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Re: Duncan finalizing 2 year deal
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Originally Posted by
Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
If the Spurs waive Williams and renounce Bonner (which they probably will as both can be brought back with the Vet min), they will have the full MLE. But factor in the Ray trade and so they will have around 4.3mil in cap to work. That should be more than enough to sign an impact player. They will have to use this before signing Green/Kawhi/West, etc.
As I have said repeatedly, I hope the Spurs try and get Shved. Be the perfect replacement for the Beli role on this team. If Butler wants to come here, he can for the Vet Min like West.
Shaved is a bonehead player...
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Tony Parker is just another person that has stolen from Duncan tbh
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It's amazing the sacrifices Duncan continues to make to offset the bloated contracts from the declining players on the team.
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Re: Duncan finalizing 2 year deal
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Originally Posted by
jhfenton
No. Richie was correct. They'll have $2,771,564 or so under the cap to sign Manu. That will put them exactly at $70.0MM.
They will not have the full MLE, just the Room.
Edited: Did you gross up LMA's contract to the actual max based on the new cap? It will be at $19,689,000, a lot more than originally estimated.
They have 2.8mil now. They can use the room mid-level expection on Manu and keep that cap space, that is what Chinook was noting in his post. They can renounce Bonner and Williams and increase that figure.
Room exception allows a team to sign a player without using cap space if they are far enough under the cap that they lose all their existing exceptions, which is the case for the Spurs. Spurs currently aren't using the Bi-Annual exception (last used on Nando), so they can use the room exception.
Otherwise it would be pointless for Duncan to take 5mil as oppose to 6.5mil.
Spurs aren't using the MLE as well, as that last was used on Diaw. So good thing they didn't use it last year as now the Room Exception is available to them this year.
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Re: Duncan finalizing 2 year deal
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Originally Posted by
Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
They have 2.8mil now. They can use the room mid-level expection on Manu and keep that cap space, that is what Chinook was noting in his post. They can renounce Bonner and Williams and increase that figure.
Room exception allows a team to sign a player without using cap space if they are far enough under the cap that they lose all their existing exceptions, which is the case for the Spurs. Spurs currently aren't using the Bi-Annual exception (last used on Nando), so they can use the room exception.
Otherwise it would be pointless for Duncan to take 5mil as oppose to 6.5mil.
I'm not sure your point. I was disagreeing as to your statement that the Spurs would have the MLE (or its equivalent in cap space, I wasn't sure which you meant). Neither is accurate.
After signing Aldridge and Duncan (and before signing the others), they will have $2.77MM in cap room left to sign Manu. Then they can sign their Bird players and exception players. If they do that, they would still have the Room exception.
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Re: Duncan finalizing 2 year deal
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Originally Posted by
Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
If the Spurs waive Williams and renounce Bonner (which they probably will as both can be brought back with the Vet min), they will have the full MLE. But factor in the Ray trade and so they will have around 4.3mil in cap to work. That should be more than enough to sign an impact player. They will have to use this before signing Green/Kawhi/West, etc.
As I have said repeatedly, I hope the Spurs try and get Shved. Be the perfect replacement for the Beli role on this team. If Butler wants to come here, he can for the Vet Min like West.
Shved? Nah. Rather they keep the extra room and wait for buyouts down the line.
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Johnny RIngo
Shved? Nah. Rather they keep the extra room and wait for buyouts down the line.
That's good and all, but think the Spurs need to keep Manu and Parker fresh for the playoffs. Waiting until March isn't going to just that. That is why the Spurs traded for Ray. Spurs need a wing now so Manu's minutes are reduced as well.
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Just out of curiousity, I would have loved to have seen Duncan shop around as a free agent to see what kind of offers he would get from teams. Not to leave of course but to see what his real market value was.
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Originally Posted by
BatManu20
Weew!!!
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Re: Duncan finalizing 2 year deal
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Originally Posted by
jhfenton
I'm not sure your point. I was disagreeing as to your statement that the Spurs would have the MLE (or its equivalent in cap space, I wasn't sure which you meant). Neither is accurate.
After signing Aldridge and Duncan (and before signing the others), they will have $2.77MM in cap room left to sign Manu. Then they can sign their Bird players and exception players. If they do that, they would still have the Room exception.
I know that. But, instead of signing Manu with cap space, they can use the Room, renounce Bonner and Williams, and have even more salary to sign a player. They can go ahead and just sign everyone and have the room and wait for Buyouts. But if you want to sign an immediate impact player, it would be best to use the Room on Manu, and renounce/waive Bonner/Williams, and have even more money spend on another FA.
If you read my first post on the subject. I basically said this ENSURES the Spurs have the Room Exception. But they also have the option to increase their cap space to sign another impact player before resigning Green/Kawhi, which IMO, is the best route.
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BatManu20
Timmy! :smokin
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no MLE. We were under cap, so we don't qualify for it.
Shved rumored to be resigning with Knicks for like 2.8 millions versus going back to Russia.
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baseline bum
Man, Duncan's worth $20 million and he signs for $5 million so the Spurs can go get another $20 million player too? And West is probably an $8 or $9 million player for $1.5 million. We have to be the most fucking spoiled fanbase in all of professional sports.
HARD TO EMULATE :toast:
him agreeing to such a discount (OMG, thanks #21), would like the FO to look for his back-up. To help him in the middle. Go FIND a decent one.
You owe him that FO.
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Originally Posted by
lmbebo
no MLE. We were under cap, so we don't qualify for it.
Shved rumored to be resigning with Knicks for like 2.8 millions versus going back to Russia.
Spurs can offer more. That is the whole point of Duncan signing for less. So the Spurs can now have more than the Room Exception to outbid teams for FAs right now.
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Originally Posted by
Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
I know that. But, instead of signing Manu with cap space, they can use the Room, renounce Bonner and Williams, and have even more salary to sign a player. They can go ahead and just sign everyone and have the room and wait for Buyouts. But if you want to sign an immediate impact player, it would be best to use the Room on Manu, and renounce/waive Bonner/Williams, and have even more money spend on another FA.
If you read my first post on the subject. I basically said this ENSURES the Spurs have the Room Exception. But they also have the option to increase their cap space to sign another impact player before resigning Green/Kawhi, which IMO, is the best route.
But they don't have more than the Room. They happen to have about the same as the Room. A hair less, in fact, from my numbers. And they can't carry it forward. Once they sign Danny or Kawhi, they won't have that.
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baseline bum
Man, Duncan's worth $20 million and he signs for $5 million so the Spurs can go get another $20 million player too? And West is probably an $8 or $9 million player for $1.5 million. We have to be the most fucking spoiled fanbase in all of professional sports.
Perhaps, but did you see what little Atlanta had to give up for Splitter?
Anyways, yes, surely between trusted people screwing Duncan over through the years he's managed to squirrel away a healthy amount. Also, iirc, the idea with this contract is that he ends up getting paid $10 mil for one season. So the second year is close to or fully guaranteed. Of course, is he really going to be able to walk away from the game?
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BatManu20
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$5MM+. So we don't know what the exact numbers are yet. But they're close enough to possibly allow Manu and Duncan under the cap.
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Re: Duncan finalizing 2 year deal
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Originally Posted by
Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
I know that. But, instead of signing Manu with cap space, they can use the Room, renounce Bonner and Williams, and have even more salary to sign a player. They can go ahead and just sign everyone and have the room and wait for Buyouts. But if you want to sign an immediate impact player, it would be best to use the Room on Manu, and renounce/waive Bonner/Williams, and have even more money spend on another FA.
If you read my first post on the subject. I basically said this ENSURES the Spurs have the Room Exception. But they also have the option to increase their cap space to sign another impact player before resigning Green/Kawhi, which IMO, is the best route.
I think you might be a bit confused, or you're way ahead of me in some way. If we used the Room Exception to sign someone we would lose the cap space because it would put us at the cap. We can't keep cap space while using the Room and Minimum Exceptions to sign players as our salary will go over the cap.
We can, however, give Manu the rest of our cap space (equivalent to Room Exception) and keep the Room Exception for later in the season or another free agent this summer.
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Re: Duncan finalizing 2 year deal
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Originally Posted by
jhfenton
But they don't have more than the Room. They happen to have about the same as the Room. A hair less, in fact, from my numbers. And they can't carry it forward. Once they sign Danny or Kawhi, they won't have that.
That is why, renounce/waive Bonner/Williams (give the Spurs an addition 2.5mil in cap space) and sign a player now OR just use that existing cap on Manu and keep the Room. Its either or. Spurs would just have more monies to sign a FA IF they do so before resigning Kawhi/Green/etc.
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Re: Duncan finalizing 2 year deal
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Richie
I think you might be a bit confused, or you're way ahead of me in some way. If we used the Room Exception to sign someone we would lose the cap space because it would put us at the cap. We can't keep cap space while using the Room and Minimum Exceptions to sign players as our salary will go over the cap.
We can, however, give Manu the rest of our cap space (equivalent to Room Exception) and keep the Room Exception for later in the season or another free agent this summer.
You and I are on the same page. I don't understand Cowboys_Wear_Spurs's thinking either.
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Re: Duncan finalizing 2 year deal
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Originally Posted by
Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
That is why, renounce/waive Bonner/Williams (give the Spurs an addition 2.5mil in cap space) and sign a player now OR just use that existing cap on Manu and keep the Room. Its either or. Spurs would just have more monies to sign a FA IF they do so before resigning Kawhi/Green/etc.
I'm taking those renunciations as a given, along with a dozen others (former players like Horry and Van Exel). That would leave roughly $2.7MM to sign Manu or another player. Might as well be Manu. That would leave the $2.8MM Room exception for a vet down the road. That has to be the order.
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Re: Duncan finalizing 2 year deal
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Originally Posted by
Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
That is why, renounce/waive Bonner/Williams (give the Spurs an addition 2.5mil in cap space) and sign a player now OR just use that existing cap on Manu and keep the Room. Its either or. Spurs would just have more monies to sign a FA IF they do so before resigning Kawhi/Green/etc.
The benefit of just giving Manu the cap space is to get everyone else their guaranteed contracts asap and we can deal with more players later.
