Sportando: Chris Copeland considering offers from SA, Milwaukee, and LAC

He was pretty solid in his first two seasons. Looks like he had a really underwhelming season last year, though.

Again, seems the Spurs are intent on going the "Young guys with upside" route rather than chasing 35+ year-old veterans.

edit: err, scratch that. He's not "old", but he is 31. I just remember him entering the league a few years ago, so I assumed he was relatively young.

Would be a nice fit ! Not sure about his defensive woes though.

Stats from his first two season: 20 points per 36 minutes, 42% from 3, 52% on 2's, 17 PER, .133 WS/48

Guaranteed offer from the Spurs??!

Well, he's got a decent 3 point percentage.

:lol 31 the New young w upside

Wonder if David West recommended him in some way?

I guess he is fully healed from being stabbed?

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/04/08/i...night-club.ap/

Our offer has to be the minimum doesn't it?

He's not as young as some of you may think -- he's 31 already.

He had an underwhelming year last year and that's somewhat concerning -- considering last year was probably the biggest contract year of his professional career.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

He's not as young as some of you may think -- he's 31 already.

He had an underwhelming year last year and that's somewhat concerning -- considering last year was probably the biggest contract year of his professional career.

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He was playing for the Pacers.... David West also had an underwelming year.

Can't remember, is he a 4 or a 3?

Spurs are obviously looking to add a shooter which is logical given their roster. McCallum, Simmons and Anderson aren't true shooters even if they can hit some 3's. We'll see who they will get.

Last year highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdDRv1S-sTk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLZx22L19p0

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Can't remember, is he a 4 or a 3?

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He can play both. I'd have to imagine the Spurs would be playing him as a 3 though.

Don't know too much of him. If he can play 10-15 mins at SF I'm down for vet min.

Probably plays PF more though right? Anyone?

Meh. Came out of nowhere to have a really good rookie season with the Knicks two seasons ago. But the last two seasons with the Pacers he has been pretty damn bad -- especially last season.

He's 6-foot-8 so hypothetically he has good size for a SF but he's slow so he's actually easier to hide on defense as a PF. Either way, he's a poor defensive player. He hustles, plays with energy and has range on his shot but he was so bad last year that I struggle to advocate signing him even for a partially guaranteed minimum contract. The Pacers really needed him with all their injuries and he didn't produce at all.

When he's going good, Copeland can score buckets in a hurry. But it appears as if he's lost a step since his breakout rookie season so now he's basically a three-point specialist who is bad at defense that might not even be able to play SF for much longer -- especially if he loses another step after the stabbing (and/or aging).

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Originally Posted by timvp

Meh. Came out of nowhere to have a really good rookie season with the Knicks two seasons ago. But the last two seasons with the Pacers he has been pretty damn bad -- especially last season.

He's 6-foot-8 so hypothetically he has good size for a SF but he's slow so he's actually easier to hide on defense as a PF. Either way, he's a poor defensive player. He hustles, plays with energy and has range on his shot but he was so bad last year that I struggle to advocate signing him even for a partially guaranteed minimum contract. The Pacers really needed him with all their injuries and he didn't produce at all.

When he's going good, Copeland can score buckets in a hurry. But it appears as if he's lost a step since his breakout rookie season so now he's basically a three-point specialist who is bad at defense that might not even be able to play SF for much longer -- especially if he loses another step after the stabbing (and/or aging).

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meh? He supposedly already has a guaranteed offer!

According to Bkref, he's played 36% of his minutes at SF and 50% at PF. He's listed at 6'9", 235 pounds.

He's got decent size. Seem to be a pretty good 3 point shooter. Other than that, I wouldn't trust him dribbling the ball.

He spent a long time playing in Europe, so he knows the European game.

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meh? He supposedly already has a guaranteed offer!

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"Player X has a guaranteed offer from the Spurs" is a phrase agents have been leaking for years to drum up interest in their clients.

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Originally Posted by timvp

"Player X has a guaranteed offer from the Spurs" is a phrase agents have been leaking for years to drum up interest in their clients.

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Saying you have a guaranteed offer is very different from saying that the Spurs are interested.

He could take that minimum offer from the Spurs and the Spurs would have 14 slots filled up.

So you better pray that he doesn't take the Spurs up on the offer!

HE get more playing time elsewhere

He sucks, tbh..players tend to get really overhyped when they have early success with the Knicks or Lakers..

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Originally Posted by ducks

HE get more playing time elsewhere

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Between the Spurs, Bucks and Clippers? I don't think he'll get playing time on any of them.

SPURS take Pacers good and bad players nowadays. I may want to keep Ayres instead of Copeland. At least Ayres can play some dirty defenses.

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Originally Posted by ceperez

So you better pray that he doesn't take the Spurs up on the offer!

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Meh. For whatever reason, there really aren't any interesting options that fit the cheap, veteran, three-point shooting small forward need the Spurs are trying to fill right now. Copeland is pretty damn bad but all the other options are pretty damn bad too so I can't get upset.

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Originally Posted by ceperez

He was playing for the Pacers.... David West also had an underwelming year.

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How is any of this relevant to Chris Copelands season last year?

My guess is they can always buy out and waive any of these one year guys if something better comes along, assuming that "something better" would take a minimum contract.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

He's not as young as some of you may think -- he's 31 already.

He had an underwhelming year last year and that's somewhat concerning -- considering last year was probably the biggest contract year of his professional career.

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From what I recall using him as a bench player on FBL, he earned a starter position and then lost it. Later that year, he got stabbed and was out for year so... yeah, not a year to remember at all.

he's never passed my eye test.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Meh. For whatever reason, there really aren't any interesting options that fit the cheap, veteran, three-point shooting small forward need the Spurs are trying to fill right now. Copeland is pretty damn bad but all the other options are pretty damn bad too so I can't get upset.

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Rasual Butler & Dorell Wright both seem to be better options IMO.

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Originally Posted by cd98

My guess is they can always buy out and waive any of these one year guys if something better comes along, assuming that "something better" would take a minimum contract.

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Given the lux tax implications, I doubt the Spurs waive a guaranteed contract this season.

So basically, he's considering offers from SA and LA, because nobody in their right fucking mind wants to go to Milwaukee.

And don't give me that "but the East is weak" story. He'd just be signing up to be another Cavs casualty.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

How is any of this relevant to Chris Copelands season last year?

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Well, the Pacers were an eye sore last year. I mean, they needed offense in the worst way. So if he struggled to shoot when he probably had a green light, that would be disconcerting. Spurs probably think SA is a better situation because the Pacers were so limited offensively, that defenders could cheat off their man to help contain anyone with scoring ability. Presumably, it would be difficult for a guy like Copeland to get free for a good look. In SA, role players are going to get plenty of open looks.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Given the lux tax implications, I doubt the Spurs waive a guaranteed contract this season.

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Probably, but I wonder if they'd pay the tax this year if there was a player that was worth it. I mean if David West takes an 11 million dollar hit, I would think the Spurs would do the same if the cost was warrented. TBH, the scrap heap of veterans isn't all that great, hence the Spurs opt to go with upside. But towards the end of the season, if a good player gets bought out, then maybe.

I am sure the Spurs consulted with David West prior to making the offer.

My hunch says that he's looking for a bigger payday, but will accept the minimum. He hasn't made a lot of money in his career, so winning a championship is not a high priority.

However, he saw how much former Spurs players got paid, so maybe he signs up with the Spurs to get some more upside.

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Originally Posted by Dex

So basically, he's considering offers from SA and LA, because nobody in their right fucking mind wants to go to Milwaukee.

And don't give me that "but the East is weak" story. He'd just be signing up to be another Cavs casualty.

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Bucks are doing a good job assembling a competitive team. They may be a surprise no. 2 seed in the East.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Rasual Butler & Dorell Wright both seem to be better options IMO.

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Wright is garbage, tbh, but I agree with Rasual Butler, mostly because he's accustomed to being at the end of the bench, he won't ask for increased touches or minutes..

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Originally Posted by ceperez

I am sure the Spurs consulted with David West prior to making the offer.

My hunch says that he's looking for a bigger payday, but will accept the minimum. He hasn't made a lot of money in his career, so winning a championship is not a high priority.

However, he saw how much former Spurs players got paid, so maybe he signs up with the Spurs to get some more upside.

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If he can't get the contract he wants, he might be going where he can showcase for next year's free agency.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Wright is garbage, tbh, but I agree with Rasual Butler, mostly because he's accustomed to being at the end of the bench, he won't ask for increased touches or minutes..

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Wright isn't worse than Copeland and Wright still had an excellent 3PT % last year IIRC

No way in hell Copeland gets more than a minimum deal.

Fans and media buy into Knicks/Lakers hype every year regarding their "young players with upside", tbh..Landry Fields, Channing Frye, Chris Copeland and a long list of Knicks from the past 5-7 years were hyped as players with "upside" out of false hope..further, players like Iman Shumpert, Gallinari, Jeremy Lin and others were hyped as future stars because they played for the Knicks:lol..

Same with the Lakers, see: Earl Clark, Ramon Sessions, Ed Davis, and now Randle/Clarkson..

It's essentially the equivalent of Jonathon Simmons receiving media hype and attention if the Spurs were a big market team like the Knicks or Lakers, tbh..

Pass.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Wright isn't worse than Copeland and Wright still had an excellent 3PT % last year IIRC

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I'd take Wright over Copeland, but I wouldn't want either, tbh..

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Originally Posted by timvp

No way in hell Copeland gets more than a minimum deal.

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Just looked again at his stats, I don't think he can get more than the minimum.

Also.... zero upside in terms of talent. I am surprised that the Spurs gave him an offer. Should have left the #14 slot open for flexibility.

As long as it's not Bonner.

I'd rather keep Bonner, tbh..

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Originally Posted by cd98

Bucks are doing a good job assembling a competitive team. They may be a surprise no. 2 seed in the East.

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True, the Bucks have made some surprisingly good moves. Convincing Monroe to come there was a shocker.

But if recent history is any indication, the no. 2 seed in the East is still just another team to fall to Lebron.

I may not like him, but until proven otherwise, I'm going to just assume his streak of Finals appearances is going to continue.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

I'd rather keep Bonner, tbh..

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I agree with you here... unfortunately, there is a pending offer!

This could be the worse signing of the offseason for the Spurs!

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Originally Posted by cd98

Bucks are doing a good job assembling a competitive team. They may be a surprise no. 2 seed in the East.

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They are, but still desperately need a PG that can make a shot outside of 3-feet, tbh:lol..

Is this an obvious downgrade over Belinelli?

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

I'd take Wright over Copeland, but I wouldn't want either, tbh..

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Well, sure, but I wouldn't mind Wright in this role too much. Especially when the alternative is Copeland, Wright looks pretty good to me :lol.

Wright still shot 38% from 3 and some nearly posted an average PER, while Copeland posted a PER of 7.

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Originally Posted by ceperez

I agree with you here... unfortunately, there is a pending offer!

This could be the worse signing of the offseason for the Spurs!

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Meh, there are no "bad" signings for the minimum IMO..they're taking a flier, it might work, doesn't really hurt..

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

I'd take Wright over Copeland, but I wouldn't want either, tbh..

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Not saying much, but I'd take Gigi Datome over both.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Not saying much, but I'd take Gigi Datome over both.

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Ya, we discussed him in another thread..not very skilled or talented, but I'd like to see the Spurs get another energy guy off the bench, this team has many nights where Pop benches the entire starting unit, and the entire team looks flat..Mills and occasionally Manu are the only "energy" guys on the team..

Hopefully Simmons will be that dude, though..

While I agree it's just a min signing and nothing too much to get worked up about, I definitely see a pretty clear difference in guys like Wright/Butler for the same price as Copeland unless people really believe he just had a really bad/off year and can bounce back (possible).

But going off of last year, at least a guy like Wright is still grading out as a positive player (or at least not a really net negative).

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Originally Posted by timvp

Meh. For whatever reason, there really aren't any interesting options that fit the cheap, veteran, three-point shooting small forward need the Spurs are trying to fill right now. Copeland is pretty damn bad but all the other options are pretty damn bad too so I can't get upset.

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Perhaps he has made a commitment to turn his life around and the Spurs are considering giving him a chance. 42% from the 3 is doing something right. We have an embarrassment of riches at the 4, so the Spurs are probably asking him to get in shape and see if he can spell Kawhi for some minutes.

I'm leaning agent-speak on this one

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Perhaps he has made a commitment to turn his life around and the Spurs are considering giving him a chance. 42% from the 3 is doing something right. We have an embarrassment of riches at the 4, so the Spurs are probably asking him to get in shape and see if he can spell Kawhi for some minutes.

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Rather give those minutes to the winner of the inevitable Anderson/Simmons competition.

Copelands' best years are behind him.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Rather give those minutes to the winner of the inevitable Anderson/Simmons competition.

Copelands' best years are behind him.

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So far I'm thinking that is the game-plan. Even if he were to come on board he'll have to compete against those two for pt. Will be nice to have some competition for those minutes.

Unless he's just dying at a chance to win a Chip, there's no reason for him to sign with SA over LAC or the Bucks. He can both make more money and get more PT at either of those places.

No thanks.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Rather give those minutes to the winner of the inevitable Anderson/Simmons competition.

Copelands' best years are behind him.

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Simmons is a sg.
Manu needs to be spelled throughout the year. He can't bear a heavy load.
They need a sf. Anderson isn't close to a true sf. Copeland is much closer and allows flexibility. Not the best option but what else is out there that'll take the min?
Im sure the last of the crop hasn't signed because they want money. Otherwise they would have chose a spot on a contender already. So if they can't find it, we might luck out, but you have to fill that backup sf. Anderson doesn't fit the Bill quite well.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Rather give those minutes to the winner of the inevitable Anderson/Simmons competition.

Copelands' best years are behind him.

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You have to understand that the team has no accomplished or experienced depth on the wings outside of Leonard, Green and Ginobili. While Simmons and Anderson both have promise, they're still just prospects that haven't proven anything at the NBA level (Simmons especially). While a veteran like Copeland, Butler or Wright might seem like a progress stopper (and in many ways they would be) they're actually a very important insurance policy. The great thing about vets like that too is they're often pretty content to just be in a winning locker room. While they'd love to play, if they get beat out by a young gun they're often more willing to accept the benching because they know their career is winding down and this is the last hoorah.

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So far I'm thinking that is the game-plan. Even if he were to come on board he'll have to compete against those two for pt. Will be nice to have some competition for those minutes.

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Bucks are pretty set at small forward. Clips may not be set at SF, but they've picked up a lot of guys to compete for minutes behind Pierce. No one is paying more than the min. Spurs and Bucks have great SF, so I think Clips are the ones.

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Originally Posted by Mnky

Simmons is a sg.
Manu needs to be spelled throughout the year. He can't bear a heavy load.
They need a sf. Anderson isn't close to a true sf. Copeland is much closer and allows flexibility. Not the best option but what else is out there that'll take the min?
Im sure the last of the crop hasn't signed because they want money. Otherwise they would have chose a spot on a contender already. So if they can't find it, we might luck out, but you have to fill that backup sf. Anderson doesn't fit the Bill quite well.

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SG/SF positions have always had the same responsibilities in the Spurs' system w/ their size dictating the defensive responsibilities. Last year Manu and Belinelli backed up Leonard and they are "SGs" -- same will apply w/ winner of Simmons/Anderson competition since Beli is gone now.

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You have to understand that the team has no accomplished or experienced depth on the wings outside of Leonard, Green and Ginobili. While Simmons and Anderson both have promise, they're still just prospects that haven't proven anything at the NBA level (Simmons especially). While a veteran like Copeland, Butler or Wright might seem like a progress stopper (and in many ways they would be) they're actually a very important insurance policy. The great thing about vets like that too is they're often pretty content to just be in a winning locker room. While they'd love to play, if they get beat out by a young gun they're often more willing to accept the benching because they know their career is winding down and this is the last hoorah.

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I understand that completely and I agree that it makes sense to go after a vet as an insurance policy. I was referring to the hypothetical Copeland vs. Anderson/Simmons scenario. Copeland looked like garbage last year.

If the Spurs really are interested in Copeland, they're starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

Still, the Spurs could sign two guys from the Y and still have their minimum signings grade out as an A+. They can't all be as good as David West.

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Originally Posted by Seventyniner

If the Spurs really are interested in Copeland, they're starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

Still, the Spurs could sign two guys from the Y and still have their minimum signings grade out as an A+. They can't all be as good as David West.

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It is not a question of "if", they already made an offer to Copeland. Spurs are indeed scraping the bottom of the barrel.

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Originally Posted by cd98

Bucks are doing a good job assembling a competitive team. They may be a surprise no. 2 seed in the East.

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Yeah there oly problem last year was scoring
Theyll get that in the post from Monroe and on the wing when Jabari Parker returns
Kidds actually a better coach than I ever wanted to give him credit for as well
MCW and Giannis cant shoot for shit the team plays D and theyre definitely a team on the uptick
I agree on being a Cavs casualty tho
Poor fellas

The guy is a Euro player in disguise!

He has zero lift. Has an extremely awkward post game.

Has a very good shooting touch.

He also may have a tainted reputation since most of his videos are about he being stabbed!

He'd be another interesting signing for sure.

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Originally Posted by ceperez

It is not a question of "if", they already made an offer to Copeland.

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Actually, there's a non-Woj tweet, clearly sourced from the player's agent, that says that Copeland has an offer from the Spurs.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Fans and media buy into Knicks/Lakers hype every year regarding their "young players with upside", tbh..Landry Fields, Channing Frye, Chris Copeland and a long list of Knicks from the past 5-7 years were hyped as players with "upside" out of false hope..further, players like Iman Shumpert, Gallinari, Jeremy Lin and others were hyped as future stars because they played for the Knicks:lol..

Same with the Lakers, see: Earl Clark, Ramon Sessions, Ed Davis, and now Randle/Clarkson..

It's essentially the equivalent of Jonathon Simmons receiving media hype and attention if the Spurs were a big market team like the Knicks or Lakers, tbh..

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A number of those players had their moments and weren't complete shit, tbh.

Rasual butler ftw

lol considering a player that got stabbed...? get the hell out of here with that garbage... HE GOT STABBED.

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lol considering a player that got stabbed...? get the hell out of here with that garbage... HE GOT STABBED.

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We didn't consider it, the Spurs are the ones who made the offer. We are just commenting on the possibility.

Rather have Bonner, tbh, imo, fwiw.

Guaranteed offer is a pretty broad term in the rumor mill. Trying to remember last time Spurs picked up a thirty year old in season bar fly with no corporate knowledge.

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Originally Posted by Strategic

Guaranteed offer is a pretty broad term in the rumor mill. Trying to remember last time Spurs picked up a thirty year old in season bar fly with no corporate knowledge.

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Udoka?

I watched him a bit on the Knicks, kind of liked him. Heard he was underwelming on the Pacers but cool with the Spurs potientially signing him.

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Originally Posted by cd98

Udoka?

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Udoka does the stabbing. Preferably with a broken chair leg, an opponent's severed limb, or the tensile tip of his own knife hand.

I'm going to be a little bummed if Copeland is the choice. I know it's just the 14th man...but if we're going to gamble on an established veteran shooter I really want Rasual Butler. Hes got great character and hes proven in the past to be a solid shooter. I don't know how much he has left in the tank - but he was very good last year.

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Rasual butler ftw

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haven't seen him play in a long time but i'm down to sign him. i've liked him for awhile.

An added bonus with Rasual Butler might be his established chemistry with David West. They were teammates for years in New Orleans and Oklahoma City and used to play off each other very well.

If Butler joins the team hes obviously an option off the bench and not the starting unit. It'd be nice to import some established chemistry rather than having to rebuild it completely from scratch.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

SG/SF positions have always had the same responsibilities in the Spurs' system w/ their size dictating the defensive responsibilities. Last year Manu and Belinelli backed up Leonard and they are "SGs" -- same will apply w/ winner of Simmons/Anderson competition since Beli is gone now.

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I don't know why this is so hard for others to grasp.

Man, I remember this guy from the Fort Worth Flyers. The guarantee offer is surprising if true. I could easily see the Spurs bringing him in for a workout to see if he can get his form back but not much more.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

SG/SF positions have always had the same responsibilities in the Spurs' system w/ their size dictating the defensive responsibilities. Last year Manu and Belinelli backed up Leonard and they are "SGs" -- same will apply w/ winner of Simmons/Anderson competition since Beli is gone now.

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The problem with that is the wear and tear your SGs go through. The system doesn't matter if your smaller sg is constantly getting pushed around by a sf. Kawhi needs another big body to bash with. Just like we NEEDED a center even though he won't play Much. Got to have a contingency plan for the bigger sfs.

He stinks, wasnt he butchered in a club a couple months ago?

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Originally Posted by spurs10

Perhaps he has made a commitment to turn his life around and the Spurs are considering giving him a chance. 42% from the 3 is doing something right. We have an embarrassment of riches at the 4, so the Spurs are probably asking him to get in shape and see if he can spell Kawhi for some minutes.

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"Commitment to turn his life around"?? He and his wife got attacked in a NY club, he was the victim.

(1) He's played Euro ball most of his career.
(2) He's not that athletic but he appears to be a feisty competitor not afraid to bang it down low.
(3) He's got a high percentage from the 3point line and has a quick release.
(4) Spurs made the offer so obviously they think it can work out.
(5) Likely a veteran minimum deal, he was a rookie at 28 years old so his deal with 3 years in the league would mean $1m per.

It could be a "guaranteed offer" to training camp, for all we know.

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He was pretty solid in his first two seasons. Looks like he had a really underwhelming season last year, though.

Again, seems the Spurs are intent on going the "Young guys with upside" route rather than chasing 35+ year-old veterans.

edit: err, scratch that. He's not "old", but he is 31. I just remember him entering the league a few years ago, so I assumed he was relatively young.

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was a rookie at 29. Pretty productive for the Knicks but struggled despite receiving the same amount of minutes. If the Spurs are looking for a stretch four, not as solid a choice as Matt Bonner. At least Bonner has the bulk to bang around with other bigs; Copeland still seems a bit too wiry.

please no.

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Originally Posted by Raven

please no.

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Originally Posted by ceperez

We didn't consider it, the Spurs are the ones who made the offer. We are just commenting on the possibility.

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oh that changes everything! Sign him

So this is why we haven't signed Rocket yet. Hmmmm. I think I'd prefer Bonner's system familiarity given that we're already bringing in a bunch of new players. But I'm also confident the FO knows what they're doing.

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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle

So this is why we haven't signed Rocket yet. Hmmmm. I think I'd prefer Bonner's system familiarity given that we're already bringing in a bunch of new players. But I'm also confident the FO knows what they're doing.

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Lots of folks here with their fingers crossed, hoping that Chris Copeland doesn't pick the Spurs!

The FO loves Euro players who can make the 3 (when open). Copeland played most of his career in Europe (mostly bush leagues). Just watching him tells you that his talent level is below average. If you think Kyle Anderson is slow, Copeland is not only slow but extremely awkward and uncoordinated. Look at his post-up moves... bunch of below the rip layups against undersized guards.

Definitely will fail anybody's eye test....

Red Rocket is definitely gone, therefore Spurs need a favorite whipping boy.

conclusion.... hope he signs with the Spurs.

Like Jordan Hill Copeland belongs into the All Jail-look team ...

and no thanks.

Chucker and can't defend... Na