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I know TD21 said the Spurs should go after him. Don't really see it, but there are worse folks who could come into camp, I guess.
Is this the 3 point shooter that the folks are looking for?
He seems to shoot with a good percentage. But I don't like his height at 6'4".
His name sounds familiar but I don't remember who he is. TD21 why are you high on him?
First McCallum, now Jenkins. PATFO going after guys who had their best games against us :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KitRRAiP9kk
Nice quick release (2015):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7BnP57r7-8
worth the minimum.... sign him up!
Jenkins was the best pure shooter in the 2012 draft, that year's R.J. Hunter.
It always seems some no name has a career night against the Spurs for some odd reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
Could it because there wasn't any scouting on the no-name player?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
Either that or they really get up to play the Spurs (Champs in that matter) to try and make a name for themselves? Motivation is a killer man, we found that out in 2014 after the finals loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Not a defensive player... could be a real problem. Spurs already have 3 players under 6'2".Quote:
Originally Posted by Drom John
Really good scorer out of Vandy. 3 point shooter. He can play. We need another scorer after losing Belli. Good pick up if it happens.
It's because he spurs can't contain athletic guards. Cough cough pork.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
John Jenkins came into the 2015 season trying to prove that he was finally recovered from a back injury that robbed him of virtually the entire 2014 season"
That's pretty relevant. You kind of need a backbone.
I guess the team will have to spread the floor for Jonathon Simmons. Mills and Jenkins will be an elite three point threat combo.
Okay, Bud passing the joint to Pop
Another elite three point shooter also gives the team lineup flexibility to play McCallum at pg while maintaining an elite 3pt shooter on the court.
It's nice to see that the Spurs are continuing to try and reload the team with young undervalued players.
Ray McCallum (Age, 24) - lots of NBA experience (including quite a bit of starting time).
Boban Marjanovic (Age, 26) - highly accomplished and experienced Euro player. Undervalued somewhat b/c of his plodding skillset. But his success in Europe is tantalizing
Jonathon Simmons (Age, 25) - least accomplished of the bunch with limited NCAA time and only NBDL experience. But an intriguing and flashy player that actually seems to have a ton of potential.
And now the most recent of the bunch is a 24 year old John Jenkins - another young, experienced and undervalued, NBA player. You can argue the merits or wisdom of any of these signings. But the end state seems pretty clear. The Spurs are intent on trying to reload with players that might have a future with the team beyond the next 24 months. It would have been very easy to just sign Rasual Butler, Carlos Delfino, Samuel Dalembert and Andre Miller and felt that they'd done their best to bolster their stars with a decent supporting cast. However, the Spurs have gone an entirely different route. The only true veteran free agent they've signed this year (other than Aldridge) is David West (which was definitely an unusually fortunate opportunity). Everyone else so far has been young, undervalued and still possessing at least a decent degree of upside. Hopefully this strategy pays dividends - because I think I like the idea of this path better.
He's could be the designated shooter that will be situational minutes ala Bonner. Kyle/Simmons are most likely going to eat up Marco's minutes w/ Patty being the designated shooter. Basically, replace CoJo w/ Kyle/Simmons & Marco w/ Patty.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
40% from 3 and still fairly young... Can raise that percentage with double teams to lemarcus/duncan/kawhi...
Jenkins is an exceptional shooter and has decent size at 6'4". Defensively, I'm sure he is at least comparable to Marco, probably quicker and more athletic just not as big. Offensively, I think he is a better shooter but he is not close to the creator/facilitator that Marco was. He needs someone to create for him in order to get his shot off, similar to that of Green. A combo of Simmons and Jenkins could be the Marco replacement although I'm not worried about "replacing" someone because this is a completely new team that will do things differently from last year. He is without a doubt worthy of a camp invite if healthy. If I was him, I would go overseas (if there's more money) and work on refining my game for a year or two. But I'd love to take a flyer on him.
I really like their signings so far. Not sure with John Jenkins, if he was taller I would be more convinced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkwaters
Spurs usually try and take the best player out of the game (cut the head off the snake type of thing) and force role players to make plays. That's why some role players seem to have great games against us, more opportunity.
I kinda like John Jenkins. He's a really damn good shooter. He's mostly just a spot-up shooter but he's not totally one-dimensional. He can dribble a little bit and seems to have a decent basketball IQ.
However, there are quite a bit of negatives:
-Bad defender. His ceiling is probably like an engaged Gary Neal, which is still pretty damn bad.
-He's already had back surgery. So he was already not very athletic and now he's even more unathletic.
-At 6-foot-4, he's too short to play small forward. He has long arms (6-foot-9 wingspan) and that allows him to play SG ... but he's not a PG at all and can't play SF.
-Coach Bud loves three-pointers even more than Pop and if he couldn't find playing time for Jenkins (who was the best shooter on the Hawks outside of Korver), that makes me really wonder if Pop would ever bother playing him.
It's tough for me to like Jenkins too much, especially since Jarell Eddie is a similar player and the Spurs could get him to training camp for a couple thousand dollars
Eddie is taller (he's about 6-foot-6) and has a faster release. Jenkins has a longer history of being a great shooter and while he's mostly just a shooter, Eddie is so one-dimensional that he makes Jenkins look like Magic Johnson.
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/john-jenkins
NBA Comparison: Dell Curry/ JJ Redick
Strengths: Hard to mention Jenkins without talking about his prolific jump shooting skills … Probably as good a pure jump shooter as their was in college hoops during his 3 seasons at Vanderbilt … Has a natural, fundamentally sound jumper that allows him to be nearly equally effective spotting up, coming off screens, and off the dribble … Always shoots the same shot, and keeps his shoulders and feet squared at all times … Quick release … At 6’4 in shoes and with a tremendous 6’8.5 wingspan, Jenkins has adequate tools to get his shots off against contests too … Legit NBA range … Is a constant threat to put the ball in the hoop with his jumper, and must be accounted for at all times … Will be a good scorer/shooting specialist for some team … Must watch out for his head fakes … The most underrated aspect of Jenkins game is his shiftiness, either with or without the ball … Able to make a quick move off the bounce, pull-up and hit mid-range shots … Sets up defenders well and can get you caught in screens well with his moves off the ball … Solid basic ball handling skills … Doesn’t need the ball in his hands for long to be effective scoring offensively … Excellent decision maker. Not very turnover prone at all … Pretty strong 220 lb wing with a sturdy lower body, which helps with his ability to stop on a dime when pulling up or getting shots off screens … All-around, Jenkins is a fundamentally sound player, who does just about everything the way it should be done … Very productive player in college, and led the SEC in scoring in his final 2 seasons … Attempted 6 threes a night on average throughout his career, and was a scorching 43% from downtown overall … Outstanding efficiency as a scorer, especially for someone who mostly made hay on jumpers, and with heavy defensive attention his way … Shows good touch around the rim when he gets there … Puts in effort on defense … Generally makes no mistakes from the FT line when he gets there … Shows good touch around the rim when he gets there … Described by coaches as a gym rat, who works hard on his game ...
Weaknesses: Jenkins falls into the category of shooting specialist who lags behind in the athleticism department … Jenkins is not a particularly quick, fast or explosive player at all … He struggles off the dribble to create much offense for himself because he simply doesn’t have the quickness to be more than a sporadic slasher to the rim … Doesn’t have many moves when handling the ball, and only does handle the ball when a jumper is simply out of the question … Off the dribble, especially when going left, Jenkins is almost exclusively looking for a mid-range pull-up … Teams will likely guard him very tight and look to make him a slasher until he shows more versatility putting the ball on the floor … Should look to develop a floater, especially with his touch, to give him a high percentage shot for when he goes amongst the trees to finish … Doesn’t pass the ball much … Will likely struggle on the defensive end, where his lack of quickness will probably be evident even with his solid fundamentals … Wont get many steals, and will need to be masked by other good team defenders to be most effective … Does not play above the rim … Not going to be as much of a factor in a up-tempo scheme as he is in a structured offense that can have sets to get him shots ...
Austin Daye just scored 52 points in the Drew league making like 8 3pt field goals. Maybe he's a better option than shooters who are too short or can't play defense. He's got length that makes the shot more difficult to contest in special situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Coach Bud waiving Jenkins is not a good sign.
Hawks also waived Daye, but it looked more like they were clearing cap room for the Milsap signing.
Sounds like a Danny Green that can't defend.Quote:
Originally Posted by random21
Please don't take anything away from what a player did in a Drew League game....We saw what Daye can do first hand.:nopeQuote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Shot lights out?Quote:
Originally Posted by nickdaquick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHl1dmMnyAM
Austin Daye is a 27 year old now with 6 years of NBA experience with 5 different franchises (one of them being the Spurs). Hes literally played for 18% of the league's teams and nobody has felt that hes worth keeping around even considering his cheap price tag. The ship has sailed on him. He just doesn't have it at the NBA level. He can light up Drew League but hes not much of an NBA player.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Even Kyle Anderson had a game where he was ballin'. People have nights where they get hot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
But what did Daye do for the Spurs the rest of the time? He shot 34.8% from the field and 33% from 3. Not exactly prolific. Sorry.
If one of them won't be good enough, we can just cut them, some ring-chaser veteran will always be available. I like this youth movement, TBH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkwaters
We call that a BeliQuote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Ehh, if he plays like he did this past year he'd be a pretty good Belinelli replacement. He only played in 24 games though, so I have doubts as to whether he could do so over the course of an entire season.
Regardless, I'm fine with him getting a workout. As others have said, I'm just glad to see us go after some younger guys for a change.
What about Scotty Hopson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNVyTaa9E7k
:wakeup
Richard Jefferson in the NBA finalsQuote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
McGradys 13 points in one play
Being 24 years old (still some upside to tap into) and having played for Bud in ATL already -- I like this.
He's not a capable lock down perimeter defender by any means but I love his efficiency shooting the ball.
His TS%, eFG%, and PER were all higher than Mills' last year and this is from a relevant sample size.
No, I'm no suggesting he'd replace Mills (obv). I just think as the roster stands, if Mills goes down, SA's offense would take a significant hit since they don't really have a reliable 3 point shooter off the bench outside of Mills and Manu ( but Manu would be the one creating w/ ball in most cases).
Spurs need another great shooter. Sign me up.
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
He's in Vegas with the Spurs? Probably a replacement for Bertans
Like his hustle. His shot reminds me a bit of Kevin Martin...
Belli had a really nice pull-up and moved very well without the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Besides dribbling, 2 more things Danny could add along with finishing around the rim.
No thanks.
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Originally Posted by Chinook
In addition to looking like a Spur and playing in the same system for the past two years, he's got the build and a similar enough skill set to work as a younger, cheaper, lesser version of Belinelli. Between the latter, Neal and Mason, they clearly like that type of player in a fourth wing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
I also like that, similar to McCallum, for all the obvious reasons, he should be highly motivated and though he's young, he's got 3 seasons under his belt, so he shouldn't be overwhelmed.
Jenkins actually had higher TS%, eFG% and PER than Beli and Mills last year. Not implying that Jenkins > Belinelli, but it may be closer than some may think -- AND he has upside.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
For the 14th spot, Spurs can do a lot worse.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
He's good enough and fits well enough to work as the fourth wing, but not good enough or established enough that he's likely to gripe if Anderson or Simmons is playing ahead of him.
In part, it may be because our defense is so good at taking away their first and second options that the players' down the chain are the ones we leave relatively open (by design), And sometimes those no names we're leaving open get hot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
Copeland was offered guaranteed contract... so if he accepts then John Jenkins is out.
He never got off the ground, here. But, in your wisdom don't overlook that coach Bud, who knows him far better than you ever will, picked him up for the Hawks as insurance. They didn't pick up his option this year, but that's not exactly because they think he's worthless. As long as Anderson is on the team, there's no place for Daye, but Bud picking him up should have given you a little pause. Now, return to you regularly scheduled programming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkwaters
The reason he got waived was Atlanta needed to free up space with the Milsap signing. Hawks also renounced rights to Elton Brand, John Jenkins and Gustavo Ayon.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlecoyotecoin
Spurs waived Daye because they felt Jamychal Green would be a better fit in the system. Only to have Green not agree to terms later.
So as I see it, if Spurs are still looking for a 3 point shooter, I would consider Daye over the rumored Copeland.
Sign me up for this. He's the type of underrated player that could be a nice addition. Similar to Belinelli a few seasons ago. I love this idea! Fits the team need for the back up slot.
So they were kicking the tires on him. He does have a great skill set with his shooting. But hes never quite been able to be relevant, has he?Quote:
Originally Posted by littlecoyotecoin
90% probability that hes in Europe next season. Hes just had too many opportunities in the NBA without any real success. Hes tantalizing for certain - but hes fools gold. Hey, I was very excited to get him for Nando de Colo and his bad attitude mid season. But very quickly it became apparent that hes nothing more than a 15th man in the NBA at best.
That would seem to be his ceiling at the moment, anyway. The Drew League is fun, but he should work on knocking down the three. If he could do that consistently, the rest is gravy. He couldn't do it here. C'est la vie.
On the contrary, since more and more teams going to small ball, there should be job openings for someone with Jenkins's shooting ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkwaters
darkwaters was talking about Austin Daye.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjktkk
Talking about Austin Daye.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjktkk
What I never liked about Daye was that he had terrible BBIQ, he thought he could dribble and would take aweful, terrible shots close to the basket. Kyle Anderson is a star compared to Daye and a lot younger. Daye would make aweful passes off the mark, and at some point apparently tried to correct his bad decision making and then stopped passing all together. He has a tendency to be chucker and like some one said: he was a one trick pony and was very bad at his one trick. Even as a rookie during the December stretch last year, KA looked better and played more than Daye. That was when I knew Daye was going to be out the door. He was shooting poorly, but on top of that you could not play him because he was aweful at everything else. If your PG/Wing rotation is decimated by injuries and you must roll with CoJo, Marco and Danny Green as your only legit players, and then you have to play your still looking very raw-deer in the headlights- rookie for significant minutes because Daye is unplayable, then you know Daye is not coming back to the Spurs.
We've had other guys who didn't have many tools who worked out ok. But having a bunch of sub-NBA-level skills and using them in games against the Pop's express wishes is not something that's going to be tolerated in a Spurs player. Daye just isn't a Spurs player.
Jenkins doesn't have a lot of tools, but at least he plays within himself. He seems like a pretty nice poor man's Belinelli to bring in for the minimum.
the Spurs roster this season is a versatile mix of the past, the present and the future...................................!!!!
if we get Jenkins, Bonner is gone, hu hu
i shall miss the Red Rocket, masterchef taster of the Spurs , hahahahahahahah
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Both were waived by Bud, so right now for all intents and purposes, they are both equivalent. I prefer Daye over Jenkins because you can't teach length. Bud had earlier signed them up because both could shoot the 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by tesseractive
Jenkins has been MVP of the preseason so far. Would have been much better if the Spurs rolled with him over Fredette.
He wouldn't take the non-guaranteed deal Spurs wanted to offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Austin_Toros
Well, there's something about Spurs training camp that is making new guys whither under the pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Austin_Toros