. A possible 11 pts/6 ast average, which would be excellent to have off the bench. Could be team leader in assists due to the pick and roll game being drastically improved.