48 Minutes of Hell: Ray McCallum Gives Spurs Stability, New Point Guard To Develop

I watched McCallum a lot during his rookie season; and I can tell you that he's nothing special. A youtube vid of him making some shots does not change that reality.

The fact is that we had a great option in place with Bryce Cotton; but the Spurs were too risk averse to his size.

BC had a 60.2 TS and 22.4 ppg in 40 mpg.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ottobr02d.html

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To play devil's advocate to my natural line of thinking; McCallum may be more of the system player that the Spurs are looking for. The FO may want a guy who just swings the ball and not have another Cojo, who over dribbled. But from a raw talent standpoint: Cotton > McCallum

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Originally Posted by timvp

Yeah, I mean with CJ getting $30 million, one would assume McCallum would be worth -- what? -- $10 million or something in that ballpark. And the Spurs got him for a second round pick while owing less than $1 million.

Great trade, IMO, even if he it doesn't pan out. There's almost zero risk and the reward is possibly a young player who could soak up minutes with some upside potential.

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RC said as much in his Q&A sitdown, that they wouldn't have been able to afford him if he were on the open market. Good value, low risk signing.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Yeah, I mean with CJ getting $30 million, one would assume McCallum would be worth -- what? -- $10 million or something in that ballpark. And the Spurs got him for a second round pick while owing less than $1 million.

Great trade, IMO, even if he it doesn't pan out. There's almost zero risk and the reward is possibly a young player who could soak up minutes with some upside potential.

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This seems like faulty thinking, IMO. Salaries at this level are exponential, not linear. It's a mistake to assume McCallum would command that much on the open market. As yet he's essentially untested, plus has the stink of Sacramento on him (while Joseph enjoyed a San Antonio premium). I think Ray would be looking at minimum offers and/or d-League berths, were he not under contract.

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Originally Posted by FkLA

Why did Pops not bench Enrique's lack of d effort then?

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Probably to piss you off and it's working like a charm

I don't see any downside to the trade.

My guess is the Spurs like is ability to penetrate and score at the rim. Those kind of players can be more successful as teams move away from 7 footers clogging the lane and essentially replacing them with power forwards. Plus I anticipate with all the power forwards on the team being able to shoot midrange jumpers, the lane should be wide open.

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Originally Posted by cd98

My guess is the Spurs like is ability to penetrate and score at the rim. Those kind of players can be more successful as teams move away from 7 footers clogging the lane and essentially replacing them with power forwards. Plus I anticipate with all the power forwards on the team being able to shoot midrange jumpers, the lane should be wide open.

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Yep. Not to mention that the Spurs' top 4 bigs all have the ability to step outside and hit the jumper. The Spurs will need cutters and weak side shooters.

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Originally Posted by Brazil

Probably to piss you off and it's working like a charm

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Shouldn't it piss off any real Spurs fan since it cost us a series? Only Enrique fans shouldn't have a problem with it tbh.

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Originally Posted by FkLA

Shouldn't it piss off any real Spurs fan since it cost us a series? Only Enrique fans shouldn't have a problem with it tbh.

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see... It works... Dat pop is smart tbh

keep on whining it's fun

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

This is argument is circular because it is a circular argument

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There's a difference between circular reasoning and tautology.

He's young and quick.... Sounds like someone I used to know.

-Doc.

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Originally Posted by Doc_Holiday

He's young and quick.... Sounds like someone I used to know.

-Doc.

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Shouldn't McCallum be also playing in SL for the Spurs? Shouldn't he have done what Simmons did? Hop on the next plane to Vegas!

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

This seems like faulty thinking, IMO. Salaries at this level are exponential, not linear. It's a mistake to assume McCallum would command that much on the open market. As yet he's essentially untested, plus has the stink of Sacramento on him (while Joseph enjoyed a San Antonio premium). I think Ray would be looking at minimum offers and/or d-League berths, were he not under contract.

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Nah, anyone who can do a decent job at starting PG for 30 games is going to get a lot more than the minimum. Mere competence at this position really runs at a premium.

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Originally Posted by Uriel

There's a difference between circular reasoning and tautology.

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That's because circular reasoning is circular reasoning and tautology is tautology and they're different.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Nah, anyone who can do a decent job at starting PG for 30 games is going to get a lot more than the minimum. Mere competence at this position really runs at a premium.

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Is starting in Sacramento evidence of competence?

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Originally Posted by tesseractive

Is starting in Sacramento evidence of competence?

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Yes. It's the NBA.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Nah, anyone who can do a decent job at starting PG for 30 games is going to get a lot more than the minimum. Mere competence at this position really runs at a premium.

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Really? Then why did Aaron Brooks, Shane Larkin, Ronnie Price, Jeremy Lin and others not make bank? Don't say it's because they can't do a 'decent job' at starting PG (starting wasn't the qualifier, anyway) or are demonstrably worse than Ray McCallum. No, McCallum couldn't command $10 million in the open market. Not now, maybe in the future.

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Originally Posted by Darkwaters

Hes a 3rd PG with actually a fair amount of experience. One year rental also with no long-term commitment to him financially. Seems to be about as good of a fit as we could hope for.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

Really? Then why did Aaron Brooks, Shane Larkin, Ronnie Price, Jeremy Lin and others not make bank? Don't say it's because they can't do a 'decent job' at starting PG (starting wasn't the qualifier, anyway) or are demonstrably worse than Ray McCallum. No, McCallum couldn't command $10 million in the open market. Not now, maybe in the future.

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I said he would make more than the minimum. All the people you listed made more than the minimum. None of them are looking at D-League berths.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

I said he would make more than the minimum. All the people you listed made more than the minimum. None of them are looking at D-League berths.

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No, you said a lot more than minimum. And I was responding to a specific post which wasn't talking about the minimum in any way.

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

This is argument is circular because it is a circular argument

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What you did there was very nice. Very nice was what you did there.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

No, you said a lot more than minimum. And I was responding to a specific post which wasn't talking about the minimum in any way.

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What were you talking about then?

When you were talking about D-League and minimum contracts, you should probably list guys who are making D-League and minimum contracts.

I say the answer i somewhere between that and CJ's salary, which is much more than the minimum when you get right down to it.

:lol arguing market value for a third string PG.

Apparently RC thinks he's s good value for his current salary, but what does it really matter? The kid is likely not going to mean to this team what CoJo meant, but hopefully they won't be put in a position to test it. He looks good enough to give spot assignments or garbage blowout minutes, and that's all he should be called on to do. If he exceeds then it's gravy.

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Originally Posted by FkLA

Better than Enrique's playoff numbers tbh.

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:lol

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

What were you talking about then?

When you were talking about D-League and minimum contracts, you should probably list guys who are making D-League and minimum contracts.

I say the answer i somewhere between that and CJ's salary, which is much more than the minimum when you get right down to it.

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When you reply to a post that is replying to something before it, you should read the quoted post, alright? That way you are actually likely to say something vaguely useful to the topic instead of what turns out to be unrelated nonsense.