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A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
yall laughed at me a year ago but he is doing everything that he needs to be doing. He is a complete change of pace to give everything a different look which is exactly what we need for the commander of the bench unit.
People keep complaining about his defense but if you look at the stats he is actually a well above average defender in the nNBA. He might be slow but he uses his length extremely effectively.
People hate on his jumpshot but that will come around. I don't think its a fluke that he shot damn well in college.
So what are your reasons to continue hating on our future?
kawhi-Lamarcus-Kyle Anderson big 3 of the future.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
I think dude is too slow for the NBA game, unless he does get a reliable jumper there is no way IMO. Manu was quick in his prime and could shoot the ball etc., Slo Mo is just so damn slow and his J is unreliable, don't see him amounting to much personally but that is just my opinion.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Slomo may be Diaws replacement, but he damn sure aint Manu's.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
He fucking sucks. Nothing he does will translate to the NBA floor.... if he is in our rotation we're fucked. Can't shoot, cant guard, can't create.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Obv. Op didn't pay his respects to the temple of Simmons.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Pretty sure this is a troll post but I took the bait.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
TrainOfThought5
Slomo may be Diaws replacement, but he damn sure aint Manu's.
It's startling to ponder how slow he'd be if he added the weight necessary to do all the things Boris does.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
lol
no, seriously I'm laughing loudly and I'm a manu hater
the fact that people can come to conclusions like this is why we have Obama as president
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Too slow to be Manu ver 2 and too soft to be Bobo ver 2
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
His game isn't really like Diaw's. Why do people keep throwing around that comparison?
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Originally Posted by
TimDunkem
His game isn't really like Diaw's. Why do people keep throwing around that comparison?
Some analyst said it when he was drafted and it stuck. It's retarded.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Probably shouldn't start a thread with "y'all laughed at me about a year ago", considering Anderson hasn't been impressive in SL, tbh:lol..
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
He's terrible. You'll hemorrhage points trying to put this guy on opposing SFs, let alone SGs.
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Originally Posted by
vander
The fact that people can come to conclusions like this is why we have Obama as president
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
There is no replacement for Emanuel Ginobili.
EVER
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
SpurAddict561
There is no replacement for Emanuel Ginobili.
EVER
Damn straight. He might replace him in the lineup but replace his talent? No. That'd be a tall order for even Kawhi.
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Originally Posted by
skulls138
Damn straight. He might replace him in the lineup but replace his talent? No. That'd be a tall order for even Kawhi.
Manu really only had a couple of years as an all star level NBA player, unfortunately. He came in the league older and slowed down quickly. Kawhi, if he remains injury free, will have a much better NBA career than Manu.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
I'm as big an Anderson fan as most here. But I don't believe he is a big 3 quality. He is a rotational guy. Ands that is important on a championship team. But he is not a big 3. He is not the cog, he is apart of the cog.
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Originally Posted by
steeledl
He fucking sucks. Nothing he does will translate to the NBA floor.... if he is in our rotation we're fucked. Can't shoot, cant guard, can't create.
You're an idiot. His rebounding is way above abstracted for the 3 spot. And it does translate into an NBA skill.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
I'm rooting for Kyle, but it's not really clear at this point that he'll have a long and fruitful NBA career... much less a spot in Springfield, MA...
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Originally Posted by
dabom
Pitty post
I pity this "pitty" post
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Originally Posted by
Cklbmk
He is a complete change of pace
You got that right
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
The jury is still out on him. Still too young. Even MAnu himself did not join the spurs until he was already a veteran player abroad and there is no replacing generational talents. Kyle is going to be his own name, by that I mean his slow mo style is unique and it is up to him to show us what he can do with his talent. Names are made in the postseason. We will see. I believe though that he will continue to improve. He is so young after all.
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Originally Posted by
palangi
You're an idiot. His rebounding is way above abstracted for the 3 spot. And it does translate into an NBA skill.
We have Tim Duncan, David West, LMA, Diaw, Leonard.... yeah, i dont think we need a rotation wing player whos only marketable skill is being above average at rebounding.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
He's very slow, which normally wouldn't be a problem with his other nice skills, but today's NBA looks slightly faster than before. Maybe it's just me. His long wingspan means he can disrupt passing lanes, shots at the rim, and grab boards, but at least good side-to-side speed and explosiveness is needed defensively against other 3's in the NBA, and he lacks that. Guess he can be the next 6th man if he's a small ball 4, but I don't see him earning any awards as a normal 3 off the bench. Would love for him to succeed in whatever role he's thrown into, because he's a Spur when it comes to attitude and personality. Would be funny to see him in an HEB commercial, so I'm hoping he becomes something so that can happen.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
SpurAddict561
There is no replacement for Emanuel Ginobili.
EVER
Amen
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Dude can't even create in the summer league. Simmons has been creating much better looks for his teammates. He's been a huge ballstopper for the team tbh.
His pts are all inflated by fts and a few weren't by anything he did (end of game and 1 other iirc). Unlikely that that will continue in the NBA.
Having him on the floor is another liability when switches on defense are made. He'll have to be a huge plus on offense to overcome this negative.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
I think by year 4 he'll be a competent rotation player. I'm hoping his smarts can compensate for his slows. There is precedent for this. We shall see.
Whatever you think though, it's way too early to write him off.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Tiago Splitter would crush KA 1-on-1 imho. I can see Tiago locking KA down.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
SpurAddict561
There is no replacement for Emanuel Ginobili.
EVER
Totally agree - he is one of a kind.
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Originally Posted by
Nathan89
Tiago Splitter would crush KA 1-on-1 imho. I can see Tiago locking KA down.
I don't see this as a joke, btw.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
His feet may be slow but his hands quick. I saw him on a steal and his hands looked quick. If he also has good hand eye coordination that makes up for alot of slowness in that he gets his hand on the ball and not the arm. He needs the 3 point shot though.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
steeledl
Manu really only had a couple of years as an all star level NBA player, unfortunately. He came in the league older and slowed down quickly. Kawhi, if he remains injury free, will have a much better NBA career than Manu.
He could have a better career but not a much better career. That's downright impossible. If Kawhi does have a better career it would be because of length of career not in comparing peak years. At his best Manu can be up there with the best of all time.
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Originally Posted by
skulls138
He could have a better career but not a much better career. That's downright impossible. If Kawhi does have a better career it would be because of length of career not in comparing peak years. At his best Manu can be up there with the best of all time.
I don't think Manu's peak was close to best all time... so we disagree there. Obviously Kawhi probably wont get as many rings as Manu because he didn't play with peak Duncan and peak Parker but if he continues to improve I think he will have a better career and a similar peak.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Kyle leads the spurs sl team in scoring and people still find every negative thing to say about his game. He scores 8 points he's a total waste of human life to yall. :lol
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
For a 21 year old, he's got a lot of moves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfbEDZYI44E[/QUOTE]
He works within his physical limitations. What he does not have though is the kind of work ethic that Larry Bird had. Simmons with a lot more athleticism works his butt out. KA should learn a few things from his team mate.
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Originally Posted by
Sean Cagney
I think dude is too slow for the NBA game, unless he does get a reliable jumper there is no way IMO. Manu was quick in his prime and could shoot the ball etc., Slo Mo is just so damn slow and his J is unreliable, don't see him amounting to much personally but that is just my opinion.
well explain how Andre Miller has been in the league for 15 years. And even having a 50 pt game well past his prime. Paul pierce isn't exactly barbosa. Never has been. Being quick doesn't mean "good". One of the fastest backcourts in college bball 20 years ago was khalid reeves and damon stoudamire. Tyus edney was quick as a mouse. Quickness does't translate to being geat in the nba
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Originally Posted by
james evans
well explain how Andre Miller has been in the league for 15 years. And even having a 50 pt game well past his prime
Miller is a fucking Cheetah compared to Anderson.
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Originally Posted by
cantthinkofanything
Miller is a fucking Cheetah compared to Anderson.
LOL if you say so
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Manu's a HOF, Kyle Anderson not so much
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
james evans
well explain how Andre Miller has been in the league for 15 years. And even having a 50 pt game well past his prime. Paul pierce isn't exactly barbosa. Never has been. Being quick doesn't mean "good". One of the fastest backcourts in college bball 20 years ago was khalid reeves and damon stoudamire. Tyus edney was quick as a mouse. Quickness does't translate to being geat in the nba
Paul Pierce was an All Star for years man, dude can shoot as well unlike Anderson right now. Are you comparing him to these two or saying he will be close to that level? I know being quick does not mean good, but if your J is not great and you are very slow then? Thats two negatives. Damon Stoudamire was good in the NBA BTW., true quick doesn't always equate but in cases like Parker and Iverson it literally can make your career because of the speed to the bucket.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
it looks like a slower Bodiroga (if that's possible)
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Slomo needs to find a way to contribute enough as a consistent roll player before people start comparing him to current Spurs.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
cantthinkofanything
Miller is a fucking Cheetah compared to Anderson.
:lol:lol:lol laughably true.
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Originally Posted by
SpurAddict561
There is no replacement for Emanuel Ginobili.
EVER
There are a lot of people here that thought LMA would replace Duncan which is also quite laughable. However, the amount of reading comprehension fail in this thread is also quite hilarious. The thread title doesn't read "replacing Ginobili". It reads "Ginobili's replacement". I'm pretty sure someone is going to have to occupy the backup pg/sg when Ginobili retires. But, KA will NOT be that guy.
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Originally Posted by
mbass
Totally agree - he is one of a kind.
just like david robinson tell Duncan came along to huh
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
The moves Anderson is using in the SL would translate to the NBA. He just needs to get better at them. He's scoring by staying relatively still and just sort of weaving through his defender. He's like ivy growing over a building. It's not going to be a matter of speed. Combine that with the fact that Anderson taking a Dirk shot is pretty much unblockable, and you have a guy who can score much better one-on-one than most here realize. However I don't see him drawing the help he'll need to be a great play-maker. He's only going to be able to do so much to break down the defense, but he'll be able to get his shot pretty much whenever he wants to.
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
The moves Anderson is using in the SL would translate to the NBA. He just needs to get better at them. He's scoring by staying relatively still and just sort of weaving through his defender. He's like ivy growing over a building. It's not going to be a matter of speed. Combine that with the fact that Anderson taking a Dirk shot is pretty much unblockable, and you have a guy who can score much better one-on-one than most here realize. However I don't see him drawing the help he'll need to be a great play-maker. He's only going to be able to do so much to break down the defense, but he'll be able to get his shot pretty much whenever he wants to.
Isn't the 2nd shot in this a Dirk shot?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfbEDZYI44E[/QUOTE]
Spurs still need to figure out exactly how to use his talent.
The most effective time I've seen him is against the Blazers where he repeatedly posted up a smaller guards. He can score a bunch if the opponents insist on countering with two guard lineups.
To make the regular Spurs rotation though, he'll need to be more deadly from the 3 point line.
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Originally Posted by
Gordy58
Kyle leads the spurs sl team in scoring and people still find every negative thing to say about his game. He scores 8 points he's a total waste of human life to yall. :lol
Summer league is summer league. It holds about as much value as Presidential campaign promises. They're both enticing and easy to get wrapped up in the excitement. And both make for an exciting lead up to November. But by the time it's January you realize "Oh my God - were we really excited about this idiot?"
SL is all good and well, and I'm glad Kyle has played well. But he also looked really solid in Austin last year too. Unfortunately, that didn't exactly translate when he actually played real NBA games and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Yes - I've been impressed with his rebounding. But above average rebounding for his position is not enough to entice me to play a guy that is also a bad shooter, terrible defender, and supremely overrated passer at this juncture.
At this point I think we need to hope that hes on the Cory Joseph schedule. Back to Austin - back to the drawing board. Go into year 3 as a fringe rotation guy and then have a breakout Year 4. Hopefully by the time hes ready for his second contract hes also ready for regular NBA minutes. Because right now hes not even close.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
steeledl
I don't think Manu's peak was close to best all time... so we disagree there. Obviously Kawhi probably wont get as many rings as Manu because he didn't play with peak Duncan and peak Parker but if he continues to improve I think he will have a better career and a similar peak.
Well, you also think Porker had a better career than Manu, even with Gino being up there with Jordan Bird and Magic...
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Originally Posted by
Mikeanaro
Well, you also think Porker had a better career than Manu, even with Gino being up there with Jordan Bird and Magic...
Retarded much?
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steeledl
Retarded much?
I think you are, seriously.
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Originally Posted by
Darkwaters
Summer league is summer league. It holds about as much value as Presidential campaign promises. They're both enticing and easy to get wrapped up in the excitement. And both make for an exciting lead up to November. But by the time it's January you realize "Oh my God - were we really excited about this idiot?"
SL is all good and well, and I'm glad Kyle has played well. But he also looked really solid in Austin last year too. Unfortunately, that didn't exactly translate when he actually played real NBA games and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Yes - I've been impressed with his rebounding. But above average rebounding for his position is not enough to entice me to play a guy that is also a bad shooter, terrible defender, and supremely overrated passer at this juncture.
At this point I think we need to hope that hes on the Cory Joseph schedule. Back to Austin - back to the drawing board. Go into year 3 as a fringe rotation guy and then have a breakout Year 4. Hopefully by the time hes ready for his second contract hes also ready for regular NBA minutes. Because right now hes not even close.
Ah... that's the problem with a high first round draft pick, they are too young and by the time their game is good enough to be in the playoff rotation, they've spent 3-4 years developing under a rookie contract.
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Originally Posted by
ceperez
Ah... that's the problem with a high first round draft pick, they are too young and by the time their game is good enough to be in the playoff rotation, they've spent 3-4 years developing under a rookie contract.
But if they are good enough to retain you have first dibs and matchup rights. It is possible though that you won't be able to afford him by then like Cojo, but if you are in that situation it is hopefully because you have your $ committed to better talent. Spurs are on schedule to loose some BiG caliber talent to retirement within a couple of years anyways. You do need to have at least a couple of project young guys for when that happens.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
Darkwaters
Summer league is summer league. It holds about as much value as Presidential campaign promises. They're both enticing and easy to get wrapped up in the excitement. And both make for an exciting lead up to November. But by the time it's January you realize "Oh my God - were we really excited about this idiot?"
SL is all good and well, and I'm glad Kyle has played well. But he also looked really solid in Austin last year too. Unfortunately, that didn't exactly translate when he actually played real NBA games and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Yes - I've been impressed with his rebounding. But above average rebounding for his position is not enough to entice me to play a guy that is also a bad shooter, terrible defender, and supremely overrated passer at this juncture.
At this point I think we need to hope that hes on the Cory Joseph schedule. Back to Austin - back to the drawing board. Go into year 3 as a fringe rotation guy and then have a breakout Year 4. Hopefully by the time hes ready for his second contract hes also ready for regular NBA minutes. Because right now hes not even close.
I don't put too much stock in his NBA games as showing his potential. Unfortunately he is a player that is used to handling the ball, which he probably did in Austin, but now has to do with waiting his turn like Kawhi did. Unlike Kawhi KA doesn't have a ready made skill that can contribute instantly.
I also think SL is not a good place to judge his passing. I don't know how good he was in Austin but passing takes familiarity which there isn't in SL
Having said all that, I may agree w/you on your last paragraph especially with Simmons success.
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Originally Posted by
TimDunkem
His game isn't really like Diaw's. Why do people keep throwing around that comparison?
They're both 6'8" 6'9" guys who can pass off the dribble. Not too many of those. Most bigs can only pass in from the high post or out of the low post.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
A year later and you are still wrong
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
I dunno if this is a troll post or not (I don't give a shit if it's tbh), but I've always felt that Kyle's best position for San Antonio would be as a 2nd unit leader, just like Manu. I don't think he will ever be as good as Manu, but I do believe that he has a place on this team going forward.
Kyle Anderson will never be able to guard starting SFs or PFs. Too slow to play in the perimeter, too skinny to deal with opposite starting PFs. If he plays off the bench, it doesn't matter if the plays either forward position, because he will be guarding bench players.
He is much better with the ball on his hands, so playing him off the ball pretty much take his best strength.
Playing him "a la Manu" simply makes sense.
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Originally Posted by
TXstbobcat
Slomo needs to find a way to contribute enough as a consistent roll player before people start comparing him to current Spurs.
See I agree there, some need to slow down on Slo Mo comparing him to Manu and whoever said Pierce as well.
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Originally Posted by
skulls138
He could have a better career but not a much better career. That's downright impossible. If Kawhi does have a better career it would be because of length of career not in comparing peak years. At his best Manu can be up there with the best of all time.
Woah, huge Manu fan but slown down on near the best of all time or up there. He was an all star but nowhere near a top 25 player all time even at his peak.
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Originally Posted by
ceperez
Ah... that's the problem with a high first round draft pick, they are too young and by the time their game is good enough to be in the playoff rotation, they've spent 3-4 years developing under a rookie contract.
Surely you're not implying hes a high 1st round pick? He was number 30. Hes very fortunate he didn't slip into the second - because it very nearly happened!
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
:lol I can see the comparison in some ways... but he will never be as quick and squirmy as Manu. However, he has an quirky style and awkward shot release that, if he develops consistency, he could turn into some solid moves and shots that are hard to defend. That lean-in floater could be solid and his fadeaway looks promising. He needs to improve on passing, rebounding and defense if he wants to even begin to be a solid contributer to the team.
*bookmark this thread for when KA is sixth man and Simmons is playing in Europe.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
A year later and I think Kyle Anderson is even slower and will never be Manu's replacement.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Chinook
Combine that with the fact that Anderson taking a Dirk shot is pretty much unblockable
You don't need to block it because he clanks a good portion off the front of the rim. Unless his shot gets significantly better he's going to be a really inefficient 1-on-1 player that doesn't create anything for his teammates.
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Originally Posted by
skulls138
I don't put too much stock in his NBA games as showing his potential. Unfortunately he is a player that is used to handling the ball, which he probably did in Austin, but now has to do with waiting his turn like Kawhi did. Unlike Kawhi KA doesn't have a ready made skill that can contribute instantly.
I also think SL is not a good place to judge his passing. I don't know how good he was in Austin but passing takes familiarity which there isn't in SL
Having said all that, I may agree w/you on your last paragraph especially with Simmons success.
Unfortunately the goal is to be able to play in the NBA eventually. When you spend time at that level and look clearly overmatched then yea, I think it matters. He doesn't need to dominate by any means. He just needs to look like he belongs and contribute to the team effort. We just haven't seen that except in a few isolated spurts so far. Hopefully with time those spurts become more consistent and eventually they're the rule and not the exception. It all takes time.
He needs to identify areas in his game that he can improve. But not just that, he needs to focus on parts of his game that will need to be become core competencies to exist at the NBA level. It reminds me of the Tim Duncan summer league/Greg Ostertag story (mythology). As the legend goes, Pop told Duncan to play the game favoring his left hand throughout in order help him develop that part of his game. Tim could have dominated Greg Ostertag with his right hand, but it was more important to grow with his left. Even if that story is fiction, it still exemplifies what Kyle Anderson will need to do. Go to Austin and don't focus on what will work in Austin - focus on what will work in San Antonio.
Consider also the case study of Danny Green. Cut by the Cavs. Signed by the Spurs at the start of the 2010 season and cut six days later. When he was released they told him what he needed to improve to be viable in the NBA. So Danny improved those traits and eventually got called back to the Spurs where he continued to develop those traits. The lockout happened. Danny went to Ljubljana and continued to improve on those traits. Danny Green is hardly a complete player. He has huge holes in his game. But hes making awesome money and is one of the very best at his role in the world.
Kyle needs to really talk with the Spurs and determine what path will make him most effective. What skills will be most important. And then go get as good at those things as possible.
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100%duncan
A year later and you are still wrong
:lol
Depends on how you look at it. He'll never be as good as Manu, but he does look to be in line to replace Manu in the lineup.
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
:lol
Depends on how you look at it. He'll never be as good as Manu, but he does look to be in line to replace Manu in the lineup.
People used to say that about De Colo and then Hanga, tbh.
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exstatic
They're both 6'8" 6'9" guys who can pass off the dribble. Not too many of those. Most bigs can only pass in from the high post or out of the low post.
Two similarities does not mean that they have the same game. People here are expecting a Diaw 2.0 when they're almost completely different players.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
KA is so smooth at his age. and manu is still all over the place sometimes.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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SpurPadre
People used to say that about De Colo and then Hanga, tbh.
Pretty big difference, seeing as neither were first-rounders and Manu wasn't on the doorstep of retirement when they were under contract.
And Hanga has always sucked.
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Chinook
Pretty big difference, seeing as neither were first-rounders and Manu wasn't on the doorstep of retirement when they were under contract.
And Hanga has always sucked.
But scouts and fans did describe them as heir apparents to Manu and Anderson was a reach when he was picked. Most mock drafts had him going in the 2nd round.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
To me, I don't see a marked improvement in his game from what he flashed in college. He knows the system better, but I don't see a refined jumper or improved dribble drive. He's comfortable in the system and confident is the skills he already possessed when coming into the league, but he'll need to continue developing to make an impact on the next level. time is on his side though. They probably won't need him for another year.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
AFBlue
To me, I don't see a marked improvement in his game from what he flashed in college. He knows the system better, but I don't see a refined jumper or improved dribble drive. He's comfortable in the system and confident is the skills he already possessed when coming into the league, but he'll need to continue developing to make an impact on the next level. time is on his side though. They probably won't need him for another year.
He's learning to score even with contact. That's the main difference.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
SpurPadre
But scouts and fans did describe them as heir apparents to Manu and Anderson was a reach when he was picked. Most mock drafts had him going in the 2nd round.
Most mocks had him going between 10 and 18. WTF is this 2nd round shit.
Everyone expected Phoenix would take him if he made it that far.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
SpurPadre
But scouts and fans did describe them as heir apparents to Manu and Anderson was a reach when he was picked. Most mock drafts had him going in the 2nd round.
That second statement is just flat wrong. Most mock drafts had Anderson anywhere from 15-25 up to draft night. He was one of the most skilled players in the entire draft.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
SpurPadre
But scouts and fans did describe them as heir apparents to Manu and Anderson was a reach when he was picked. Most mock drafts had him going in the 2nd round.
Anderson was considered a late-lottery picks. His production and unique skill-set were considered very intriguing. I don't think anyone could say 30 was a reach before the draft. Maybe after, seeing as there were still some interesting players on the board at 30 (though none were even as successful as Kyle last year, I don't believe).
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
:lol
Depends on how you look at it. He'll never be as good as Manu, but he does look to be in line to replace Manu in the lineup.
I mean I dont hate Kyle. I think he is pretty smart, especially against that Utah game, I liked that he kept attacking instead of shooting jumpers esp during the last 2 offensive plays. Although he missed them both, you know that the dude knows what's the right thing to do at certain situations. Unfortunately, I just dont see him even coming close to the 6th man manu, as he just doesnt have the athleticism, quickness, and scoring ability to do so. I would love for him to prove me wrong but if he was indeed the manu "replacement" then I think we would be screwed tbh.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
ceperez
He's learning to score even with contact. That's the main difference.
Meh. He's running up against smaller, less skilled defenders. He likely won't be as big of a mismatch on the next level in terms of size and smarts. I look at him a lot like I look at Evan Turner. Evan had a rough transition to the NBA because he didn't have the requisite athleticism and he couldn't outsmart his defenders either. I don't think Anderson will be bad, but he needs to develop a more reliable jumper and/or pick up his pace of play in general to be effective at the next level...imo tbqh.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
AFBlue
That second statement is just flat wrong. Most mock drafts had Anderson anywhere from 15-25 up to draft night. He was one of the most skilled players in the entire draft.
I've read several articles at the time that expressed surprise Anderson was picked in the first round, citing his lack of athleticism and speed.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
100%duncan
I mean I dont hate Kyle. I think he is pretty smart, especially against that Utah game, I liked that he kept attacking instead of shooting jumpers esp during the last 2 offensive plays. Although he missed them both, you know that the dude knows what's the right thing to do at certain situations. Unfortunately, I just dont see him even coming close to the 6th man manu, as he just doesnt have the athleticism, quickness, and scoring ability to do so. I would love for him to prove me wrong but if he was indeed the manu "replacement" then I think we would be screwed tbh.
Well someone has to be. When Tim retires, there's going to be someone starting at center next to LMA. That guy will be Tim's replacement. It doesn't matter than whomever they get will likely not be nearly as good a Prime Tim or even Old Tim. He'll be gone, and someone will replace him. It's the nature of the beast. Anderson is going to be much better on offense than people realize. Almost everything he's done in the d-league and summer league he'll be able to do in the pros. Dude's going to be a foul-drawing machine, and he'll eventually be able to score at will. He'll need time with the rest of the bench to get used to them, though. I don't think he'll be a sixth man unless he spells one of the bigs for the first substitution, but I definitely think he can be an elite second-unit floor general with time.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
Anderson was considered a late-lottery picks. His production and unique skill-set were considered very intriguing. I don't think anyone could say 30 was a reach before the draft. Maybe after, seeing as there were still some interesting players on the board at 30 (though none were even as successful as Kyle last year, I don't believe).
Agreed. I'm not hating on the pick and there's still time for him to be a decent contributor but he's got a long way to go.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
AFBlue
Meh. He's running up against smaller, less skilled defenders. He likely won't be as big of a mismatch on the next level in terms of size and smarts.
I think you overestimate the caliber of players who make up bench threes. I read somewhere that the average height of an NBA SF is under 6-6. I imagine that's even more pronounced for bench threes. Anderson will have the size advantage over most of his defenders. He has an elite BBIQ, and he can obviously get smarter. So I think he will totally be able to continue using his size and skill at the NBA level. He hasn't even maxed out his potential along those lines yet.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
Well someone has to be. When Tim retires, there's going to be someone starting at center next to LMA. That guy will be Tim's replacement. It doesn't matter than whomever they get will likely not be nearly as good a Prime Tim or even Old Tim. He'll be gone, and someone will replace him. It's the nature of the beast. Anderson is going to be much better on offense than people realize. Almost everything he's done in the d-league and summer league he'll be able to do in the pros. Dude's going to be a foul-drawing machine, and he'll eventually be able to score at will. He'll need time with the rest of the bench to get used to them, though. I don't think he'll be a sixth man unless he spells one of the bigs for the first substitution, but I definitely think he can be an elite second-unit floor general with time.
I know that that's why I said if he was indeed the replacement then we would be screwed, in other words, I won't get too excited. But yah I agree pretty much.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
:lol
Depends on how you look at it. He'll never be as good as Manu, but he does look to be in line to replace Manu in the lineup.
I don't see him as a PG/SG in any capacity in this league, not starting, no backup (outside the garbage time spells).
Don't take this the wrong way, it's just an opinion, but I think you're way off in your assessment of him. I think you're a solid poster, but when it comes to Kyle, I keep in shaking my head :lol
Obviously, it could simply be me being wrong about all this :toast
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
I think you overestimate the caliber of players who make up bench threes. I read somewhere that the average height of an NBA SF is under 6-6. I imagine that's even more pronounced for bench threes. Anderson will have the size advantage over most of his defenders. He has an elite BBIQ, and he can obviously get smarter. So I think he will totally be able to continue using his size and skill at the NBA level. He hasn't even maxed out his potential along those lines yet.
(shakes head again)
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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james evans
LOL if you say so
A...mother...fucking...bionic...cheetah
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Darkwaters
Unfortunately the goal is to be able to play in the NBA eventually. When you spend time at that level and look clearly overmatched then yea, I think it matters. He doesn't need to dominate by any means. He just needs to look like he belongs and contribute to the team effort. We just haven't seen that except in a few isolated spurts so far. Hopefully with time those spurts become more consistent and eventually they're the rule and not the exception. It all takes time.
He needs to identify areas in his game that he can improve. But not just that, he needs to focus on parts of his game that will need to be become core competencies to exist at the NBA level. It reminds me of the Tim Duncan summer league/Greg Ostertag story (mythology). As the legend goes, Pop told Duncan to play the game favoring his left hand throughout in order help him develop that part of his game. Tim could have dominated Greg Ostertag with his right hand, but it was more important to grow with his left. Even if that story is fiction, it still exemplifies what Kyle Anderson will need to do. Go to Austin and don't focus on what will work in Austin - focus on what will work in San Antonio.
Consider also the case study of Danny Green. Cut by the Cavs. Signed by the Spurs at the start of the 2010 season and cut six days later. When he was released they told him what he needed to improve to be viable in the NBA. So Danny improved those traits and eventually got called back to the Spurs where he continued to develop those traits. The lockout happened. Danny went to Ljubljana and continued to improve on those traits. Danny Green is hardly a complete player. He has huge holes in his game. But hes making awesome money and is one of the very best at his role in the world.
Kyle needs to really talk with the Spurs and determine what path will make him most effective. What skills will be most important. And then go get as good at those things as possible.
Maybe that's what he's doing. I don't remember him going to the line as much and he isn't passing as much. That could be Pop telling him to play as a bigger person instead of being a point guard. He still needs a reliable 3, he's not that big
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Kyle is a good player. He was the 5th best scorer and 4th best rebounder of the Utah Summer League (4 teams) and he's the 5th best scorer in the much more populous Vegas League (24 teams). He has been given the lead scoring role for the Vegas team. He is quite adept at getting to the line (sort of the Harden of the SL, in that department).
He's slow and he is not very quick as an on-ball defender, but he is a "basketball player" and he has a great feel for the game. He's a good asset to have.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
Darkwaters
Unfortunately the goal is to be able to play in the NBA eventually. When you spend time at that level and look clearly overmatched then yea, I think it matters. He doesn't need to dominate by any means. He just needs to look like he belongs and contribute to the team effort. We just haven't seen that except in a few isolated spurts so far. Hopefully with time those spurts become more consistent and eventually they're the rule and not the exception. It all takes time.
He needs to identify areas in his game that he can improve. But not just that, he needs to focus on parts of his game that will need to be become core competencies to exist at the NBA level. It reminds me of the Tim Duncan summer league/Greg Ostertag story (mythology). As the legend goes, Pop told Duncan to play the game favoring his left hand throughout in order help him develop that part of his game. Tim could have dominated Greg Ostertag with his right hand, but it was more important to grow with his left. Even if that story is fiction, it still exemplifies what Kyle Anderson will need to do. Go to Austin and don't focus on what will work in Austin - focus on what will work in San Antonio.
Consider also the case study of Danny Green. Cut by the Cavs. Signed by the Spurs at the start of the 2010 season and cut six days later. When he was released they told him what he needed to improve to be viable in the NBA. So Danny improved those traits and eventually got called back to the Spurs where he continued to develop those traits. The lockout happened. Danny went to Ljubljana and continued to improve on those traits. Danny Green is hardly a complete player. He has huge holes in his game. But hes making awesome money and is one of the very best at his role in the world.
Kyle needs to really talk with the Spurs and determine what path will make him most effective. What skills will be most important. And then go get as good at those things as possible.
It seems that the path with him is long term. Consider this article http://www.48minutesofhell.com/kyle-...win-over-bucks
"One of the challenges for Anderson is finding a way to play off the ball and still be effective. So far in Summer League he’s served as a secondary ball handler, tasked with playmaking once the Spurs get in to their sets. Hammon acknowledged that Anderson’s role with the Spurs will be different during the season, but continued development of his decision making is key during Summer League.“We’re trying to groom him to eventually get to those bigger roles with the Spurs and it’s all part of the process for him and for us,” Hammon said."
That means that while he will understandably have a diminished role this season, the plan for him is long term. It actually confirms other reports we have read that the Spurs really, really like him. That is why they have given him the ball, told him to be aggressive and make stuff happen out there. He could flop in epic fashion and he did to start SL, being very deferential and passive. It turned out that he was more talented than any of the other guys out there and they needed him to be aggressive. The results speak for themselves. He's done better when asked to play that role. That is fine because long term, spotting up is not what the Spurs would like for him to do for the team. I think they hope over time Kyle can actually be more like we have seen in summer league, aggressive for himself and other guys. He is far from a finished product at 21 yrs old and the Spurs have the luxury of bringing him along slowly.
By the way how do I bookmark this thread, I would indeed like to bring it back up when KA is killing it out there. lol
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
I'd be more surprised if he flops out than if he turns out to be a great bench guy. I don't think he's too far from the latter, but needs to tighten his handles, work out his defense better, and fix his shot. He seems to me to be fixing the shot, that's why he's front-rimming a lot. But if freakin' Kawhi Leonard could turn into a reliable outside shooter, I don't doubt Kyle Anderson can, too. Doesn't mean he will, but he's a far cry from a Rondo or other perimeter player who is completely hopeless from range. He's not bad. He just needs to work on what Chip tells him to work on. With luck he can be semi-deadly from range. He'll be open a lot.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJPUD6EkGxo
Closest thing to Manu on the summer league team is this closer.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
:lol he is nowhere near the Manu package, probably nobody will ever be what Ginobili meant to the Spurs..At the highest of his highest ceiling, KA might scratch Diaw's..
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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spursistan
:lol he is nowhere near the Manu package, probably nobody will ever be what Ginobili meant to the Spurs..At the highest of his highest ceiling, KA might scratch Diaw's..
...bobcat years.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Manu replacement lol. Kyle won't even be good enough to be a poor man's Diaw.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
What Kyle lacks isn't necessarily speed but explosion. He has long strides to make up for his lack of speed but once he gets to the rim he has no explosion whatsoever thus he gets blocked or has his shot altered since he can't use his length against shot blockers. The only current rotation perimeter player that has a similar severe lack of explosiveness is Jared Dudley but he can surprisingly move his feet laterally to be a plus defender. Kyle basically has to become a knock down mid-range shooter to become a rotation player since he won't be living at the FT line in the NBA.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
the closest to Manu is Tyreke Evans with a really really upgraded jumpshot and 3-pointer
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
skulls138
Maybe that's what he's doing. I don't remember him going to the line as much and he isn't passing as much. That could be Pop telling him to play as a bigger person instead of being a point guard. He still needs a reliable 3, he's not that big
I'm sure thats what hes doing. So we just have to trust the process I think and know that the coaching staff will get him there. But it's foolish to think hes there already.
