Spurs working out John Jenkins

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Spurs usually try and take the best player out of the game (cut the head off the snake type of thing) and force role players to make plays. That's why some role players seem to have great games against us, more opportunity.

I kinda like John Jenkins. He's a really damn good shooter. He's mostly just a spot-up shooter but he's not totally one-dimensional. He can dribble a little bit and seems to have a decent basketball IQ.

However, there are quite a bit of negatives:

-Bad defender. His ceiling is probably like an engaged Gary Neal, which is still pretty damn bad.

-He's already had back surgery. So he was already not very athletic and now he's even more unathletic.

-At 6-foot-4, he's too short to play small forward. He has long arms (6-foot-9 wingspan) and that allows him to play SG ... but he's not a PG at all and can't play SF.

-Coach Bud loves three-pointers even more than Pop and if he couldn't find playing time for Jenkins (who was the best shooter on the Hawks outside of Korver), that makes me really wonder if Pop would ever bother playing him.


It's tough for me to like Jenkins too much, especially since Jarell Eddie is a similar player and the Spurs could get him to training camp for a couple thousand dollars

Eddie is taller (he's about 6-foot-6) and has a faster release. Jenkins has a longer history of being a great shooter and while he's mostly just a shooter, Eddie is so one-dimensional that he makes Jenkins look like Magic Johnson.

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/john-jenkins

NBA Comparison: Dell Curry/ JJ Redick
Strengths: Hard to mention Jenkins without talking about his prolific jump shooting skills … Probably as good a pure jump shooter as their was in college hoops during his 3 seasons at Vanderbilt … Has a natural, fundamentally sound jumper that allows him to be nearly equally effective spotting up, coming off screens, and off the dribble … Always shoots the same shot, and keeps his shoulders and feet squared at all times … Quick release … At 6’4 in shoes and with a tremendous 6’8.5 wingspan, Jenkins has adequate tools to get his shots off against contests too … Legit NBA range … Is a constant threat to put the ball in the hoop with his jumper, and must be accounted for at all times … Will be a good scorer/shooting specialist for some team … Must watch out for his head fakes … The most underrated aspect of Jenkins game is his shiftiness, either with or without the ball … Able to make a quick move off the bounce, pull-up and hit mid-range shots … Sets up defenders well and can get you caught in screens well with his moves off the ball … Solid basic ball handling skills … Doesn’t need the ball in his hands for long to be effective scoring offensively … Excellent decision maker. Not very turnover prone at all … Pretty strong 220 lb wing with a sturdy lower body, which helps with his ability to stop on a dime when pulling up or getting shots off screens … All-around, Jenkins is a fundamentally sound player, who does just about everything the way it should be done … Very productive player in college, and led the SEC in scoring in his final 2 seasons … Attempted 6 threes a night on average throughout his career, and was a scorching 43% from downtown overall … Outstanding efficiency as a scorer, especially for someone who mostly made hay on jumpers, and with heavy defensive attention his way … Shows good touch around the rim when he gets there … Puts in effort on defense … Generally makes no mistakes from the FT line when he gets there … Shows good touch around the rim when he gets there … Described by coaches as a gym rat, who works hard on his game ...

Weaknesses: Jenkins falls into the category of shooting specialist who lags behind in the athleticism department … Jenkins is not a particularly quick, fast or explosive player at all … He struggles off the dribble to create much offense for himself because he simply doesn’t have the quickness to be more than a sporadic slasher to the rim … Doesn’t have many moves when handling the ball, and only does handle the ball when a jumper is simply out of the question … Off the dribble, especially when going left, Jenkins is almost exclusively looking for a mid-range pull-up … Teams will likely guard him very tight and look to make him a slasher until he shows more versatility putting the ball on the floor … Should look to develop a floater, especially with his touch, to give him a high percentage shot for when he goes amongst the trees to finish … Doesn’t pass the ball much … Will likely struggle on the defensive end, where his lack of quickness will probably be evident even with his solid fundamentals … Wont get many steals, and will need to be masked by other good team defenders to be most effective … Does not play above the rim … Not going to be as much of a factor in a up-tempo scheme as he is in a structured offense that can have sets to get him shots ...

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Originally Posted by timvp

I kinda like John Jenkins. He's a really damn good shooter. He's mostly just a spot-up shooter but he's not totally one-dimensional. He can dribble a little bit and seems to have a decent basketball IQ.

However, there are quite a bit of negatives:

-Bad defender. His ceiling is probably like an engaged Gary Neal, which is still pretty damn bad.

-He's already had back surgery. So he was already not very athletic and now he's even more unathletic.

-At 6-foot-4, he's too short to play small forward. He has long arms (6-foot-9 wingspan) and that allows him to play SG ... but he's not a PG at all and can't play SF.

-Coach Bud loves three-pointers even more than Pop and if he couldn't find playing time for Jenkins (who was the best shooter on the Hawks outside of Korver), that makes me really wonder if Pop would ever bother playing him.


It's tough for me to like Jenkins too much, especially since Jarell Eddie is a similar player and the Spurs could get him to training camp for a couple thousand dollars

Eddie is taller (he's about 6-foot-6) and has a faster release. Jenkins has a longer history of being a great shooter and while he's mostly just a shooter, Eddie is so one-dimensional that he makes Jenkins look like Magic Johnson.

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Austin Daye just scored 52 points in the Drew league making like 8 3pt field goals. Maybe he's a better option than shooters who are too short or can't play defense. He's got length that makes the shot more difficult to contest in special situations.

Coach Bud waiving Jenkins is not a good sign.

Hawks also waived Daye, but it looked more like they were clearing cap room for the Milsap signing.

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Originally Posted by random21

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/john-jenkins

NBA Comparison: Dell Curry/ JJ Redick
Strengths: Hard to mention Jenkins without talking about his prolific jump shooting skills … Probably as good a pure jump shooter as their was in college hoops during his 3 seasons at Vanderbilt … Has a natural, fundamentally sound jumper that allows him to be nearly equally effective spotting up, coming off screens, and off the dribble … Always shoots the same shot, and keeps his shoulders and feet squared at all times … Quick release … At 6’4 in shoes and with a tremendous 6’8.5 wingspan, Jenkins has adequate tools to get his shots off against contests too … Legit NBA range … Is a constant threat to put the ball in the hoop with his jumper, and must be accounted for at all times … Will be a good scorer/shooting specialist for some team … Must watch out for his head fakes … The most underrated aspect of Jenkins game is his shiftiness, either with or without the ball … Able to make a quick move off the bounce, pull-up and hit mid-range shots … Sets up defenders well and can get you caught in screens well with his moves off the ball … Solid basic ball handling skills … Doesn’t need the ball in his hands for long to be effective scoring offensively … Excellent decision maker. Not very turnover prone at all … Pretty strong 220 lb wing with a sturdy lower body, which helps with his ability to stop on a dime when pulling up or getting shots off screens … All-around, Jenkins is a fundamentally sound player, who does just about everything the way it should be done … Very productive player in college, and led the SEC in scoring in his final 2 seasons … Attempted 6 threes a night on average throughout his career, and was a scorching 43% from downtown overall … Outstanding efficiency as a scorer, especially for someone who mostly made hay on jumpers, and with heavy defensive attention his way … Shows good touch around the rim when he gets there … Puts in effort on defense … Generally makes no mistakes from the FT line when he gets there … Shows good touch around the rim when he gets there … Described by coaches as a gym rat, who works hard on his game ...

Weaknesses: Jenkins falls into the category of shooting specialist who lags behind in the athleticism department … Jenkins is not a particularly quick, fast or explosive player at all … He struggles off the dribble to create much offense for himself because he simply doesn’t have the quickness to be more than a sporadic slasher to the rim … Doesn’t have many moves when handling the ball, and only does handle the ball when a jumper is simply out of the question … Off the dribble, especially when going left, Jenkins is almost exclusively looking for a mid-range pull-up … Teams will likely guard him very tight and look to make him a slasher until he shows more versatility putting the ball on the floor … Should look to develop a floater, especially with his touch, to give him a high percentage shot for when he goes amongst the trees to finish … Doesn’t pass the ball much … Will likely struggle on the defensive end, where his lack of quickness will probably be evident even with his solid fundamentals … Wont get many steals, and will need to be masked by other good team defenders to be most effective … Does not play above the rim … Not going to be as much of a factor in a up-tempo scheme as he is in a structured offense that can have sets to get him shots ...

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Sounds like a Danny Green that can't defend.

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Originally Posted by ceperez

Austin Daye just scored 52 points in the Drew league making like 8 3pt field goals. Maybe he's a better option than shooters who are too short or can't play defense. He's got length that makes the shot more difficult to contest in special situations.

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Please don't take anything away from what a player did in a Drew League game....We saw what Daye can do first hand.:nope

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Originally Posted by nickdaquick

Please don't take anything away from what a player did in a Drew League game....We saw what Daye can do first hand.:nope

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Shot lights out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHl1dmMnyAM

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Originally Posted by ceperez

Austin Daye just scored 52 points in the Drew league making like 8 3pt field goals. Maybe he's a better option than shooters who are too short or can't play defense. He's got length that makes the shot more difficult to contest in special situations.

Coach Bud waiving Jenkins is not a good sign.

Hawks also waived Daye, but it looked more like they were clearing cap room for the Milsap signing.

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Austin Daye is a 27 year old now with 6 years of NBA experience with 5 different franchises (one of them being the Spurs). Hes literally played for 18% of the league's teams and nobody has felt that hes worth keeping around even considering his cheap price tag. The ship has sailed on him. He just doesn't have it at the NBA level. He can light up Drew League but hes not much of an NBA player.

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Originally Posted by ceperez

Shot lights out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHl1dmMnyAM

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Even Kyle Anderson had a game where he was ballin'. People have nights where they get hot.

But what did Daye do for the Spurs the rest of the time? He shot 34.8% from the field and 33% from 3. Not exactly prolific. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by Darkwaters

It's nice to see that the Spurs are continuing to try and reload the team with young undervalued players.

Ray McCallum (Age, 24) - lots of NBA experience (including quite a bit of starting time).

Boban Marjanovic (Age, 26) - highly accomplished and experienced Euro player. Undervalued somewhat b/c of his plodding skillset. But his success in Europe is tantalizing

Jonathon Simmons (Age, 25) - least accomplished of the bunch with limited NCAA time and only NBDL experience. But an intriguing and flashy player that actually seems to have a ton of potential.

And now the most recent of the bunch is a 24 year old John Jenkins - another young, experienced and undervalued, NBA player. You can argue the merits or wisdom of any of these signings. But the end state seems pretty clear. The Spurs are intent on trying to reload with players that might have a future with the team beyond the next 24 months. It would have been very easy to just sign Rasual Butler, Carlos Delfino, Samuel Dalembert and Andre Miller and felt that they'd done their best to bolster their stars with a decent supporting cast. However, the Spurs have gone an entirely different route. The only true veteran free agent they've signed this year (other than Aldridge) is David West (which was definitely an unusually fortunate opportunity). Everyone else so far has been young, undervalued and still possessing at least a decent degree of upside. Hopefully this strategy pays dividends - because I think I like the idea of this path better.

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If one of them won't be good enough, we can just cut them, some ring-chaser veteran will always be available. I like this youth movement, TBH.

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Originally Posted by ceperez

Sounds like a Danny Green that can't defend.

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We call that a Beli

Ehh, if he plays like he did this past year he'd be a pretty good Belinelli replacement. He only played in 24 games though, so I have doubts as to whether he could do so over the course of an entire season.

Regardless, I'm fine with him getting a workout. As others have said, I'm just glad to see us go after some younger guys for a change.

What about Scotty Hopson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNVyTaa9E7k

:wakeup

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Originally Posted by BatManu20

First McCallum, now Jenkins. PATFO going after guys who had their best games against us :lol

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Richard Jefferson in the NBA finals

McGradys 13 points in one play

Being 24 years old (still some upside to tap into) and having played for Bud in ATL already -- I like this.

He's not a capable lock down perimeter defender by any means but I love his efficiency shooting the ball.

His TS%, eFG%, and PER were all higher than Mills' last year and this is from a relevant sample size.

No, I'm no suggesting he'd replace Mills (obv). I just think as the roster stands, if Mills goes down, SA's offense would take a significant hit since they don't really have a reliable 3 point shooter off the bench outside of Mills and Manu ( but Manu would be the one creating w/ ball in most cases).

Spurs need another great shooter. Sign me up.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

We call that a Beli

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:lol

He's in Vegas with the Spurs? Probably a replacement for Bertans

Like his hustle. His shot reminds me a bit of Kevin Martin...

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

We call that a Beli

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Belli had a really nice pull-up and moved very well without the ball.
Besides dribbling, 2 more things Danny could add along with finishing around the rim.

No thanks.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I know TD21 said the Spurs should go after him. Don't really see it, but there are worse folks who could come into camp, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Robz4000

His name sounds familiar but I don't remember who he is. TD21 why are you high on him?

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In addition to looking like a Spur and playing in the same system for the past two years, he's got the build and a similar enough skill set to work as a younger, cheaper, lesser version of Belinelli. Between the latter, Neal and Mason, they clearly like that type of player in a fourth wing.

I also like that, similar to McCallum, for all the obvious reasons, he should be highly motivated and though he's young, he's got 3 seasons under his belt, so he shouldn't be overwhelmed.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

In addition to looking like a Spur and playing in the same system for the past two years, he's got the build and a similar enough skill set to work as a younger, cheaper, lesser version of Belinelli. Between the latter, Neal and Mason, they clearly like that type of player in a fourth wing.

I also like that, similar to McCallum, for all the obvious reasons, he should be highly motivated and though he's young, he's got 3 seasons under his belt, so he shouldn't be overwhelmed.

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Jenkins actually had higher TS%, eFG% and PER than Beli and Mills last year. Not implying that Jenkins > Belinelli, but it may be closer than some may think -- AND he has upside.

For the 14th spot, Spurs can do a lot worse.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Jenkins actually had higher TS%, eFG% and PER than Beli and Mills last year. Not implying that Jenkins > Belinelli, but it may be closer than some may think -- AND he has upside.

For the 14th spot, Spurs can do a lot worse.

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Agreed.

He's good enough and fits well enough to work as the fourth wing, but not good enough or established enough that he's likely to gripe if Anderson or Simmons is playing ahead of him.