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Damn. Was hoping DJ would go to Dallas. Oh well. Glad we don't have to deal with that shit.

Cubes CAN stop doing business with DJ's agent. That's certainly one option he has, and I think he could follow suit on that. DJ's agent also lost a lot of credibility here.

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Originally Posted by cd98

i know promissory estoppel well. I'm an attorney and I've been involved in many breach of contract cases. It doesn't fit under these facts. And guys like Ballmer would hire good attorneys to make it go away. And Cuban has good attorneys that would tell him not to bother. There will be no lawsuits.

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Not that he would but couldn't Fegan sue the crap out of Jordan.

The correct way for this to be handled would be for the agent to handle this. jordan calls his agent says to change the contract. Agent smooths things over with Cuban like the human leach he is.

instead, they bypassed the agent (leading to fallout between agent and client) and blew of the mavs in a mocking display.

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Originally Posted by GSH

Seriously? You don't do it because it's just not done. If this gets started, if fucks up the whole offseason process. Nobody can count on any agreement during this part of the offseason. Teams don't know if they can quit pursuing other players. Hell, players don't know if they have a deal - a team could swing another player cheaper. The Players Union would have a fucking fit if that happened.

I guarantee you, the Spurs FO would refuse to talk to a player who pulled something like this. Because they would understand that there have to be some rules, or everyone is screwed. It's worse than classless.

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I love the Spurs, but they would be dumb if Tim Duncan said he was going to leave to Orlando, told Orlando he was coming, but before he signed the contract second guessed himself and called the Spurs.

If the Spurs passed on resigning him b/c he agreed to go to Orlando but was now second guessing his decision then they don't deserve to win.

A player has every right to agree to a deal and to then reneg on said deal. As long as they have not signed the contract then they haven't done anything wrong.

The crappy part of this is that Deandre didn't call the mavs and just man up and tell them he didn't wnat to go there anymore.

if i was a billionaire like cuban i would throw so many frivolous lawsuits towards jordan just to annoy him.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Clippers had their chance to negotiate, and they let him go. Then the entire organization goes crying to him days after he agrees to a deal.

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You do realize that DJ went crying to the Clippers, not the other way around, right? He was too much of a pussy to keep his word and too scared to leave LA and take on the responsibility of a so-called "franchise player" in the end. This is all on him. I know his camp is trying to spin it as the Clippers begging for him and his mean old agent trying to dupe him into going to the Mavs, but I can't believe people are actually buying that crap.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

It doesn't work like that. The NBA is basically a boys club, controlled by their bylaws, and to become a member of the club, you sign off certain rights. For example, one of such rule is that the commissioner decisions are final, and you forfeit your right to sue over those decisions. Furthermore, IIRC, the bylaws include a clause for mandatory arbitration, which is pretty common in this kind of agreements.

This whole thing plays out in contract law. Cubes would have to first sue to declare the bylaws illegal, potentially risking his membership and sending the league on a spin. He's not going to do that.

EDIT: That was one of Sterling's original claims, that the bylaws were anti-competitive. Which, IIRC, was dismissed.

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Great post!

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Originally Posted by ElNono

It doesn't work like that. The NBA is basically a boys club, controlled by their bylaws, and to become a member of the club, you sign off certain rights. For example, one of such rule is that the commissioner decisions are final, and you forfeit your right to sue over those decisions. Furthermore, IIRC, the bylaws include a clause for mandatory arbitration, which is pretty common in this kind of agreements.

This whole thing plays out in contract law. Cubes would have to first sue to declare the bylaws illegal, potentially risking his membership and sending the league on a spin. He's not going to do that.

EDIT: That was one of Sterling's original claims, that the bylaws were anti-competitive. Which, IIRC, was dismissed.

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Meh... you're probably right about that. I know that you're right in principle. It is a boy's club, and you have to kiss the ring, and all that. I didn't know about mandatory arbitration if I had thought about it, I guess it just about goes without saying. BUT... I don't think the league (including all the other owners) are going to want this shit to get started. They've got to come up with something to nip it in the bud. That probably wouldn't include giving Cuban the right to set a different kind of precedent. But they have to do something - you can see that, can't you? This is something that ALL the other owners will see as a threat.

or maybe cuban can hire a guy, full time dude and pay him just to harass jordan every day

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Cubes CAN stop doing business with DJ's agent. That's certainly one option he has, and I think he could follow suit on that. DJ's agent also lost a lot of credibility here.

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Sounds like DJ's agent wasn't involved. They froze him out. He's not dumb enough to piss off an owner like that and get a bad rep from the league.

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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation

You do realize that DJ went crying to the Clippers, not the other way around, right? He was too much of a pussy to keep his word and too scared to leave LA and take on the responsibility of a so-called "franchise player" in the end. This is all on him. I know his camp is trying to spin it as the Clippers begging for him and his mean old agent trying to dupe him into going to the Mavs, but I can't believe people are actually buying that crap.

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Originally Posted by picnroll

Not that he would but couldn't Fegan sue the crap out of Jordan.

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How? Did he sign the papers with Jordan tonight? If he carried on with him as a client he has no grounds.

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Originally Posted by picnroll

Not that he would but couldn't Fegan sue the crap out of Jordan.

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I assume he gets paid for the clippers massive contract and cuts his losses and fire his client. He can't really complain about it because any damages would be speculative and there was no Dallas contract, just a verbal intent. I think the agent is fine here. All evidence shows that jordan went straight to Doc and blocked everyone else afterwards.

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Originally Posted by goliath

Not only is he backing out of a verbal deal with the mavs he isn't even man enough to meet with Cuban and tell him face to face

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Isnt that the truth - total lack of character - what a loser.

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Originally Posted by cd98

Sounds like DJ's agent wasn't involved. They froze him out. He's not dumb enough to piss off an owner like that and get a bad rep from the league.

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Let's see his reaction to this whole thing. Does he drops DJ as a customer? He should. Then again, he's getting a commission out of the Clippers signing...

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Originally Posted by picnroll

Not that he would but couldn't Fegan sue the crap out of Jordan.

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Doubt it. Depends on their contract, but he's paid to represent. If DJ doesn't let him, that's DJs choice. I could see them parting ways, tho.

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Originally Posted by noles1983

if i was a billionaire like cuban i would throw so many frivolous lawsuits towards jordan just to annoy him.

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Yea but I'm sure the Clippers owner has a bit more coin in his pocket to protect his crybaby.

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Originally Posted by GSH

Meh... you're probably right about that. I know that you're right in principle. It is a boy's club, and you have to kiss the ring, and all that. I didn't know about mandatory arbitration if I had thought about it, I guess it just about goes without saying. BUT... I don't think the league (including all the other owners) are going to want this shit to get started. They've got to come up with something to nip it in the bud. That probably wouldn't include giving Cuban the right to set a different kind of precedent. But they have to do something - you can see that, can't you? This is something that ALL the other owners will see as a threat.

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So arbitration is really just another court. They can still force $$$$ to pass. The big reason for arbitration is privacy. But i think something like this would leak. Too much interest and too many parties involved.

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Originally Posted by GSH

Meh... you're probably right about that. I know that you're right in principle. It is a boy's club, and you have to kiss the ring, and all that. I didn't know about mandatory arbitration if I had thought about it, I guess it just about goes without saying. BUT... I don't think the league (including all the other owners) are going to want this shit to get started. They've got to come up with something to nip it in the bud. That probably wouldn't include giving Cuban the right to set a different kind of precedent. But they have to do something - you can see that, can't you? This is something that ALL the other owners will see as a threat.

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The way this is handled is in owner's meetings. And I suspect it will be addressed.

I was reading that originally there was no moratorium. But that caused teams to talk to players "off the record" and it was a mess, which is why the moratorium was implemented.

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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation

You do realize that DJ went crying to the Clippers, not the other way around, right? He was too much of a pussy to keep his word and too scared to leave LA and take on the responsibility of a so-called "franchise player" in the end. This is all on him. I know his camp is trying to spin it as the Clippers begging for him and his mean old agent trying to dupe him into going to the Mavs, but I can't believe people are actually buying that crap.

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Dude, don't make excuses for your sorry franchise. Just admit they acted low class and move on.

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Originally Posted by SpursFan86

http://i.imgur.com/kqZ7WL3.gif

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Dammit!

Pathetic move.

July 8th, 2010 – “The Decision”
July 8th, 2015 – “The Indecision”

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Originally Posted by cd98

i know promissory estoppel well. I'm an attorney and I've been involved in many breach of contract cases. It doesn't fit under these facts. And guys like Ballmer would hire good attorneys to make it go away. And Cuban has good attorneys that would tell him not to bother. There will be no lawsuits.

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Yeah, but are you a good attorney? Just kidding. I'll defer to the attorney. Thanks for the info.

Like I said to Nono, though, the league is going to have to make a statement. And I don't think they'll reward the Clippers for a move like this. The collective weight of the owners has to be given some weight. And I can't imagine that any of the others are please with the prospect of this happening to them.